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Post by supercard on Oct 29, 2020 13:42:53 GMT -7
Thoughts on this bird gang. Sorry to be a downer on this one supercard; I couldn't conceive giving up a first round pick for someone of this age. - You know the guy far better than me, but this feels like a big gamble to win the SB this season (at the expense of the longer term good). So a 'no' from me! If it worked as we would want, we would be drafting down at the end of first round-virtually a 2nd rounder. Valuable sure, but not top 10 or even top 20. He has just turned 30 so has at least 2 years at or near peak. We will have to disagree on this one.
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Post by devongent on Oct 29, 2020 16:26:53 GMT -7
We will have to disagree on this one. Fair enough. It would be a boring forum if everyone thought the same! If it worked as we would want, we would be drafting down at the end of first round-virtually a 2nd rounder. There will be some real good talent even in the lower reaches of the First Round. - I am confident that there must be some excellent prospects still available. - Risk of picking a dud in the draft v risk of taking a vet who certainly will be high cost financially and possibly on the wane performance wise? Ultimately, you pay your money and make your choice! I wonder what Steve Keim might be thinking/ prepared to do? - In an ideal world I would like us to keep hold of our top three draft picks (certainly the top two). I am up for trading our 5th and 7th rounders; this is on the assumption that we can get in a couple of decent talents that will give our roster an immediate boost. I don't believe that you always need to 'spend big' in order to find an experienced player who can come in and do a real good job. Maybe someone like Kenny Stills might well fall into this category? Add in a younger talent (say, for example, the previously mentioned David Njoku) then combined together they could really pep up our offense for the remainder of this season and beyond. - In this scenario we would retain some real firepower for the draft and also keep a lid on the salary cap. Anyway (as always) just my opinion. - You might well be correct supercard. If we do go down your particular route then lets all hope it leads us to the NFC Championship! EDIT: At Cornerback; I am looking forward to seeing 'The Prince' don the Cardinal shirt. - He should be near 'ready to go' after the bye week. What do you feel about him (can he do us a decent job and add to our out-wide defense)?
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Post by supercard on Oct 29, 2020 19:12:34 GMT -7
Well let’s hope Prince has something left for this season. We will need him.
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Post by belac44 on Oct 29, 2020 21:19:47 GMT -7
Well I brought JJ Watt up before any rumors about he and Cards and now it is reported he is a trade target for Cards. Making that happen is a whole other deal.
They would not expect a first for him, that is just not even an option.
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Post by devongent on Oct 30, 2020 1:35:31 GMT -7
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Post by supercard on Oct 30, 2020 4:43:40 GMT -7
Howard would be even better option then Gilmore at this point.
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Post by devongent on Oct 30, 2020 6:38:34 GMT -7
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Post by CardsFanQC on Oct 30, 2020 6:41:40 GMT -7
I always talk about getting FA's or trades with guys entering their physical peak - Howard is 27 so he has 4 solid years left and his cap # until 2024 stays relatively level at $13M which for a guy rated this year at 80 by PFF ... it is a bargain. SK likes to trade 2nd round picks for big time talent and has been successful doing this (CJ - Hopkins). The Cards MUST use their top 2 round draft picks for 3-4 OLB and CB so Howard would "solve" one of those needs. If Cards are thinking of going to a 4-3 defense then Q. Williams should definitely be looked at IMO.
The other thing to ponder is an acquisition of Howard for a 2nd rounder would actually be a pick in the 50's if Cards win 10 games this year ... and so I would love this transaction.
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Post by cardinalsins on Oct 31, 2020 17:49:18 GMT -7
From the article:
Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reported the New York Jets would consider offers, but it could take multiple draft picks to get it done. Arizona general manager Steve Keim was reportedly a fan of Williams when the Cardinals held the first overall pick in the 2019 draft
I like this move, but as always, it depends on cost. Originally, I was all for Kerrigan, but while he's still good, a younger talent may prove to be the better long term play.
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Post by End Zone on Oct 31, 2020 18:14:24 GMT -7
From the article: Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reported the New York Jets would consider offers, but it could take multiple draft picks to get it done. Arizona general manager Steve Keim was reportedly a fan of Williams when the Cardinals held the first overall pick in the 2019 draft I like this move, but as always, it depends on cost. Originally, I was all for Kerrigan, but while he's still good, a younger talent may prove to be the better long term play. Williams was a Keim head fake. Murray was his man all the way in 2019. It's also hard to imagine just how awful the Cardinals would right now be if Rosen was still the QB. Does anyone think Rosen could hold Murray's jock strap today?
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Post by End Zone on Oct 31, 2020 18:17:35 GMT -7
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 1, 2020 7:27:18 GMT -7
Q Williams would make my month.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Nov 1, 2020 12:27:24 GMT -7
Q Williams would make my month. I was a fan of Williams, but I think corner is a bigger need. I also think, given we added some NT beef late in last years draft, it's just not as critical as it once was. Chandler's injury changed my calculus and I think Golden is just a stopgap. For me, if I'm grading our defense in terms of where we stand going into next year, assuming we don't resign PP. CB weakest (factor losing PP) LB second weakest (this assumes Chandler doesn't return to full strength/plus age) DE/DT - average NT - average Safety - strong Center and CB are our two weakest positions. Center isn't that hard to upgrade via free agency, if we have cap room. CB is harder. Very few shutdown guys come onto the market. When they do they break the bank. If we have a shot to upgrade corner now, when we are in contention, you do anything to close that deal, so long as you don't mortgage the future. I'd be willing to trade Murphy plus a pick for Gilmore. For King/Howard, I'd trade 4th rounder in a heatbeat. For Gilmore, I'd be willing to trade our 1st next year, plus Murphy, so long as we get a 2nd rounder back from Pats, which should be a high second round pick I like QW, but he's a luxury I can't see us affording. Unless he came cheap, which he won't, I'd focus on taking a CB and maybe even Evan Engram, which is rumored to be on the block. The reason I deal Murphy in the package for Gilmore, is we can easily replace a nickel corner next year in the 2nd round. Asante Samuel Jnr is there and makes up for Murphy loss. Having our O-line gel provides so much flexibility, it's unreal. If Josh Jones pans out, we are set up so nicely for a run, especially if we can improve the defense just a little.
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Post by cardinalsins on Nov 2, 2020 9:01:11 GMT -7
Pff grade of 74. Could be a multiple year answer with ramifications with next year's draft.
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Post by azcardsdingus on Nov 2, 2020 9:31:45 GMT -7
Word on the street is that Cardinals are talking w/ LAC about CB Desmond King. I think this would be a great move. I see that as our biggest need.
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