biggs
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Post by biggs on Jul 18, 2018 6:38:47 GMT -7
Way beyond what I expected after watching the police videos, and that actually concerns me because a guy doesn’t just naturally hold his liquor and be able to function and cooperate as well as he did without...ummm...practice. The penalty is far too light. I don’t see how he holds credibility and it will be a distraction all year (a critical year with new coaching and a rookie QBOF), and in future years will always be in the background. Steve needs at least a year off. If he is going to continue as GM, hold him accountable in other ways than time off and a fine, remove some of his responsibilities and priveledges, and keep him away from media for a while. Let him focus on getting himself right, signing and drafting, and contracts. How was it way to light? He was subject to the league punishment and got the full penalty based on league DUI policy. If you suspend him for a year do you pay him per his contract? If you don't can he sue? Who's the "Temp" GM? Where do you get him? NFL Power-temps? What if he's good do you bring SK back? What about that new 5 year deal. Are you willing to eat millions for a new GM when you extended him for no reason a year to soon? Bidwil is in a box. If he fires him he has to give him a reasonable settlement on his contract. By reasonable whatever is in the contract for a buy out in the first year. Now he has to hire a new GM right before the season. Who? The real problem is Bidwil didn't need to extend him until next year. He took care of his buddy and now his buddy has leverage. It's no different with players. Leverage goes one way or the other. Once it's given up it's gone. Bidwil has to abide by league policy. That same league policy keeps SK's credibility with the players in tact. If he has to discipline a player the league has established the punishments in advance so their is no credibility issue. SK isn't punishing a player the league policy does it for him. You guys act like the NFL has never punished an owner, GM or other guys in management. They have under the NFL code of conduct policy. SK has been subjected to that and he will be subject to penalty under the law. That's the system in this country when you have an organization that has established a code of conduct and penalties for the code of conduct. If they fire him, I suspect SK will have lots of ammunition to go after the Cardinals for a very big settlement. Bidwil may be rich but eating a 5 year contract for a guy he has shown nothing but full confidence in probably isn't going to happen. When Michael Floyd was cut he was at the end of the season in his contract year. Imagine if he had resigned a new deal and they gave him a 20 million dollar bonus. I suspect he would have gone into rehab and gotten fined and suspended instead of cut. They were able to make an example of him without any cost to the organization.
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Post by Native Az on Jul 18, 2018 6:44:30 GMT -7
I wonder if MB put his bleary eyed former EOY and GM on permanent franchise probation? If the team president, I would. SK's next drug abuse incident (or poor job related decision) should result in an immediate pink slip. SK's job has to be on very thin ice now. I would bet money it is. Super reckless behavior that could be a pattern. I really feel bad for his wife and kids who probably have some stories to tell. Sad all around really.
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Post by aris on Jul 18, 2018 7:34:48 GMT -7
Some people here are very quiet now that the verdict is in. As I asserted earlier, he got pulled over for a reason and everything else remained to be seen. So easy to jump to conclusions and criticize others in the process. Meanwhile I'm having second thoughts as to what his status should be. When you're in a position of authority, credibility is everything. Still on the fence.
There is a lot of gossip and hyperbole here, Mel. The trick is to never take it all that seriously, and have a bit of fun while waiting for real football to start again.
Nobody gets shot for sitting on the fence, either.
I thought the videos of SK being followed and questioned were inconclusive, so he had me fooled on that count. Glad the BAC answered all the questions though.
I wonder how many other people he has fooled by not overtly showing high alcohol use - maybe even Mike B at times?
Disclaimer: always IMHO.
And this is a problem. People think they are such experts now that everything is being taped. He wasn't falling down or actually hitting the curb so they drew some pretty conclusions. Now those who thought the police were being overzealous want to throw the book at Keim. The hyperbole is hilarious. His extreme DUI did not surprise me one bit. I think the penalty and embarrassment is sufficient.
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Post by One_Heartbeat on Jul 18, 2018 8:32:22 GMT -7
Dang .19............. I fear he is a functioning alcoholic. More like confirmed, and what a major disappointment.
Not to split hairs, but functioning alcoholics are already confirmed. The only difference is that they are somehow able to get it together and perform at a reasonable level. Also they are awesome liars. With the possible exception of politicians, no one lies with more skill than an alcoholic.
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Post by monsterike on Jul 18, 2018 8:57:02 GMT -7
More like confirmed, and what a major disappointment.
Not to split hairs, but functioning alcoholics are already confirmed. The only difference is that they are somehow able to get it together and perform at a reasonable level. Also they are awesome liars. With the possible exception of politicians, no one lies with more skill than an alcoholic. Come on, you are short changing Lawyers and Professional Poker Players/Gamblers. LOL But seriously, Is it a wonder why BA and SK got along so well? One of the local stations that is not 98.7 sports talked about SK having family issues at home. I don't think SK should lose his job and hopefully this is the call he needs to fix his issue.
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Post by rooseveltcardsfan on Jul 18, 2018 9:02:44 GMT -7
I wonder if MB put his bleary eyed former EOY and GM on permanent franchise probation? If the team president, I would. SK's next drug abuse incident (or poor job related decision) should result in an immediate pink slip. SK's job has to be on very thin ice now. I would bet money it is. Super reckless behavior that could be a pattern. I really feel bad for his wife and kids who probably have some stories to tell. Sad all around really. That could be the next problem for SK. His family will be the most important road to recovery. I agree Native, if there were issues with his wife it could be the next shoe to drop. Time will tell.. really sad!
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Boomer
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Post by Boomer on Jul 18, 2018 9:51:29 GMT -7
“It was severe, swift and completely appropriate.
The team cannot be accused of having a double standard.”
From Cards Wire. Suck rocks crybabies looking to hang Bidwill and Keim.
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Post by aris on Jul 18, 2018 10:06:54 GMT -7
Can everyone drop being an expert on who qualifies as an alcoholic.
Can everyone drop the speculation he is having problems with his family.
Most of you who did this were also calling the cops overzealous and filling us with stories about your uncle being pulled over and getting falsely accused by Barney Fife.
Look at the evidence. He had a DUI 22 years ago as a young man. He had an extreme DUI on a July 4th holiday. For these two infractions he deserves scrutiny. Leave the rest of the garbage involving the man's family alone. He has kids and a wife. Be respectful to that.
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Post by knobby on Jul 18, 2018 10:37:40 GMT -7
More like confirmed, and what a major disappointment.
Not to split hairs, but functioning alcoholics are already confirmed. The only difference is that they are somehow able to get it together and perform at a reasonable level. Also they are awesome liars. With the possible exception of politicians, no one lies with more skill than an alcoholic. I was trying to indicate that 'fear' was too low on the scale of descriptive accuracy. Maybe I should have said actual rather than confirmed. Not important though. We are apparently all on the same side of the topic.
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Post by beaverhuntr on Jul 18, 2018 11:59:46 GMT -7
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Post by pajaro cerebro on Jul 18, 2018 15:16:20 GMT -7
^^^^ Actual OnStar footage of Keim on the early morning of July 4th.
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Post by Zaz on Jul 18, 2018 15:29:04 GMT -7
Im more concerned about everyone elses wives and kids with this boozebag on the roads You got 1 thing right: He got a DUI 22 years ago. And apparently didnt learn a damn thing. He used his freebie. That whole christian forgiveness thing. Yeah, he already spent that coupon. Hes now a grown adult man and he went and got an extreme DUI. Id bury him under the prison. Ive no empathy for him. Hes dangerous and the world is safer without him.
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Post by aris on Jul 18, 2018 16:19:44 GMT -7
Im more concerned about everyone elses wives and kids with this boozebag on the roads You got 1 thing right: He got a DUI 22 years ago. And apparently didnt learn a damn thing. He used his freebie. That whole christian forgiveness thing. Yeah, he already spent that coupon. Hes now a grown adult man and he went and got an extreme DUI. Id bury him under the prison. Ive no empathy for him. Hes dangerous and the world is safer without him. You and I agreed before hand that Keim was guilty based on all the circumstantial evidence while so many drank the koolaid and blamed the police. But I'm for forgiveness for a guy who has paid the price and seems very contrite.
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Post by 70'sCardFan on Jul 18, 2018 16:36:24 GMT -7
Im more concerned about everyone elses wives and kids with this boozebag on the roads You got 1 thing right: He got a DUI 22 years ago. And apparently didnt learn a damn thing. He used his freebie. That whole christian forgiveness thing. Yeah, he already spent that coupon. Hes now a grown adult man and he went and got an extreme DUI. Id bury him under the prison. Ive no empathy for him. Hes dangerous and the world is safer without him. Zaz, I guess it must be wonderful to live in your perfect world where you never made a mistake. Never did anything that it if you got caught would have been embarrassment for you. Maybe you should have your own section on this MB and tell us how you do it.
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Post by Zaz on Jul 18, 2018 16:53:55 GMT -7
Im more concerned about everyone elses wives and kids with this boozebag on the roads You got 1 thing right: He got a DUI 22 years ago. And apparently didnt learn a damn thing. He used his freebie. That whole christian forgiveness thing. Yeah, he already spent that coupon. Hes now a grown adult man and he went and got an extreme DUI. Id bury him under the prison. Ive no empathy for him. Hes dangerous and the world is safer without him. Zaz, I guess it must be wonderful to live in your perfect world where you never made a mistake. Never did anything that it if you got caught would have been embarrassment for you. Maybe you should have your own section on this MB and tell us how you do it. Ive made lots of mistakes Difference is I dont make them twice.
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