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Post by BigRedFan on Mar 18, 2024 22:01:13 GMT -7
Watching the Cardinals last year especially with K1 under center, the lack of WR talent was noticeable. Michael Wilson missing reps with injury and he and K1 not connecting til the last 2 games of 2023. K1 and Wilson will get it right, I believe that.
Now, regarding Vikings Cardinals draft slots trade rumors. Depending on the draft capital the Vikes are willing to give up; Monti must consider franchise changing offer.
In the mean time, I'm actually fine with passing on MHJII as long as this guy from LSU is on the board at #11. Brian Thomas Jr
He's explosive off the snap, he's physical enough to blast bump coverage and he attacks the football. Great YAC guy. He's as good as Nabors, imo.
Brian Thomas' build reminds me of a Deebo Samuel. Thomas jr, will run through and by press coverage. Thomas Jr. had great grades at the combine except for the bench press.
Nabors and Thomas Jr. had better numbers in a better conference than MHJII in both receiving yards and TDs. That being said, I'm not opposed to Monti going with the safe pick at #4. Food for thought for the next 7 weeks!
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Post by End Zone on Mar 19, 2024 1:21:11 GMT -7
Watching the Cardinals last year especially with K1 under center, the lack of WR talent was noticeable. Michael Wilson missing reps with injury and he and K1 not connecting til the last 2 games of 2023. K1 and Wilson will get it right, I believe that. Now, regarding Vikings Cardinals draft slots trade rumors. Depending on the draft capital the Vikes are willing to give up; Monti must consider franchise changing offer.In the mean time, I'm actually fine with passing on MHJII as long as this guy from LSU is on the board at #11. Brian Thomas Jr
He's explosive off the snap, he's physical enough to blast bump coverage and he attacks the football. Great YAC guy. He's as good as Nabors, imo. Brian Thomas' build reminds me of a Deebo Samuel. Thomas jr, will run through and by press coverage. Thomas Jr. had great grades at the combine except for the bench press. Nabors and Thomas Jr. had better numbers in a better conference than MHJII in both receiving yards and TDs. That being said, I'm not opposed to Monti going with the safe pick at #4. Food for thought for the next 7 weeks! Thanks for the highlight video on WR Thomas. First, he's as special as Harrison, perhaps an equal in skill. Second, what about Thomas' work ethic? Much has been said about Harrison's preparation and intelligence. Does Thomas equal Harrison off the field? About comparing Thomas to Samuels, that's your judgment call. Maybe you see something in Thomas that I didn't see. Samuels scares the hell out of defensive backfields. He's the axe man of WRs. He'll tear up a defender one on one. Thomas on the other hand, appears to be thinner and less physical--based solely on the 5-min highlights video. Regarding the video, are there other videos that show us "normal Thomas?", those games where he had to fight for a ball and lost? Lastly thanks for another video about QB Daniels. I saw some alarming things. He's not accurate. NFL defenders are going to eat Daniels lunch if he doesn't clean up those wild passes.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Mar 19, 2024 2:14:59 GMT -7
I don't know if NFL teams do this or not but in my opinion they should. Particularly with high round draft picks. If I'm a general manager and having to make a decision on a player that can change the franchise then I want to see tape of every play the guys ever had on a football field. It's very easy to fall in love with someone watching a highlight tape but I want to see the plays where he fails. I want to see how he reacts after that. I want to see how he reacts in adverse situations.
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 19, 2024 13:08:58 GMT -7
Watching the Cardinals last year especially with K1 under center, the lack of WR talent was noticeable. Michael Wilson missing reps with injury and he and K1 not connecting til the last 2 games of 2023. K1 and Wilson will get it right, I believe that. Now, regarding Vikings Cardinals draft slots trade rumors. Depending on the draft capital the Vikes are willing to give up; Monti must consider franchise changing offer.In the mean time, I'm actually fine with passing on MHJII as long as this guy from LSU is on the board at #11. Brian Thomas Jr
He's explosive off the snap, he's physical enough to blast bump coverage and he attacks the football. Great YAC guy. He's as good as Nabors, imo. Brian Thomas' build reminds me of a Deebo Samuel. Thomas jr, will run through and by press coverage. Thomas Jr. had great grades at the combine except for the bench press. Nabors and Thomas Jr. had better numbers in a better conference than MHJII in both receiving yards and TDs. That being said, I'm not opposed to Monti going with the safe pick at #4. Food for thought for the next 7 weeks! Thanks for the highlight video on WR Thomas. First, he's as special as Harrison, perhaps an equal in skill. Second, what about Thomas' work ethic? Much has been said about Harrison's preparation and intelligence. Does Thomas equal Harrison off the field? About comparing Thomas to Samuels, that's your judgment call. Maybe you see something in Thomas that I didn't see. Samuels scares the hell out of defensive backfields. He's the axe man of WRs. He'll tear up a defender one on one. Thomas on the other hand, appears to be thinner and less physical--based solely on the 5-min highlights video. Regarding the video, are there other videos that show us "normal Thomas?", those games where he had to fight for a ball and lost? Lastly thanks for another video about QB Daniels. I saw some alarming things. He's not accurate. NFL defenders are going to eat Daniels lunch if he doesn't clean up those wild passes. Daniels has a higher completion % (72.2) than Williams, Maye or Penix Jr. Only Bo Nix of the top six QBs is higher. In addition, his 11.7 avg yards is by FAR the best of ALL college QBs. That average plus that completion percentage resulted in his incredible passing yardage and top QBR of 208. You need to watch a lot more film my friend! As far as Nabers and Thomas…we should all be careful of the chicken or egg question with these WRs and this QB. Did the QB make the WR’s or the WR’s make the QB? Or all all three studs?
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Post by thomas cat on Mar 19, 2024 17:38:31 GMT -7
I don't know if NFL teams do this or not but in my opinion they should. Particularly with high round draft picks. If I'm a general manager and having to make a decision on a player that can change the franchise then I want to see tape of every play the guys ever had on a football field. It's very easy to fall in love with someone watching a highlight tape but I want to see the plays where he fails. I want to see how he reacts after that. I want to see how he reacts in adverse situations. I like your post. Its sound advice, but I would have to think any GM worth his salt would indeed want to see a lowlight tape and any other thing that might set off a red flag warning. You can put together an impressive highlight tape on just about anybody....we see them all the time, ( hell, I even posted some myself ) but it's never gives you the full picture. I kind of wish whenever someone makes a highlight film, they make a lowlight one too. Probably never happen, but it would be interesting, and we would be better informed. While I'm sure the GM's see the films where they fail, most of us fans only get exposed to the highlights. When I say fans, I'm talking about someone like me that doesn't follow college ball. Even when it comes to the Pro's, if you're not a Cardinal or a star, I barely know your name. I have to say, I am continually impressed how many here know so much about countless college and pro players. I consider myself a big football fan, but I can't hold a candle to many here when it comes to knowing strengths and weaknesses of any given player.
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Post by BigRedFan on Mar 19, 2024 22:06:55 GMT -7
Watching the Cardinals last year especially with K1 under center, the lack of WR talent was noticeable. Michael Wilson missing reps with injury and he and K1 not connecting til the last 2 games of 2023. K1 and Wilson will get it right, I believe that. Now, regarding Vikings Cardinals draft slots trade rumors. Depending on the draft capital the Vikes are willing to give up; Monti must consider franchise changing offer.In the mean time, I'm actually fine with passing on MHJII as long as this guy from LSU is on the board at #11. Brian Thomas Jr
He's explosive off the snap, he's physical enough to blast bump coverage and he attacks the football. Great YAC guy. He's as good as Nabors, imo. Brian Thomas' build reminds me of a Deebo Samuel. Thomas jr, will run through and by press coverage. Thomas Jr. had great grades at the combine except for the bench press. Nabors and Thomas Jr. had better numbers in a better conference than MHJII in both receiving yards and TDs. That being said, I'm not opposed to Monti going with the safe pick at #4. Food for thought for the next 7 weeks! Thanks for the highlight video on WR Thomas. First, he's as special as Harrison, perhaps an equal in skill. Second, what about Thomas' work ethic? Much has been said about Harrison's preparation and intelligence. Does Thomas equal Harrison off the field? About comparing Thomas to Samuels, that's your judgment call. Maybe you see something in Thomas that I didn't see. Samuels scares the hell out of defensive backfields. He's the axe man of WRs. He'll tear up a defender one on one. Thomas on the other hand, appears to be thinner and less physical--based solely on the 5-min highlights video. Regarding the video, are there other videos that show us "normal Thomas?", those games where he had to fight for a ball and lost? Lastly thanks for another video about QB Daniels. I saw some alarming things. He's not accurate. NFL defenders are going to eat Daniels lunch if he doesn't clean up those wild passes. EZ, thanks for the response. To be clear, The Cardinals win either way if they pick at number 4 and grab MJH or trade back depending on the Giants or Vikings. I'll predict this, the Cardinals could swap with NYG if they want their QBOF. No way in hell Jim Harbaugh is taking MJH with Chargers' #5 pick is he? JMO. PFT's Chris Simms ranks this upcoming draft's WRs.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 20, 2024 9:38:18 GMT -7
Thanks for the highlight video on WR Thomas. First, he's as special as Harrison, perhaps an equal in skill. Second, what about Thomas' work ethic? Much has been said about Harrison's preparation and intelligence. Does Thomas equal Harrison off the field? About comparing Thomas to Samuels, that's your judgment call. Maybe you see something in Thomas that I didn't see. Samuels scares the hell out of defensive backfields. He's the axe man of WRs. He'll tear up a defender one on one. Thomas on the other hand, appears to be thinner and less physical--based solely on the 5-min highlights video. Regarding the video, are there other videos that show us "normal Thomas?", those games where he had to fight for a ball and lost? Lastly thanks for another video about QB Daniels. I saw some alarming things. He's not accurate. NFL defenders are going to eat Daniels lunch if he doesn't clean up those wild passes. EZ, thanks for the response. To be clear, The Cardinals win either way if they pick at number 4 and grab MJH or trade back depending on the Giants or Vikings. I'll predict this, the Cardinals could swap with NYG if they want their QBOF. No way in hell Jim Harbaugh is taking MJH with Chargers' #5 pick is he? JMO. PFT's Chris Simms ranks this upcoming draft's WRs. This makes a lot of sense Harbaugh loves running the ball and they need oline to one run the ball and two protect the Qb. They brought in a bruising RB they plan on playing his game playaction and play a lot of smash mouth football.Arizona this way would still get Harrison. I have decided if the cardinals trade down which I think it's there I think if they want it. I am thinking no way any of the top 3 trade out they stick and take a Qb so either Arizona or San Diego trades down I think the pressure is on getting to the fourth pick for Qb needy teams. I think I am gonna trust the Cardinals on this. If the Cardinals trade down and I am thinking it's a very strong possibility I don't know who they draft but my money would say oline or dline if not MHJ. I think I want for a Wr if we trade down is Adonai Mitchell out of Texas and their third pick another Wr.
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Post by flash on Mar 20, 2024 12:09:35 GMT -7
Thanks for the highlight video on WR Thomas. First, he's as special as Harrison, perhaps an equal in skill. Second, what about Thomas' work ethic? Much has been said about Harrison's preparation and intelligence. Does Thomas equal Harrison off the field? About comparing Thomas to Samuels, that's your judgment call. Maybe you see something in Thomas that I didn't see. Samuels scares the hell out of defensive backfields. He's the axe man of WRs. He'll tear up a defender one on one. Thomas on the other hand, appears to be thinner and less physical--based solely on the 5-min highlights video. Regarding the video, are there other videos that show us "normal Thomas?", those games where he had to fight for a ball and lost? Lastly thanks for another video about QB Daniels. I saw some alarming things. He's not accurate. NFL defenders are going to eat Daniels lunch if he doesn't clean up those wild passes. Daniels has a higher completion % (72.2) than Williams, Maye or Penix Jr. Only Bo Nix of the top six QBs is higher. In addition, his 11.7 avg yards is by FAR the best of ALL college QBs. That average plus that completion percentage resulted in his incredible passing yardage and top QBR of 208. You need to watch a lot more film my friend! As far as Nabers and Thomas…we should all be careful of the chicken or egg question with these WRs and this QB. Did the QB make the WR’s or the WR’s make the QB? Or all all three studs?This is what I was trying to point out with Marvin. Nabers and Odunze had better QB's than Marvin did. If roles were reversed, would Nabers and Odunze have had lesser stats? Would Marvin have had better stats? I was checking something about the 2002 season for the Raiders when they made it to the Super Bowl and lost to Tampa Bay. (I was checking because one of my Co-Workers is a Chiefs Fan...but nothing related to the Cardinals) So, in 2002, the Raiders had an 11/5 Win/Loss season. Their team consisted of: QB: Rich Gannon Games Started: 16/16 Yards Passing: 4689 Touchdowns: 26 Interceptions: 10 RB: Charlie Garner Rushing Yards: 962 Rushing TD's: 7 Receiving Yards: 941 Receiving TD's: 4 Games Started: 15/16 WR: Jerry Rice Yards: 1211 TD's: 7 Games Started: 16/16 WR: Tim Brown Yards: 930 Games Started: 16/16 WR: Jerry Porter Yards: 688 TD's: 9 Games Started: 14/16 Now compare above to the next season in 2003 where their record was 4/12 Win/Loss QB: Rich Gannon Games Started: 7/16 (He took only 19 snaps in the 7th game) Yards Passing: 1274 Touchdowns: 6 Interceptions: 4 RB: Charlie Garner Rushing Yards: 553 Rushing TD's: 9 Receiving Yards: 386 Receiving TD's: 1 Games Started: 9/14 WR: Jerry Rice Yards: 869 TD's: 2 Games Started: 15/16 WR: Tim Brown Yards: 567 Games Started: 15/16 WR: Jerry Porter Yards: 361 TD's: 1 Games Started: 1/10 What stands out between the two seasons? Had Gannon played a full season, would the outcome have been much better? Were Rice and Brown affected by playing with a backup QB? So, my point is that if Marvin had a better QB, could he have totally outperformed Nabers and Odunze?
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Mar 20, 2024 12:22:14 GMT -7
Daniels has a higher completion % (72.2) than Williams, Maye or Penix Jr. Only Bo Nix of the top six QBs is higher. In addition, his 11.7 avg yards is by FAR the best of ALL college QBs. That average plus that completion percentage resulted in his incredible passing yardage and top QBR of 208. You need to watch a lot more film my friend! As far as Nabers and Thomas…we should all be careful of the chicken or egg question with these WRs and this QB. Did the QB make the WR’s or the WR’s make the QB? Or all all three studs?This is what I was trying to point out with Marvin. Nabers and Odunze had better QB's than Marvin did. If roles were reversed, would Nabers and Odunze have had lesser stats? Would Marvin have had better stats? I was checking something about the 2002 season for the Raiders when they made it to the Super Bowl and lost to Tampa Bay. (I was checking because one of my Co-Workers is a Chiefs Fan...but nothing related to the Cardinals) So, in 2002, the Raiders had an 11/5 Win/Loss season. Their team consisted of: QB: Rich Gannon Games Started: 16/16 Yards Passing: 4689 Touchdowns: 26 Interceptions: 10 RB: Charlie Garner Rushing Yards: 962 Rushing TD's: 7 Receiving Yards: 941 Receiving TD's: 4 Games Started: 15/16 WR: Jerry Rice Yards: 1211 TD's: 7 Games Started: 16/16 WR: Tim Brown Yards: 930 Games Started: 16/16 WR: Jerry Porter Yards: 688 TD's: 9 Games Started: 14/16 Now compare above to the next season in 2003 where their record was 4/12 Win/Loss QB: Rich Gannon Games Started: 7/16 (He took only 19 snaps in the 7th game) Yards Passing: 1274 Touchdowns: 6 Interceptions: 4 RB: Charlie Garner Rushing Yards: 553 Rushing TD's: 9 Receiving Yards: 386 Receiving TD's: 1 Games Started: 9/14 WR: Jerry Rice Yards: 869 TD's: 2 Games Started: 15/16 WR: Tim Brown Yards: 567 Games Started: 15/16 WR: Jerry Porter Yards: 361 TD's: 1 Games Started: 1/10 What stands out between the two seasons? Had Gannon played a full season, would the outcome have been much better? Were Rice and Brown affected by playing with a backup QB? So, my point is that if Marvin had a better QB, could he have totally outperformed Nabers and Odunze? the answer to this question really depends on what you thought of rod Rutherford as a quarterback. And almost totally forgotten player, he was a quarterback at the University of Pittsburgh Larry's Junior and senior years. And Larry totally dominated college football in particular his senior year. How are the points you raised are good ones and should be taken into consideration when choosing one of these players. But only as part of the process. That's why I posted somewhere else that if I were a GM in this situation I would have to see every play these guys ever played on film and not just highlight real
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Post by cardinalsins on Mar 20, 2024 12:23:48 GMT -7
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 20, 2024 13:12:56 GMT -7
I can’t think of a GM who will be receiving more calls than Monti this draft.
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Post by BigRedFan on Mar 20, 2024 19:41:02 GMT -7
EZ, thanks for the response. To be clear, The Cardinals win either way if they pick at number 4 and grab MJH or trade back depending on the Giants or Vikings. I'll predict this, the Cardinals could swap with NYG if they want their QBOF. No way in hell Jim Harbaugh is taking MJH with Chargers' #5 pick is he? JMO. PFT's Chris Simms ranks this upcoming draft's WRs. This makes a lot of sense Harbaugh loves running the ball and they need oline to one run the ball and two protect the Qb. They brought in a bruising RB they plan on playing his game playaction and play a lot of smash mouth football.Arizona this way would still get Harrison. I have decided if the cardinals trade down which I think it's there I think if they want it. I am thinking no way any of the top 3 trade out they stick and take a Qb so either Arizona or San Diego trades down I think the pressure is on getting to the fourth pick for Qb needy teams. I think I am gonna trust the Cardinals on this. If the Cardinals trade down and I am thinking it's a very strong possibility I don't know who they draft but my money would say oline or dline if not MHJ. I think I want for a Wr if we trade down is Adonai Mitchell out of Texas and their third pick another Wr. IMO, NE should just trade out and get their haul of future picks. That current roster will probably ruin a rookie QB with all the holes that organization needs to fill and why draft MJH if you have no QB to help him develop? if that were to happen, MJH would fall to the Cardinals without a doubt for Monti and Sears to decide on April 25th.
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Post by BigRedFan on Mar 20, 2024 21:46:54 GMT -7
Chris Simms defends his WR draft prospect rankings on PFT.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 20, 2024 22:03:14 GMT -7
Chris Simms defends his WR draft prospect rankings on PFT. He has been wrong many times gets him clicks.
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Post by BigRedFan on Mar 21, 2024 20:49:15 GMT -7
Chris Simms defends his WR draft prospect rankings on PFT. He has been wrong many times gets him clicks. At least he, Simms, was there at the combine actually watching the workouts. Marvin skipped his combine and his OSU pro day. Harrison definitely has 'Diva' written all over him.
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