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Post by aris on Jul 17, 2018 17:19:13 GMT -7
its under or the pds would have released it along with the videos to save face. that cop was enough to video himself framing someone because they tried to outsmapt him then called in a fellow officer and threw them under the buss by forcing them to make the arrest based on his false claims. the cop really followed a drunk driver for an hour before pulling them over? he watched a "drunk" wander around in a parking lot without staggering? that was his probable cause? along with the car and curb keim almost hit that somehow the camera missed even better than keim did? if after that video the pd had nay "yeah but" to add in their defense they would have. all pd released was "After reviewing the BWC footage, Mr. Keim stated that a person by the name of Sean McKenzie was their director of security and that he worked for the Arizona Cardinals. The officer will be completing a supplemental report to make that correction" basically we are requiring the officer to admit he lied. I heard the pd release keim 2-3 hours after his arrest, after the officer decided he was sober enough to drive home before seeing a judge. there is no allowance for that under law. his license would be auto suspended and he would be required to see a judge. he would not be allowed to drive home. you must have probable cause to pull someone over. He may have been suspicion of Steve evading being pulled over but he still needed a reason. And you state he followed him for an "hour" . Was this your conjecture or fact? The officer "lied" you say or he just misheard what Steve said about the security officer. Why did steve need to say this? Was he trying to procure a favor? Did you make up the stuff about him driving home? Steve will be guilty and then you come in and apologize to the police.Okay everyone who was making apologies to Steve and acting like they knew more then the police need now to come in and issue their apologies. I'm not afraid to say I knew I would be 100 correct in this issue. I am not at all surprised it was an extreme DUI. Fat Steve can hold his liquor well. Nobody got killed that night thankfully.
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Post by End Zone on Jul 17, 2018 17:28:28 GMT -7
Dang .19............. I fear he is a functioning alcoholic. Yep, FA. Truth will come out now.
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Post by Boomer on Jul 17, 2018 18:11:48 GMT -7
The man is 6'4 300 pounds. Meaning in order to blow a .15, he had plenty of opportunities while drinking those 10+ beers to stop and reevaluate his decision. fired fired & fired That was quick, Darren Urban already has the punishment reported: GM Steve Keim suspended five weeks, fined $200,000 Mike Bidwill is good person, truly. But hes also a spineless worm. Not firing Keim absolutely destroys the integrity of this team. A suspension for a GM? suspended from what? What a worthless "punishment". Man a few months ago he was on top of the world with the Rosen drafting...............now the bottom of the heap I dont know, guy can go and get an extreme DUI and walk away with a vacation and keep his multi million dollar job. Id say hes on top of the world. "5 week suspension begins immediately" in the dead of the offseason Wow. This might be the most worthless punishment ive ever heard of **on a sidenote, id like to see those meetings where he has to cut players at the end of camp. How would that feel getting fired by an alcoholic who kept his job? yeeeeeeesh listening to Burns and Gambo right now talking about how its bad timing, but dont worry, he'll be back for the regular season! They are more interested in maintaining the relationship for those monday interviews than they are condemning this boozebag. Gambo is going on a tirade defending Keim. "you dont fire people over this!" I didnt think I could hate gambo more For the love of all that is holy Zaz can you just shut the hell up? Step out from behind the pulpit, pop a Xanax or two and go outside and enjoy the sunshine. Your vitriol is just beyond absurd and completely annoying. I don't understand why you are even here and just need to block your posts.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Jul 17, 2018 18:26:39 GMT -7
wow! this is bad...hes gotta do rehab at the least and be subject to random tests for a while. first domino in this being a lousy season.
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Post by knobby on Jul 17, 2018 19:05:45 GMT -7
Dang .19............. I fear he is a functioning alcoholic. More like confirmed, and what a major disappointment.
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Post by knobby on Jul 17, 2018 19:32:49 GMT -7
I agree with those saying the punishment is way too light. That' s a pitty-pat on the wrist for someone in SK's position, not even close to a slap. A demotion, fine and probation would be more in order IMO - contract permitting. Will and can the league do anything that matters, or just sweep it aside?
Earlier I made a half joking conjecture that perhaps SK was unable to make big decisions without consulting with his good friends Bud (Weiser), Sam (Adams) and Jim (Beam). If, as it seems now, he is a confirmed alcoholic there could be more truth to that than fiction. In other words, over his head with being GM. OK with football on a daily basis, and maybe good at drafting with good input, but unable to make the hard decisions without liquid support. (I know, he was praised for making some good choices in the past - but was that luck or skill?) When Mike dumped BA (and I am convinced that is how it went down) and hired Wilks it seemed he had the force with him - but now with SK, I'm not so sure. First the early renewal of SK's contract, now this. He may be right, what with so much being new and unproven, but it seems a weak response. Maybe he will delay to keep from rocking the boat then make "adjustments" later... but as others have said, handling cases of player discipline will be very difficult for Keim now, and that reflects on MB and has to influence player attitudes as well. Add in DJ's holdout, and it becomes a head scratcher. Maybe Mike will appoint an interim acting GM - - - or take over himself temporarily. I really wish I could say this has been handled well. At the moment, I cannot.
All one fan's opinion, FWIW.
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Post by One_Heartbeat on Jul 17, 2018 19:35:08 GMT -7
That was quick, Darren Urban already has the punishment reported: GM Steve Keim suspended five weeks, fined $200,000 Mike Bidwill is good person, truly. But hes also a spineless worm. Not firing Keim absolutely destroys the integrity of this team. A suspension for a GM? suspended from what? What a worthless "punishment". I agree as well....if they don`t can him what gives them the right to can people like Floyd? i know floyd showed no remorse and all that...........But still..accountability..my ache`n rear That's why he should have been fired.... he simply can't credibly dish out any consequences when one of the players gets off track.
Welcome to Arizona, Wilks. Your boss gave you your first big distraction. Have a few beers to take the edge off while you digest that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 20:25:20 GMT -7
Some people here are very quiet now that the verdict is in. As I asserted earlier, he got pulled over for a reason and everything else remained to be seen. So easy to jump to conclusions and criticize others in the process. Meanwhile I'm having second thoughts as to what his status should be. When you're in a position of authority, credibility is everything. Still on the fence.
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Post by 70'sCardFan on Jul 17, 2018 21:08:23 GMT -7
What SK did was totally wrong and probably got off light, but some of you now think he’s some kind of fat boozer and alcoholic. It was the 4th of July. Millions of people all over the country were celebrating and having a good time. Is it possible he just over did it that night being a holiday? How many of you on this board tailgate before the game and drink alcohol too? If you do, does that make you an alcoholic. What would your BAC be? I have co-workers and customers who after work will go to the store and get a12 pack. Go home relax and drink a few. Does it make them alcoholics? I think it’s wrong when people take something like this and start twisting it into something mean and hateful about someone when they don’t know it to be fact. Just gossip. If it comes out later he is an alcoholic, then you can gloat and celebrate all you want, until then I think it’s disrespectful on your part. Worst thing of this is he got behind the wheel but out of it he got arrested, public humiliation for himself, suspended and fined. And no I don’t drink. Alcohol always tasted bitter to me so never aquired a taste for it. Just put that in so the ones who will bash me for this post will be thinking that I’m supporting SK because I drink.
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Post by Zaz on Jul 17, 2018 21:51:06 GMT -7
The man is 6'4 300 pounds. Meaning in order to blow a .15, he had plenty of opportunities while drinking those 10+ beers to stop and reevaluate his decision. fired fired & fired That was quick, Darren Urban already has the punishment reported: GM Steve Keim suspended five weeks, fined $200,000 Mike Bidwill is good person, truly. But hes also a spineless worm. Not firing Keim absolutely destroys the integrity of this team. A suspension for a GM? suspended from what? What a worthless "punishment". I dont know, guy can go and get an extreme DUI and walk away with a vacation and keep his multi million dollar job. Id say hes on top of the world. "5 week suspension begins immediately" in the dead of the offseason Wow. This might be the most worthless punishment ive ever heard of **on a sidenote, id like to see those meetings where he has to cut players at the end of camp. How would that feel getting fired by an alcoholic who kept his job? yeeeeeeesh listening to Burns and Gambo right now talking about how its bad timing, but dont worry, he'll be back for the regular season! They are more interested in maintaining the relationship for those monday interviews than they are condemning this boozebag. Gambo is going on a tirade defending Keim. "you dont fire people over this!" I didnt think I could hate gambo more For the love of all that is holy Zaz can you just shut the hell up? Step out from behind the pulpit, pop a Xanax or two and go outside and enjoy the sunshine. Your vitriol is just beyond absurd and completely annoying. I don't understand why you are even here and just need to block your posts. Keim has 2 DUIs. One of them extreme. Yeah, I am on my pulpit. Im better than him in every way. Im better than him and everyone who defends him. They are all lesser thans. I only ask you be a good person in this world and not put innocent lives in danger. If you cant manage that, I have no problem looking down on you. If I started attacking Darren Sharper (currently serving life for raping 10+ women) would you say "get off your pulpit! Nobodys perfect!". Yuck. Reexamine your values guy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 21:57:49 GMT -7
What SK did was totally wrong and probably got off light, but some of you now think he’s some kind of fat boozer and alcoholic. It was the 4th of July. Millions of people all over the country were celebrating and having a good time. Is it possible he just over did it that night being a holiday? How many of you on this board tailgate before the game and drink alcohol too? If you do, does that make you an alcoholic. What would your BAC be? I have co-workers and customers who after work will go to the store and get a12 pack. Go home relax and drink a few. Does it make them alcoholics? I think it’s wrong when people take something like this and start twisting it into something mean and hateful about someone when they don’t know it to be fact. Just gossip. If it comes out later he is an alcoholic, then you can gloat and celebrate all you want, until then I think it’s disrespectful on your part. Worst thing of this is he got behind the wheel but out of it he got arrested, public humiliation for himself, suspended and fined. And no I don’t drink. Alcohol always tasted bitter to me so never aquired a taste for it. Just put that in so the ones who will bash me for this post will be thinking that I’m supporting SK because I drink. Being weak on some level to alcohol to the point of impairment makes you an alcoholic. Driving makes you dangerous. Impairment can start at such a minute level that you are alert enough to think you are fine even though you're actually not. I see no reason for anyone to bash you for what you said. That would be unreasonable IMO. I just think you're over generalizing with your rationale.
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Post by Dry Heat on Jul 17, 2018 22:07:14 GMT -7
Way beyond what I expected after watching the police videos, and that actually concerns me because a guy doesn’t just naturally hold his liquor and be able to function and cooperate as well as he did without...ummm...practice.
The penalty is far too light. I don’t see how he holds credibility and it will be a distraction all year (a critical year with new coaching and a rookie QBOF), and in future years will always be in the background. Steve needs at least a year off. If he is going to continue as GM, hold him accountable in other ways than time off and a fine, remove some of his responsibilities and priveledges, and keep him away from media for a while. Let him focus on getting himself right, signing and drafting, and contracts.
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Post by knobby on Jul 17, 2018 22:55:14 GMT -7
Some people here are very quiet now that the verdict is in. As I asserted earlier, he got pulled over for a reason and everything else remained to be seen. So easy to jump to conclusions and criticize others in the process. Meanwhile I'm having second thoughts as to what his status should be. When you're in a position of authority, credibility is everything. Still on the fence.
There is a lot of gossip and hyperbole here, Mel. The trick is to never take it all that seriously, and have a bit of fun while waiting for real football to start again.
Nobody gets shot for sitting on the fence, either.
I thought the videos of SK being followed and questioned were inconclusive, so he had me fooled on that count. Glad the BAC answered all the questions though.
I wonder how many other people he has fooled by not overtly showing high alcohol use - maybe even Mike B at times?
Disclaimer: always IMHO.
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Post by knobby on Jul 17, 2018 23:14:03 GMT -7
What SK did was totally wrong and probably got off light, but some of you now think he’s some kind of fat boozer and alcoholic. It was the 4th of July. Millions of people all over the country were celebrating and having a good time. Is it possible he just over did it that night being a holiday? How many of you on this board tailgate before the game and drink alcohol too? If you do, does that make you an alcoholic. What would your BAC be? I have co-workers and customers who after work will go to the store and get a12 pack. Go home relax and drink a few. Does it make them alcoholics? I think it’s wrong when people take something like this and start twisting it into something mean and hateful about someone when they don’t know it to be fact. Just gossip. If it comes out later he is an alcoholic, then you can gloat and celebrate all you want, until then I think it’s disrespectful on your part. Worst thing of this is he got behind the wheel but out of it he got arrested, public humiliation for himself, suspended and fined. And no I don’t drink. Alcohol always tasted bitter to me so never aquired a taste for it. Just put that in so the ones who will bash me for this post will be thinking that I’m supporting SK because I drink.
Not to be picky, but it was July 3 when it began, and ran over into the morning of July 4 when he was booked. Warming up for July 4th? Unknown as to reason.
From other posts he was known to drink and not show it publicly. A cool one or few on a hot day or in the company of friends at home is, to me, different than making a habit of it to the point of sort of immunizing yourself from showing obvious signs - meaning a functional alcoholic by definition. Maybe he is, maybe not - but the arrows are pointing that way.
Any time anyone drinks and goes over the limit, then drives it becomes a matter of luck more than skill, IMO. Too many innocents are hurt or killed by those who never had a problem driving drunk before... or were not caught. Either of those is a matter of luck, again IMO.
Otherwise, I agree in general with what you say. We gossip here. Some is true, some is guesswork, some is pure fiction, a lot is hearsay. Nobody dies from reading it though, so far as I am aware. That being the case, let's roll on and take it all for what it's worth.
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Post by End Zone on Jul 18, 2018 2:26:50 GMT -7
I wonder if MB put his bleary eyed former EOY and GM on permanent franchise probation? If the team president, I would. SK's next drug abuse incident (or poor job related decision) should result in an immediate pink slip. SK's job has to be on very thin ice now.
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