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Post by cardinalsins on Nov 4, 2024 16:45:15 GMT -7
This staff has a good history of upgrading guys that they inherit. Mostly on the OL though, but it's a good trend.
Nkw that I think about it, our OL coach deserves a raise IMO.
Maybe the Red Barron finally reaches his potential here. Really would have liked Ojulari though.
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 4, 2024 17:16:29 GMT -7
Fantastic image! Browning’s primary move seems to be to race around the back of the QB and try and knock the ball away or spin the ball carrier to the ground. He doesn’t seem like a hard hitter with good tackle technique. He fumbled his interception against the Chargers. His pass rush win rate is around 12% which is mediocre, but he does seem to have some flexibility as a decent coverage and edge containment guy. I’m trying to keep an open mind. |
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 4, 2024 17:20:25 GMT -7
For those comparing Browning to Reddick’s transition, remember Reddick was an edge in college and the NFL tried (failed) to make him an off ball LB. A little different scenario. Browning was OLB for Ohio State, wasn’t he? |
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 4, 2024 17:25:08 GMT -7
JG just on 98.7 and they like him because he is a 3-down LB who can pass rush, protect edge & drop into coverage ... that is what they were looking for and why it was Browning. A Denver radio sports guy says if healthy Browning is a good player and in fact he would have been a starter at Edge but while he was out - Nick Bonitto blew up and so there was no room for Baron. I like that. I was arguing for a three down player (Young) over more a pass play specialist (Ojulari). I just want more SIZE. I hope Browning stays healthy for us and reaches his potential with Gannon and Rallis. Anything we can do to improve our defense is welcome. We have done a great job in getting a lot out of this no name defensive roster (aside from Budda). We give up a lot of yards but have kept teams out of the end zone, especially lately. More pressure and run stopping will reduce the yards, time of possession and get the ball back in our offense’s hands. |
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Post by belac44 on Nov 4, 2024 17:25:20 GMT -7
For those comparing Browning to Reddick’s transition, remember Reddick was an edge in college and the NFL tried (failed) to make him an off ball LB. A little different scenario. Browning was OLB for Ohio State, wasn’t he? Apparently started at OSU at middle linebacker for 3 years, but did move to outside LB his senior year. Then Broncos drafted him and moved him back to middle linebacker. So I guess there are some similarities. So he has moved around a bit, similar to Reddick. |
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 4, 2024 17:26:57 GMT -7
Browning was OLB for Ohio State, wasn’t he? Apparently started at OSU at middle linebacker for 3 years, but did move to outside LB his senior year. Then Broncos drafted him and moved him back to middle linebacker. So I guess there are some similarities. So he has moved around a bit, similar to Reddick. Similar size and ability. I sure hope Gannon can bring out his best. |
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 4, 2024 19:00:43 GMT -7
Giants put out there that a 6th or 7th won’t get the job done for Ojulari.
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Post by MT Diesel on Nov 4, 2024 19:34:23 GMT -7
Please go to the end of the trade deadline Thread
I want to first members to get the credit they deserve
for their posts.
Was it Vesely22!!!!!! that broke the News or devongent or boomer? Vesely thanks! They had a say in it devongent gets his rental for a 6th rd pick the original post was a page back I believe I don't care who gets the credit. I'm glad we traded for someone but I'm not sure he is going to help much because the last couple of years, he hasn't been able to stay on the field. I was actually hoping for a different Buckeye (Chase Young). All things considered, Baron is athletic and has really good upside - again, if he stays on the field. He is another M Wilson type...he can pass rush, defend the run and cover. He was the highest ranked defender last year for the Broncos and I do not view VJ as the best judge of talent or ability to get the most out of players. The injury issues is a concern...he is a good fit for JG and Rallis. |
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 4, 2024 23:01:40 GMT -7
I don't care who gets the credit. I'm glad we traded for someone but I'm not sure he is going to help much because the last couple of years, he hasn't been able to stay on the field. I was actually hoping for a different Buckeye (Chase Young). All things considered, Baron is athletic and has really good upside - again, if he stays on the field. He is another M Wilson type...he can pass rush, defend the run and cover. He was the highest ranked defender last year for the Broncos and I do not view VJ as the best judge of talent or ability to get the most out of players. The injury issues is a concern...he is a good fit for JG and Rallis. Well Monti got all those Dline and Oline guys without injury histories and now most are on IR, so the Law of Averages suggests Baron will stay healthy, right? 🙂 |
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Post by devongent on Nov 5, 2024 1:40:04 GMT -7
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Post by CardsFanQC on Nov 5, 2024 3:10:33 GMT -7
This quote is from the33rdteam website about Baron Browning - NOTE: Keep in mind in 2024, NO Cardinal player has even 20 pressures thru 9 games.
"The Arizona Cardinals needed some more pass-rushing depth to make a run at the NFC West title. While Baron Browning isn't a massive name, he's a respectable enough depth piece for a late Day 3 pick.
Browning has had a down year but has been a productive pass rusher in the past. Per PFF, he generated 73 pressures during the 2022 and 2023 seasons while generating 30 combined defensive stops."
As someone else has posted and verified on JV podcast last night, Browning was the highest rated player on the entire Broncos defense last year. He also had won the job as the starting edge rusher for the Broncos heading into the 2024 season thus beating out Bonitto and 3rd round pick Ellis. Well ... he got hurt in the 2nd game of the season and Bonitto flashed with a string of games where he had a sack. Browning then didn't get his spot back so from the Broncos standpoint it was time to get something from him before hitting FA.
So ... I am hoping this trade is a case of Monti and the Pro scouts staff finding another player with talent (e.g. Froholdt) that due to an untimely injury was relegated to be behind other players. Of course my confidence in the Cards PRO scouting room was shaken when they signed J. Jones for about 2x the money his previous production warranted. They've hit on Froholdt, Evan Brown, Mack Wilson, Kyzir, Ryland, Gilliken as Monti looks for age 27 and under available talent that won't break the bank resulting in high production per $$ expended. I surely hope Browning is one of the latter group.
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Post by End Zone on Nov 5, 2024 4:29:22 GMT -7
"Denver Broncos OLB Baron Browning is traded to the Arizona Cardinals for a future sixth-round pick." That's the headline. Below the headlines were descriptions of a defensive handyman who can play 2 to 3 positions and maybe be on the field for a couple of dozen snaps per game if he can stay healthy. He's not an every-down player, judging from the 6th-round value, nor a player that a QB will have to keep an eye on as a dangerous Edge Rusher. Browning is undersized by about 20-30 pounds to thrive on the edge. RB Henry is the same size as Browning, e.g., about 6'2"/6'3" and 250/247 lbs. I like that the GM got a player who now adds depth to a couple of positions. Browining's contract is also cheaper than other options that break the GM's bank. Lastly, I like that the GM is still shopping. NYG's Ojulari is available. What's his price? Maybe too much for Ossenfort this late in the season. Ojulari is the guy that I would make an offer on at 3 p.m. today, 1 hour before the NFL Trade deadline. See if the NYG's are flexible for 60 minutes. Ask, what does it take to get to "YES?" Sometimes, it's that simple. www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-cardinals-have-called-giants-about-azeez-ojulari/ar-AA1toms1?ocid=BingNewsSerp
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Post by MT Diesel on Nov 5, 2024 6:07:21 GMT -7
This quote is from the33rdteam website about Baron Browning - NOTE: Keep in mind in 2024, NO Cardinal player has even 20 pressures thru 9 games. "The Arizona Cardinals needed some more pass-rushing depth to make a run at the NFC West title. While Baron Browning isn't a massive name, he's a respectable enough depth piece for a late Day 3 pick. Browning has had a down year but has been a productive pass rusher in the past. Per PFF, he generated 73 pressures during the 2022 and 2023 seasons while generating 30 combined defensive stops." As someone else has posted and verified on JV podcast last night, Browning was the highest rated player on the entire Broncos defense last year. He also had won the job as the starting edge rusher for the Broncos heading into the 2024 season thus beating out Bonitto and 3rd round pick Ellis. Well ... he got hurt in the 2nd game of the season and Bonitto flashed with a string of games where he had a sack. Browning then didn't get his spot back so from the Broncos standpoint it was time to get something from him before hitting FA. So ... I am hoping this trade is a case of Monti and the Pro scouts staff finding another player with talent (e.g. Froholdt) that due to an untimely injury was relegated to be behind other players. Of course my confidence in the Cards PRO scouting room was shaken when they signed J. Jones for about 2x the money his previous production warranted. They've hit on Froholdt, Evan Brown, Mack Wilson, Kyzir, Ryland, Gilliken as Monti looks for age 27 and under available talent that won't break the bank resulting in high production per $$ expended. I surely hope Browning is one of the latter group. I like your post...as per the PHNX podcast yesterday...they are idiots in the entire agenda and talking points and gest of the entire podcast...I like the podcast in general...I do not know what to say in a positive way as per that episode.JV was dead wrong about Tip on the draft night and still doesn't understand FB or building a winning roster...they are just fan boys...flapping some wind with little tangible substance. |
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Post by CardsFanQC on Nov 5, 2024 6:26:20 GMT -7
ESPN breaking news has the long-rumored deal of Z'Darius Smith to the Lions deal now complete -- cost was a 5th and 6th rounder for Smith and a 7th ... guess the Lions figure their 7th rounder will be one of the last 3 picks in entire draft so why not just throw it into the trade to get it done. It appears the Giants asking price might not result in a trade -- only 6 more hrs to wait: According to Dianna Russini of The Athletic, the Giants continue to listen to offers for a trade for EDGE Azeez Ojulari but will only move him for the right price. ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler mentions the return in trades for DE Za’Darius Smith and OLB Baron Browning and believes New York will want more than that for Ojulari. For now it appears the Cards will evaluate Browning, Xavier Thomas (with ZC as a given) and then decide whether to take a run at Azeez in free agency as I doubt he will be back with the Giants. Added you a link. Took down This part of my thread. Thanks, You did the work www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/browns-trade-pro-bowl-pass-rusher/ar-AA1ty5xV?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=f6f02f9a2e124b6c929a18069c811081&ei=9 |
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Post by devongent on Nov 5, 2024 7:33:04 GMT -7
Lastly, I like that the GM is still shopping. NYG's Ojulari is available. What's his price? Maybe too much for Ossenfort this late in the season. Ojulari is the guy that I would make an offer on at 3 p.m. today, 1 hour before the NFL Trade deadline. See if the NYG's are flexible for 60 minutes. Ask, what does it take to get to "YES?" Sometimes, it's that simple. Just wondering what price you would be willing to pay for Ojulari; a third, fourth or fifth rounder (or combination thereof, perhaps including our 7th)? It seems the Cards would have like to have had him and (if so) evident that the Giants wanted more than we are willing to pay. That's fine, its part and parcel of a basic purchaser & seller relationship. - A number of people on the forum have expressed a desire to sign Azeez, but apart from an (seemingly) unrealistic 6th or a 7th, no-one has come up with a firm proposal offer to try and get a deal over the line. |
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