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Post by biggs on Jun 15, 2018 9:26:17 GMT -7
The guy has made over a 140 million based on his arm talent. He is a journeyman NFL QB because he has one of the worst TD to pass attempts ratio's in football history. Could it be that his TD ratio is so poor because he has played with elite RBs and his team would tend to run it in instead of pass when in the red zone? He had the likes of Stephen Jackson, Demarco Murray, Darren Sproles, and Adrian Peterson lining up behind him.... No, that would account for a low TD total coupled with less passing attempts and less yards. That should not impact his TD's to pass attempts which is horrendous. It's not bad it's among the worst against his contemporaries and among the worst in the entire history of the NFL. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 8:17:50 GMT -7
not true at all...so many exceptions to this gloss...and it is a big gloss at that...
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Post by Boomer on Jun 16, 2018 10:53:41 GMT -7
not true at all...so many exceptions to this gloss...and it is a big gloss at that... Biggs hates the Bradford signing. His hatred is so strong that if Bradford won the Super Bowl for us but not the MVP, he'd cite that as the reason why Bradford is garbage. No changing his mind on this during the pre-season and there is no telling what SB will need to do during the regular season to sway him. |
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Post by rfip on Jun 16, 2018 11:49:20 GMT -7
Could it be that his TD ratio is so poor because he has played with elite RBs and his team would tend to run it in instead of pass when in the red zone? He had the likes of Stephen Jackson, Demarco Murray, Darren Sproles, and Adrian Peterson lining up behind him.... No, that would account for a low TD total coupled with less passing attempts and less yards. That should not impact his TD's to pass attempts which is horrendous. It's not bad it's among the worst against his contemporaries and among the worst in the entire history of the NFL. LOL, what he actually has is one of the lowest int/att %'s in NFL history, along with the (now) the second highest single season completion % in NFL history.
Also, since he went to Philly, coming off two straight ACL injuries where he hadn't played a down in 2 years, it took him 6-7 games to get back to shape but his last 7 games in Philly hi QBR was 112, then 99.3 year 1 in Minny, then off to a ridiculous start year 2 in Minny (124.4).
You can rag on him all you want but two FACTS will ring true this season; Bradford will play VERY well for Arizona and, a la Leinert, it won't matter because they will HAND the job to Rosen for no reason. Sadly, unlike Kurt, Sam won't be aloud to hang around to "win" back what WILL BE taken from him, they will make sure to remve his threat and trade him away.
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Post by biggs on Jun 17, 2018 8:47:47 GMT -7
not true at all...so many exceptions to this gloss...and it is a big gloss at that... Biggs hates the Bradford signing. His hatred is so strong that if Bradford won the Super Bowl for us but not the MVP, he'd cite that as the reason why Bradford is garbage. No changing his mind on this during the pre-season and there is no telling what SB will need to do during the regular season to sway him. I do hate signing. I've been very clear on why. I think it was a waste of money. If he plays and wins I will totally support him. I also would hate to see him hurt. If he starts for us I absolutely want him to succeed and do well. I'm a Cardinal fan. There's a difference between what I think is best for the team and personal hatred toward a player. I think Rosen starting and learning is the fastest way for us to win a SB. I've stated my opinion on Bradford. I have never once said if he starts I wan't him to fail. That's an absurd accusation on your part. Unfortunately it's not beneath you, it's your standard MO. FYI when Bradford leads us to a playoff game it will be the first time he ever did it. |
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Post by CrazyCanuck on Jun 17, 2018 9:56:50 GMT -7
Biggs hates the Bradford signing. His hatred is so strong that if Bradford won the Super Bowl for us but not the MVP, he'd cite that as the reason why Bradford is garbage. No changing his mind on this during the pre-season and there is no telling what SB will need to do during the regular season to sway him. I do hate signing. I've been very clear on why. I think it was a waste of money. If he plays and wins I will totally support him. I also would hate to see him hurt. If he starts for us I absolutely want him to succeed and do well. I'm a Cardinal fan. There's a difference between what I think is best for the team and personal hatred toward a player. I think Rosen starting and learning is the fastest way for us to win a SB. I've stated my opinion on Bradford. I have never once said if he starts I wan't him to fail. That's an absurd accusation on your part. Unfortunately it's not beneath you, it's your standard MO. FYI when Bradford leads us to a playoff game it will be the first time he ever did it.And that will be because the other 10 guys on "O" will have done their jobs consistently and that the "D", which he has no control over have performed well. As it is and has been for every QB since the dawn of the NFL. If that were not the case, Dan Marino would have ring, ring, rings. |
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Post by biggs on Jun 17, 2018 10:34:28 GMT -7
I do hate signing. I've been very clear on why. I think it was a waste of money. If he plays and wins I will totally support him. I also would hate to see him hurt. If he starts for us I absolutely want him to succeed and do well. I'm a Cardinal fan. There's a difference between what I think is best for the team and personal hatred toward a player. I think Rosen starting and learning is the fastest way for us to win a SB. I've stated my opinion on Bradford. I have never once said if he starts I wan't him to fail. That's an absurd accusation on your part. Unfortunately it's not beneath you, it's your standard MO. FYI when Bradford leads us to a playoff game it will be the first time he ever did it.And that will be because the other 10 guys on "O" will have done their jobs consistently and that the "D", which he has no control over have performed well. As it is and has been for every QB since the dawn of the NFL. If that were not the case, Dan Marino would have ring, ring, rings. Dan Marino had a 142 and 93 record and took mediocre to bad teams to 18 playoff games including a SB. |
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Post by End Zone on Jun 18, 2018 2:54:24 GMT -7
It will be great if Wilks can somehow resurrect this Bradford:
"In 2010, his first season in the NFL, Bradford set the record for most completions by a rookie in NFL history, which helped earn him the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year award."
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Post by biggs on Jun 18, 2018 7:41:50 GMT -7
It will be great if Wilks can somehow resurrect this Bradford: "In 2010, his first season in the NFL, Bradford set the record for most completions by a rookie in NFL history, which helped earn him the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year award." 16 players drafted in the first round in 2010 made the pro bowl at least once. Sam Bradford isn't one of them. The question really is can Bradford manage our team as it's made up to the playoffs? Is the best way to develop Rosen to sit him? This is now Rosen Team. We should be all in on developing him. Sam Bradford is either a tool for his development or he is a tool to hold him back. Philadelphia made the decision that having him wasn't the best way to develop Wentz and they traded him. They did it right. That doesn't mean Rosen needs to start from day 1 unless he should. |
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Post by End Zone on Jun 18, 2018 17:17:16 GMT -7
It will be great if Wilks can somehow resurrect this Bradford: "In 2010, his first season in the NFL, Bradford set the record for most completions by a rookie in NFL history, which helped earn him the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year award." 16 players drafted in the first round in 2010 made the pro bowl at least once. Sam Bradford isn't one of them. The question really is can Bradford manage our team as it's made up to the playoffs? Is the best way to develop Rosen to sit him? This is now Rosen Team. We should be all in on developing him. Sam Bradford is either a tool for his development or he is a tool to hold him back. Philadelphia made the decision that having him wasn't the best way to develop Wentz and they traded him. They did it right. That doesn't mean Rosen needs to start from day 1 unless he should. Bradford had just the one great year in 2010. Then all hell broke loose in 2011 and beyond. Wentz is a waaaay better athlete (until the injury) than Bradford ever was for any team in his 8 year career. No pro bowl selections is an easy call maybe for both of Wentz and Bradford if injuries continues to hobble their performances. It will be great for the NFL if both stay healthy for a full 2018. |
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Post by biggs on Jun 18, 2018 18:11:46 GMT -7
16 players drafted in the first round in 2010 made the pro bowl at least once. Sam Bradford isn't one of them. The question really is can Bradford manage our team as it's made up to the playoffs? Is the best way to develop Rosen to sit him? This is now Rosen Team. We should be all in on developing him. Sam Bradford is either a tool for his development or he is a tool to hold him back. Philadelphia made the decision that having him wasn't the best way to develop Wentz and they traded him. They did it right. That doesn't mean Rosen needs to start from day 1 unless he should. Bradford had just the one great year in 2010. Then all hell broke loose in 2011 and beyond. Wentz is a waaaay better athlete (until the injury) than Bradford ever was for any team in his 8 year career. No pro bowl selections is an easy call maybe for both of Wentz and Bradford if injuries continues to hobble their performances. It will be great for the NFL if both stay healthy for a full 2018. Just so were clear if he is our starter I don't want to see him hurt. I don't like to see anyone hurt on the field, especially our players. FYI Wentz was selected to the pro bowl last year. |
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Post by rfip on Jun 20, 2018 15:15:14 GMT -7
It will be great if Wilks can somehow resurrect this Bradford: "In 2010, his first season in the NFL, Bradford set the record for most completions by a rookie in NFL history, which helped earn him the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year award." 16 players drafted in the first round in 2010 made the pro bowl at least once. Sam Bradford isn't one of them. The question really is can Bradford manage our team as it's made up to the playoffs? Is the best way to develop Rosen to sit him? This is now Rosen Team. We should be all in on developing him. Sam Bradford is either a tool for his development or he is a tool to hold him back. Philadelphia made the decision that having him wasn't the best way to develop Wentz and they traded him. They did it right. That doesn't mean Rosen needs to start from day 1 unless he should. Bradford's career was "resurrected" the minute he got free from the Rams & Jeff Fisher. His last 7 games in Philly were brilliant, as was his first year in Minnesota playing behind as bad an OL as ever constructed. Last year would have been a 15-1, 16-0 season in Minny if not for a heart breaking injury after as dominant week 1 as a QB could have had.
IF the team is good around Sam then the sky is the limit for the 2018 Cards...PERIOD.
It is going to be comical watching all the folks eat their words...
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Post by End Zone on Jun 20, 2018 16:53:02 GMT -7
16 players drafted in the first round in 2010 made the pro bowl at least once. Sam Bradford isn't one of them. The question really is can Bradford manage our team as it's made up to the playoffs? Is the best way to develop Rosen to sit him? This is now Rosen Team. We should be all in on developing him. Sam Bradford is either a tool for his development or he is a tool to hold him back. Philadelphia made the decision that having him wasn't the best way to develop Wentz and they traded him. They did it right. That doesn't mean Rosen needs to start from day 1 unless he should. Bradford's career was "resurrected" the minute he got free from the Rams & Jeff Fisher. His last 7 games in Philly were brilliant, as was his first year in Minnesota playing behind as bad an OL as ever constructed. Last year would have been a 15-1, 16-0 season in Minny if not for a heart breaking injury after as dominant week 1 as a QB could have had.
IF the team is good around Sam then the sky is the limit for the 2018 Cards...PERIOD.
It is going to be comical watching all the folks eat their words...
Speaking for every Cardinals fan, we all appreciate your optimism regarding protection and Sam's knees. He can play if he's healthy. |
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Post by biggs on Jun 21, 2018 8:15:33 GMT -7
16 players drafted in the first round in 2010 made the pro bowl at least once. Sam Bradford isn't one of them. The question really is can Bradford manage our team as it's made up to the playoffs? Is the best way to develop Rosen to sit him? This is now Rosen Team. We should be all in on developing him. Sam Bradford is either a tool for his development or he is a tool to hold him back. Philadelphia made the decision that having him wasn't the best way to develop Wentz and they traded him. They did it right. That doesn't mean Rosen needs to start from day 1 unless he should. Bradford's career was "resurrected" the minute he got free from the Rams & Jeff Fisher. His last 7 games in Philly were brilliant, as was his first year in Minnesota playing behind as bad an OL as ever constructed. Last year would have been a 15-1, 16-0 season in Minny if not for a heart breaking injury after as dominant week 1 as a QB could have had.
IF the team is good around Sam then the sky is the limit for the 2018 Cards...PERIOD.
It is going to be comical watching all the folks eat their words...
Let me get this straight. His last 7 games with Philadelphia was brilliant. His 3 and 4 record was brilliant. It was so brilliant the HC was fired Philadelphia moved up to two and drafted Wentz. Bradford proceeds to demand a trade or hold out when it was clear he was projected as the starter in 2016. Philadelphia takes a long look at Wentz and unloads Bradford 8 days before the season starts to go with a rookie. They proceed to win the SB the next year. Bradford plays 15 games for the Vikings. Sandwiched between Bridewater and Keenum, he didn't take them to the playoffs. They didn't use him when he was healthy in 2016 and they immediately went hard after Cousins when the season ended. Maybe, the Eagles and Vikings know something. They happen to have pretty good management. FYI Mark Sanchez had a pretty good year playing in Philadelphia compared to his career numbers and so did Keenum playing for Shumar. If Sam takes us to the promised land I would be thrilled. Seattle started a rookie and went to the SB twice. Philadelphia went with the rookie and went to the SB the next year. There is no putting off the future in the NFL any longer. The rookie contract coupled with the CBA has radically changed. The team is set up to be very good next year. Bradford won't be here next year. Rosen needs to get in the deep end now. |
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Post by SMITTY on Jun 21, 2018 12:47:59 GMT -7
Rosen needs to get in the deep end now. Sam's knees agree with you. |
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