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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 29, 2024 14:16:34 GMT -7
I am starting to get a little quirky feeling about MHJ, his refusal to do any workouts? Is he a Primadonna in waiting? Right now I have gone from the MHJ or bust- to either one of the other two wr1 is fine with me. In fact, might even want that. Particularly is we can trade down and back up to grab Odunze. I don't think he's a primadonna. I think he's just leery of putting up numbers below Odunze/Nabors and losing his coveted spot as the top WR. There's also potential injury risk. While he's not a primadonna, I do have to give Nabors/Odunze the edge since they did not one but extra workouts. The bigger question is will MHJ do private workouts. If he refuses to do private workouts then there's no way I would take the kid. If you're investing a top-5 pick in someone, especially when that position is super deep in a draft, it's idiotic to invest in someone who won't do a private workout. I wouldn't ask him to run 40s per se. But I want all the top-3 guys to come in and just run routes with Kyler throwing to them. I'd tape the sessions then see how well each guy did running pro routes they may not have run in their college schemes. IMO, the only positive about him skipping workout is it makes it even more likely someone like Harbaugh would pass on the kid. Which means he could slide past the Chargers and still be available at 6 - if we traded back I don’t think he’s a primadonna, but I get the sense he’s doing whatever his pops tells him to do, and that that is how he’s gone through his football life. If pops had said work out, I think he works out. Now I know Marvin Sr is on tape saying “we discussed” either going to do workouts or instead beginning legit NFL training along with the rest an NFL player takes in the off-season, and Jr. chose the NFL prep route. I didn’t get the sense watching that interview that Jr chose anything.
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 31, 2024 21:05:56 GMT -7
The latest PFF mock draft an hour ago is interesting. They have FIVE QB’s going in the top five, even though we take MHJ at #4. They have a sixth QB, Nix, then going #12 to the Broncos.
Vikings trade up to #5 for McCarthy, then the Giants take Penix Jr.
That means 6 of the first 12 picks are QBs. That also means Odunze falls to Seattle at #16. Alt #9 to Bears and Fashanu #11. They also have Thomas Jr picked at WR before Odunze.
For the trade, the Chargers land #11, #23, #108 and the Vikings 2025 2nd rounder. For our #4 pick, it’s not a stretch to ask for their 2025 1st instead of 2nd.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Apr 1, 2024 4:02:38 GMT -7
It's becoming more apparent to me that the Cardinals are going to trade down out of spot number four. As an example, as grade of a receiver as Larry was wouldn't he roster been better overall and therefore the team better overall if we'd had a number one receiver who wasn't quite as good as Larry and two other players that were far superior to the players they would have replaced on the roster. I don't think any deal will be made for Jefferson from the Vikings unless he agrees beforehand to restructure his contract. I don't think there's any way that Monty is going to tie up that much cap space on a wide receiver.
So as great as Marvin Harrison Jr may be in my humble opinion of roster and therefore the team would be better with one of the other wide receivers, powers the interior offensive lineman from Oregon and a very good prospect at the corner and defensive line position.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Apr 3, 2024 7:55:57 GMT -7
The latest PFF mock draft an hour ago is interesting. They have FIVE QB’s going in the top five, even though we take MHJ at #4. They have a sixth QB, Nix, then going #12 to the Broncos. Vikings trade up to #5 for McCarthy, then the Giants take Penix Jr. That means 6 of the first 12 picks are QBs. That also means Odunze falls to Seattle at #16. Alt #9 to Bears and Fashanu #11. They also have Thomas Jr picked at WR before Odunze. For the trade, the Chargers land #11, #23, #108 and the Vikings 2025 2nd rounder. For our #4 pick, it’s not a stretch to ask for their 2025 1st instead of 2nd. I seem to recall a draft, one in the last decade, where they predicted something like 6 QBs in the first round. I think only two ended up being drafted in the first. While I don't see that happening this year, I think the idea of 4 QBs going in the top 5 is laughable. It could happen but when push comes to shove, most GMs want sure things because their job depends on it. The only reason why this year might be a bit different is because of the lack of elite talent outside the WR area. This is a deep draft, but since I don't see a ton of generational talent, especially on the OL/DL side, more teams will probably reach for a QB. Especially given most teams aren't going to waste Top-5 draft capital on WRs. This is probably the first year in a long time where an OL/DL won't be in the top -5.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Apr 3, 2024 8:22:36 GMT -7
Well maybe the Cards #27 pick will be a very desired pick for teams to move up ... 2 reasons: 1) A team moving back up in Rd. #1 to draft QB Penix or 2) Bills just traded Stefon Diggs and they are sitting just behind the Cards @ #28.
Assuming the Cards at top of draft get one of the big 3 WR's -- there could be more than a few teams calling Monti for Pick #27 to jump ahead of the Bills and draft a WR.
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Post by End Zone on Apr 3, 2024 8:27:12 GMT -7
Late at night three weeks from tomorrow, starting a little after 8 p.m. on April 26th, we will have some 2024 Draft clarification. Meanwhile, the multi-billion-dollar NFL hype machinery is running full speed. Should I do a mock?
My view is hold onto #4 and take the BPA. However, if NYG's owner really-really-really wants that pick, he must pay for the QB premium. I would not move down farther than NYG and #6. Sorry MIN fans, unless you give up all male children and 100,000 acres of tillable farmland, you're out of the bidding for #4.
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Post by devongent on Apr 3, 2024 12:20:20 GMT -7
Sorry MIN fans, unless you give up all male children and 100,000 acres of tillable farmland, you're out of the bidding for #4. Okay EZ, I'll up the bidding. - Throw in a cuddly toy and a year's supply of the finest Lancashire tripe..... then, Deal with Minnesota?
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 3, 2024 12:21:11 GMT -7
The latest PFF mock draft an hour ago is interesting. They have FIVE QB’s going in the top five, even though we take MHJ at #4. They have a sixth QB, Nix, then going #12 to the Broncos. Vikings trade up to #5 for McCarthy, then the Giants take Penix Jr. That means 6 of the first 12 picks are QBs. That also means Odunze falls to Seattle at #16. Alt #9 to Bears and Fashanu #11. They also have Thomas Jr picked at WR before Odunze. For the trade, the Chargers land #11, #23, #108 and the Vikings 2025 2nd rounder. For our #4 pick, it’s not a stretch to ask for their 2025 1st instead of 2nd. I seem to recall a draft, one in the last decade, where they predicted something like 6 QBs in the first round. I think only two ended up being drafted in the first. While I don't see that happening this year, I think the idea of 4 QBs going in the top 5 is laughable. It could happen but when push comes to shove, most GMs want sure things because their job depends on it. The only reason why this year might be a bit different is because of the lack of elite talent outside the WR area. This is a deep draft, but since I don't see a ton of generational talent, especially on the OL/DL side, more teams will probably reach for a QB. Especially given most teams aren't going to waste Top-5 draft capital on WRs. This is probably the first year in a long time where an OL/DL won't be in the top -5. My opinion is the QB hype this year is driven by two things. 1) Last year was maybe the worst showing of QB1’s across the entire 32 teams I’ve seen in a longggg time. 2) While I don’t see any of the QB’s as generational, there are a large number who are quite good and could have NFL QB1 success. I was listening to a podcast yesterday that discussed how it’s feasible in this draft that 2 or three other guys, like Nix, Penix Jr or Rattler could end up better QB’s than the top four. If there are truly six or seven QB’s that some team’s GM sees as a legit starting QB, and about half the league has mediocre QB’s at best, and several with no QB1 to speak of, it’s a supply/demand issue that will propel some of them up the draft boards.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Apr 3, 2024 13:47:44 GMT -7
I seem to recall a draft, one in the last decade, where they predicted something like 6 QBs in the first round. I think only two ended up being drafted in the first. While I don't see that happening this year, I think the idea of 4 QBs going in the top 5 is laughable. It could happen but when push comes to shove, most GMs want sure things because their job depends on it. The only reason why this year might be a bit different is because of the lack of elite talent outside the WR area. This is a deep draft, but since I don't see a ton of generational talent, especially on the OL/DL side, more teams will probably reach for a QB. Especially given most teams aren't going to waste Top-5 draft capital on WRs. This is probably the first year in a long time where an OL/DL won't be in the top -5. My opinion is the QB hype this year is driven by two things. 1) Last year was maybe the worst showing of QB1’s across the entire 32 teams I’ve seen in a longggg time. 2) While I don’t see any of the QB’s as generational, there are a large number who are quite good and could have NFL QB1 success. I was listening to a podcast yesterday that discussed how it’s feasible in this draft that 2 or three other guys, like Nix, Penix Jr or Rattler could end up better QB’s than the top four. If there are truly six or seven QB’s that some team’s GM sees as a legit starting QB, and about half the league has mediocre QB’s at best, and several with no QB1 to speak of, it’s a supply/demand issue that will propel some of them up the draft boards. I agree with the logic, but I think what's more likely to happen is what happened the last time there were this many QBs slated to go early. Teams will try to take a sure thing with their top picks then trade back into the late first or early second to take the second tier QBs. Guys like Penix/Rattler. It makes more sense because next year's QB crop is also seen as weak. That's yet another reason for us to consider trading back. Most folks want to give Kyler another year, but if they are wrong about him, we might not find a decent replacement for him next year. Trading back would allow us to address all our holes and still leave us a chance to get a guy like Rattler/Nix if they last to the end of round 1 or round 2. I just don't think more than 4 QBs are going in the top-10. The good news is with McCarthy shooting up so much, it's going to drop Nix/Rattler, etc... further than we thought. IMO.
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Post by End Zone on Apr 3, 2024 16:08:16 GMT -7
Sorry MIN fans, unless you give up all male children and 100,000 acres of tillable farmland, you're out of the bidding for #4. Okay EZ, I'll up the bidding. - Throw in a cuddly toy and a year's supply of the finest Lancashire tripe..... then, Deal with Minnesota? Okay MIN, you can have the #4, but on the condition that the male kids eat their vegetables, the acreage is one parcel, and the cuddly toy is not a Viking girlfriend who likes ice fishing. Finest Lancashire tripe, that' an oxymoron, right? (bold text).
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Post by devongent on Apr 4, 2024 3:32:36 GMT -7
Finest Lancashire tripe, that' an oxymoron, right? And here's some more (comic) tripe for you; The Fosdyke Saga (the true dynasty of all things tripe!). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fosdyke_SagaThe creator, Bill Tidy, is widely regarded as the greatest cartoonist of them all, and a funny guy too. One video of his presentation/ work -
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Post by NorthernSoul on Apr 4, 2024 3:54:29 GMT -7
My dad used to eat tripe. I would leave the house when it was being cooked as it smelled as awful as it probably tasted. Which is a round about way of saying I would be disappointed if the Cards moved down any lower than about 8 and didn't get one of the top three WRs, and hence wouldn't risk it, so hope they stay put and take MHJ
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Post by End Zone on Apr 4, 2024 5:42:46 GMT -7
Finest Lancashire tripe, that' an oxymoron, right? And here's some more (comic) tripe for you; The Fosdyke Saga (the true dynasty of all things tripe!). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fosdyke_SagaThe creator, Bill Tidy, is widely regarded as the greatest cartoonist of them all, and a funny guy too. One video of his presentation/ work - Watching Bill Tidy draw a comedy figure reminded me of Pablo Picasso's lovely human creatures. These men used their ink pens and charcoal sticks in different ways and for different purposes. Both men created interesting figures in seconds. Tidy mastered exaggeration. Picasso mastered proportion. Elevating Tidy's work to the Picaso level is no stretch for me. Both earned my accolades.
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 4, 2024 10:22:28 GMT -7
This thread went down a rabbit hole 🤣
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Post by JAB on Apr 4, 2024 11:45:50 GMT -7
If we're keeping Kyler Murray we can't trade back unless Marvin Harrison Jr is no longer on the board.
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