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Post by MT Diesel on Nov 2, 2024 10:47:50 GMT -7
From Niner's Wire by, Kyle Madson :
Perhaps the 49ers aren’t interested in making a trade or getting in a bidding war for a defensive end. If it means keeping the Cardinals from bolstering their defense while simultaneously helping their own chances to make the Super Bowl though, they should be absolutely get involved.
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Post by CardCore on Nov 2, 2024 11:15:33 GMT -7
Bleacher Report, by Mike Chiari quote: While the Giants defense has benefited from having that type of depth, Fowler said there is a belief Ojulari will be the "odd man out" once Thibodeaux returns. Couple that with the fact that Ojulari is set to hit free agency at the end of the season, and there is plenty of incentive for the Giants to get something of value for him in a trade. Fowler named the Arizona Cardinals as a potential landing spot for Ojulari since his brother, BJ Ojulari, plays for the team. BJ Ojulari is out for the season, though, the Cards could use a pass-rushing boost in his absence, as they ranks 24th in the NFL with 15 sacks. At 4-4, the Cardinals are in a three-way tie for first place in the NFC West, and they have a golden opportunity to move to 5-4 if they can beat the Chicago Bears at home on Sunday. Should that happen, Arizona would perhaps be a buyer at the deadline, and Ojulari would potentially be an excellent fit. The Detroit Lions also have to be considered as a possible landing spot for Ojulari since they lost superstar pass-rusher Aidan Hutchinson for the season recently and have yet to truly replace him. I thought I remembered reading a week or 2 ago the Lions had picked up one of the most sought after pass rushers? Maybe "picked up" is not accurate.... |
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 2, 2024 13:55:53 GMT -7
Folks seem to be counting it as a positive that Ojulari’s brother is here and they could be excited to play on the same team. That’s cool, but I’d be concerned having two brothers playing at the same position. Blood is thicker than water and it also sometimes brings unique drama. My wife manages two twins on her team, and one is better educated and capable. One sometimes needs discipline and hasn’t earned the same pay and responsibility. It’s caused problems, and of course the sisters stand up for each other over management. What happens when one Ojulari bro gets a new contract and a starting position bit one is regulated to a back up role? I’m not sure I’d want the field or locker room have family issues.
Ive also explained why I’m not sold on having two players with identical size and skill set as two starters.
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Post by cardinalsins on Nov 2, 2024 18:47:20 GMT -7
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Post by CardsFanQC on Nov 3, 2024 2:56:09 GMT -7
Folks seem to be counting it as a positive that Ojulari’s brother is here and they could be excited to play on the same team. That’s cool, but I’d be concerned having two brothers playing at the same position. Blood is thicker than water and it also sometimes brings unique drama. My wife manages two twins on her team, and one is better educated and capable. One sometimes needs discipline and hasn’t earned the same pay and responsibility. It’s caused problems, and of course the sisters stand up for each other over management. What happens when one Ojulari bro gets a new contract and a starting position bit one is regulated to a back up role? I’m not sure I’d want the field or locker room have family issues. Ive also explained why I’m not sold on having two players with identical size and skill set as two starters. While I somewhat agree with edge players having same size/skillset, the Cardinals biggest question with BJ Ojulari having 2 injury-related seasons so going into his 3rd year the team doesn't know what they have. The highest probability to motivate BJ and maximize his production is to see his "big brother" get a decent "bag" of money. Right now the Cardinals front office and fans don't even know going into 2025 whether they have ANYONE who can at least generate 8+ sacks in a season. Zaven is a different DE as he is stout on run defense but has not yet figured out a pass rush move other than a bull rush so the diversity is to have Zaven and the two (2) Ojulari brothers stay fresh and rotate. At least Azeez is proven commodity and is only 24 yrs old !!! Giants want a 5th (best case) for Azeez Ojulari - Excerpt: Teams that are keeping an eye on the 24-year-old include the Falcons, Cardinals and Bengals,” according to Duggan’s colleague Dianna Russini. Cardinals linked to a trade for Azeez Ojulari
Cards have interest in Azeez Ojulari & Arden Key of Titans
P.S. Reports are that if Miami loses today vs. the Bills that Calais Campbell will be available for trade and it is said a few teams have inquired. I wonder as such a great NFL vet whether Miami would send him to the team of HIS choice if the trade offers were the same round draft pick -- can't really be more than a 6th or 7th rounder. If the Cards win today and they were able to add CC, Azeez & DRob to the starting front 7 and having Jonah Williams back at RT, the team could really make some noise for a NFC West crown and 1st round HOME playoff game. |
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Post by Boomer on Nov 3, 2024 5:32:56 GMT -7
If we were further along in our rebuild and sitting in the top ten by midseason, it would make sense to trade for players that are in the last year of their contract and fill a need. Right now, giving up draft picks to take on a player that will be a UFA next year just doesn't seem like a good idea. Can they renegotiate a contract like that before the deal is made? I'm clueless how that works.
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Post by devongent on Nov 3, 2024 6:45:05 GMT -7
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Post by CardsFanQC on Nov 3, 2024 7:09:07 GMT -7
If we were further along in our rebuild and sitting in the top ten by midseason, it would make sense to trade for players that are in the last year of their contract and fill a need. Right now, giving up draft picks to take on a player that will be a UFA next year just doesn't seem like a good idea. Can they renegotiate a contract like that before the deal is made? I'm clueless how that works. Monti can have a deal agreed to in principle and request the Giants for 24 hrs to talk with Azeez and his agent (also guage interest on playing in AZ with brother) on parameters for a deal (I believe the Bears last year when they traded for Montez Sweat & quickly signed him to a new contract). Of course BJ Ojulari can talk with his brother and get an idea of how much a 3 or 4 yr deal his brother is looking for ... Monti could then "bump" into BJ who provides this information. With all of the above info -- Monti can pull the trigger. For a background of recent edge rushers and contracts: Reddick signed with Eagles a few yrs ago for $15M/APY when he was age 27, Greenard at age 26 who had a breakout season in 2023 (similar to what Azeez is doing right now) signed for $19M/APY and Bryce Huff (age 26) who is a situational edge rusher signed this off-season for $17M APY. Of the above the Vikings (Greenard) and Reddick with the Eagles both performed at or above expectations of the teams' management though of course, Reddick thought he outperformed by a measure which made him UNDER-paid but he is now age 30. I think Huff has not fitted in well with the Eagles and with a PFF of 61 is underperforming at $17M/APY. Azeez is only age 24 and ascending - if Cards signed him and gave him an extension of 3 yrs so they would benefit from the 2024 low cap # of 1/2 of the $2.1M cap number ... then gave him a 3 yr. $44-47M extension - would that do the trick for both sides ? Heck you could off a base extension of 3 Yr. $40M and have incentives for # of sacks/snaps player to get up to $48M. I hope Monti is on the phone for both Azeez and Chase Young (he signed for 1 yr deal with Saints for $13M so he is going to want a multi-year deal above that #. |
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Post by devongent on Nov 3, 2024 11:29:41 GMT -7
Dev? Your assumption that “out and out pass rushers” are the size of Reddick is off base IMO. His stature was likely the main reason he was relegated (mistakenly) to ILB. Yes, he’s a darn good pass rusher, but amongst the smallest ever. Keep in mind these guys are trying to fight their way amongst / around OLinemen to reach the QB… Reddick is more an anomaly than the perfect sized pass rusher. Again, IMO. Hi CardCore: Apologies for the delay in replying. My point wasn't saying that an optimal size of an Edge rusher is around 240 lbs/ 6'3", rather if you are of this size (aka Reddick & Azeez Ojulari), then Edge rushing is likely to be the name of your game. - Reddick is at the bottom end (in weight terms); hence borderline what you normally see with an IL-Backer (which may be is the reason leading to him being misused when here?). To illustrate the point, here's an example of two premier players, who have different physique (to roughly match those of Chase Young and Azeez Ojulari) - Nick Bosa - 6' 4" / 266 lbs. - He ran a 40-yard dash time of 4.79 on his pro day. Micah Parsons - 6' 3" / 245 lbs. - He ran a 40-yard time of 4.39 Loosely speaking we are comparing power v speed here. If you are of smaller stature then you need to possess high twitch speed combined with agility (especially change of direction) and good technique. Always a trade off, the heavier man should be better at defending the edge, but less likely to be effective defending space. All relative to the individual, of course, but that's my simplistic view on things. My own view is Nick Bosa is a true Defensive End and is best served in this position in a traditional 4-3 front. - Micah Parsons is an adaptable piece and I really liked this guy when coming out of college. So, in a theoretical world, would you rather the Cardinals brought in (via a trade) a 'Nick Bosa Mark II' or a 'Micah Parsons Mark II'? - The answer to this may guide your preference for either Chase Young or Azeez Ojulari at the current time. |
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 3, 2024 12:53:12 GMT -7
Dev? Your assumption that “out and out pass rushers” are the size of Reddick is off base IMO. His stature was likely the main reason he was relegated (mistakenly) to ILB. Yes, he’s a darn good pass rusher, but amongst the smallest ever. Keep in mind these guys are trying to fight their way amongst / around OLinemen to reach the QB… Reddick is more an anomaly than the perfect sized pass rusher. Again, IMO. Hi CardCore: Apologies for the delay in replying. My point wasn't saying that an optimal size of an Edge rusher is around 240 lbs/ 6'3", rather if you are of this size (aka Reddick & Azeez Ojulari), then Edge rushing is likely to be the name of your game. - Reddick is at the bottom end (in weight terms); hence borderline what you normally see with an IL-Backer (which may be is the reason leading to him being misused when here?). To illustrate the point, here's an example of two premier players, who have different physique (to roughly match those of Chase Young and Azeez Ojulari) - Nick Bosa - 6' 4" / 266 lbs. - He ran a 40-yard dash time of 4.79 on his pro day. Micah Parsons - 6' 3" / 245 lbs. - He ran a 40-yard time of 4.39 Loosely speaking we are comparing power v speed here. If you are of smaller stature then you need to possess high twitch speed combined with agility (especially change of direction) and good technique. Always a trade off, the heavier man should be better at defending the edge, but less likely to be effective defending space. All relative to the individual, of course, but that's my simplistic view on things. My own view is Nick Bosa is a true Defensive End and is best served in this position in a traditional 4-3 front. - Micah Parsons is an adaptable piece and I really liked this guy when coming out of college. So, in a theoretical world, would you rather the Cardinals brought in (via a trade) a 'Nick Bosa Mark II' or a 'Micah Parsons Mark II'? - The answer to this may guide your preference for either Chase Young or Azeez Ojulari at the current time. You make this point better than I did when I attempted to in my post comparing different trade possibilities for a LB/Edge. I like A. Ojulari a lot, and think he would add something we desperately need for the rest of 2024. I also think if we are going to spend a pick on a 8 game 2024 player, I want a guy who could realistically be given a longer contract after their 2024 “try-out” period, and be a starter. Assuming BJ Ojulari is healthy and rookie Xavier Thomas develops, we’d already have 2 240lb type primarily sack guys who are honestly situational 1st down and obvious pass play players. I’m cautiously optimistic Thomas could be a steal. His resume was top non-QB player coming out of HS, a big stumble physically and mentally through COVID, and then an impressive come-back story. We need some 3 down guys with the size to stop the run, bat down passes and create pressure, and that is more Chase Young than A. or BJ Ojulari IMO. |
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Post by devongent on Nov 3, 2024 14:12:23 GMT -7
I like A. Ojulari a lot, and think he would add something we desperately need for the rest of 2024. I also think if we are going to spend a pick on a 8 game 2024 player, I want a guy who could realistically be given a longer contract after their 2024 “try-out” period, and be a starter. I think this is the nub of the situation and feel your initial instincts are correct. If we are going to offer a substantial draft pick for Azeez, then I don't see Monti doing a gamble for an eight game hire. Should we manage to get him in and extended, then that would be a decent bit of business for the future and give us some much needed juice in the shorter term. Talking of Micah Parsons, I have just read the following piece. www.nytimes.com/athletic/4872982/2023/09/18/cowboys-micah-parsons-mvp-dominating-defense/We didn't pass-over him (the Cowboys pick was higher than ours) but I recall its doubtful we'd have taken him. |
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Post by CardsFanQC on Nov 3, 2024 14:59:50 GMT -7
Miami loses - Calais Campbell is available
Saints Lose - Chase Young is available
Giants lose - Azeez Ojularo and Evan Neal are available
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 4, 2024 11:23:09 GMT -7
Well, after an embarrassing loss to the apanthers the Saints have fired HC Dennis Allen. I encourage everyone to take a moment and look at all the red negative cap savings on the Saint’s OverTheCap. overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-orleans-saintsLook at 2024 and 2025. Talk about cap hell! Good luck to whomever takes on this rebuild. They have no cap relief to be found, but they do have Chase Young and CB Marshawn Lattimer who won’t be back next year and could get them some desperately needed draft picks. I think it’s time to make a serious move for 25 year old, 6’-5”, 265 lb former #2 pick DE Chase Young. He’s quietly getting tons of pressures and hurries this season and is a guy who can stay on the field for both run and pass plays. A big guy who won’t allow double teams on DRob when he comes back. But here is an idea…DE Chase Young AND OLB A. Ojulari? Ojulari is a totally different skill set and I’ve questioned the need of an OLB pass specialist when we have similar sized OLB Xavier Thomas (good game yesterday) and BJ Ojulari returning next season. But we have a shot at the playoffs right now and the addition of Young, Ojulari AND DRob would go a long way towards beefing up the biggest weakness on this team. Both should be relatively cheap in pick cost as they are at the end of contracts, both remaining contracts are cheap for what you get, and both are 24-25 yrs old providing the possibility of 1/2 year “try-outs” to see if they gel with the defense and maybe then sign long term as part of our rebuild. I’d LOVE going into the 2025 free agency and draft without needing to worry about DE/OLB so much and be able to focus on interior DL, G, ILB and best player available. What do you all think? |
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Post by Vesely22 on Nov 4, 2024 12:17:33 GMT -7
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Post by Boomer on Nov 4, 2024 12:25:52 GMT -7
Did anyone have Baron Browning on the Cardinals EDGE bingo card?
I think not.
Added bonus…he’s a free agent next year.
Oof
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