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Post by Rimrock on Sept 17, 2018 16:36:45 GMT -7
Good lord y`all still going on about Starting Rosen?,,,,,,NO......,i`ll let you know when its time,,Half of yas were predicting a 8 to 13 win season,you can`t be trusted with real decisions ..........as you were
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Post by biggs on Sept 17, 2018 16:51:24 GMT -7
Rosen should be playing. Not with McCoy as the OC. Sam and McCoy should be cut and fired this week. Glennon should start against the Bears. Once we have adjusted Rosen should get starts after the bye. You don't put him out their against the Bears D with McCoy's O.
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Post by End Zone on Sept 17, 2018 16:57:33 GMT -7
This Sam Bradford highlights film (above) is from the Eagles era and a couple years old.
This Sam Bradford highlights film (above) is from the Vikings era and the same video that Cards fans got all excited about seeing.
The purpose of my films expose was to see if Sam Bradford has changed his under Center and Shotgun routines in any way and how does he react physically when working hard to pass the ball back then compared to the last two games.
Guys, I can't see anything in the films going back 3-4 years that tips me off on Sam Bradford changing his body position or torquing differently to protect his knees in 2018. I thought I might see something different about him. Nope, nothing obvious.
I did quickly notice a huge difference in all receiving corps, first with the Eagles unit, and then with the Vikings unit, and lastly with the Cards unit. Wow, the Cardinals receiving unit looks like DII college in comparison to PHI and MIN. Is that it? SK bankrolled a bunch of really bad receivers for 2018 (except The Fitz)?
I'm 100% certain the entire Cardinals HC and med staff has already examined the films and fingered every square inch of Bradford's body parts and his med records.
The mystery continues.
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Post by Rimrock on Sept 17, 2018 16:57:42 GMT -7
Rosen should be playing. Not with McCoy as the OC. Sam and McCoy should be cut and fired this week. Glennon should start against the Bears. Once we have adjusted Rosen should get starts after the bye. You don't put him out their against the Bears D with McCoy's O. as long as McCoy is not involved i will entertain propositions ........But McCoy is NOT allowed to touch my Baby boy..........EVER |
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Post by biggs on Sept 17, 2018 17:03:22 GMT -7
Rosen should be playing. Not with McCoy as the OC. Sam and McCoy should be cut and fired this week. Glennon should start against the Bears. Once we have adjusted Rosen should get starts after the bye. You don't put him out their against the Bears D with McCoy's O. as long as McCoy is not involved i will entertain propositions ........But McCoy is NOT allowed to touch my Baby boy..........EVER Maybe the question shouldn't be should we start Rosen, it should be should Rosen be quarantined and sent away from the team for the rest of the season. Maybe we can make a deal for him to live with Coach Arians for the rest of the season. |
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Post by ConnecticutCard on Sept 17, 2018 17:33:37 GMT -7
I don’t think the difference in Bradford is in his body so much as in his eyes, watching the pass rush instead of going through his progressions, and then forcing it to Fitz before he gets hit
I haven’t gone back and watched anything to see if the other guys are really that bad at getting separation but I’m hoping that’s not the case
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Post by Bud Frosty on Sept 17, 2018 18:51:27 GMT -7
SB has no quality WR's (except Fitz) around him, OC won't make any difference. Once they start getting quality players, the OC can start designing plays, we've seen it in Bradford, he can play, maybe not at a HOF level, but certainly at what he did in both Philadelphia and Minnesota.
He was always known as a 'Check down Charlie' in StL, to me that's more a symptom of the wide receivers/tight ends not getting open. The only reason a QB will continually check out of the primary and secondary receivers is because they can't get open. Sam Bradford IMO was a bust as far as 1st pick, he can play, but not at a consistently high level.
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Post by SMITTY on Sept 17, 2018 19:17:36 GMT -7
If we insist on holding back Rosen for next year, why not hold back Johnson and Kirk to make sure they aren't damaged by our bad play this season? Let them all go practice together to gain chemistry. j/k
We are wasting the David Johnson years.
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Post by Raze on Sept 17, 2018 19:49:30 GMT -7
SB has no quality WR's (except Fitz) around him, OC won't make any difference. Once they start getting quality players, the OC can start designing plays, we've seen it in Bradford, he can play, maybe not at a HOF level, but certainly at what he did in both Philadelphia and Minnesota. He was always known as a 'Check down Charlie' in StL, to me that's more a symptom of the wide receivers/tight ends not getting open. The only reason a QB will continually check out of the primary and secondary receivers is because they can't get open. Sam Bradford IMO was a bust as far as 1st pick, he can play, but not at a consistently high level. I disagree about the WRs. On one particular 3rd down play, two WRs ran routes that curled out on the same side. One went 5 yards short of the first down and was blanketed by his man, the other (Chad Williams?) ran his route 5 yards past the 1st down marker and was open. Sam looked to his right with both targets clearly in his field of vision. He checked down and the ball was knocked away. Absolutely no way is that on the WRs for being open and Sam not getting them the ball. This mess lies firmly on either Sam or McCoy if he's allowing this gutless offense. (Dang, I'm missing the biscuit). Great QBs make WRs great. NEVER the other way around. You can bring in whoever you want at WR, it won't make a difference when your QB is playing as scared as Sam is right now. Our WR corps accounts for a low percentage of the offensive concerns. QB is #1 (60%). Play calling #2 (35%). WR issues can share the remaining 5% with our RT. |
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Post by aris on Sept 17, 2018 20:42:44 GMT -7
SB has no quality WR's (except Fitz) around him, OC won't make any difference. Once they start getting quality players, the OC can start designing plays, we've seen it in Bradford, he can play, maybe not at a HOF level, but certainly at what he did in both Philadelphia and Minnesota. He was always known as a 'Check down Charlie' in StL, to me that's more a symptom of the wide receivers/tight ends not getting open. The only reason a QB will continually check out of the primary and secondary receivers is because they can't get open. Sam Bradford IMO was a bust as far as 1st pick, he can play, but not at a consistently high level. I disagree about the WRs. On one particular 3rd down play, two WRs ran routes that curled out on the same side. One went 5 yards short of the first down and was blanketed by his man, the other (Chad Williams?) ran his route 5 yards past the 1st down marker and was open. Sam looked to his right with both targets clearly in his field of vision. He checked down and the ball was knocked away. Absolutely no way is that on the WRs for being open and Sam not getting them the ball. This mess lies firmly on either Sam or McCoy if he's allowing this gutless offense. (Dang, I'm missing the biscuit). Great QBs make WRs great. NEVER the other way around. You can bring in whoever you want at WR, it won't make a difference when your QB is playing as scared as Sam is right now. Our WR corps accounts for a low percentage of the offensive concerns. QB is #1 (60%). Play calling #2 (35%). WR issues can share the remaining 5% with our RT. Maybe PM or Brady would do great even with the WR group we have but it's Sam Bradford. combine Sam Bradford with our WR group and it's just bottom feed all the way around. I'm not high by any stretch on the play calling but this is an extremely limited offense and most of that falls on Steve Keim. |
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Post by rdo3 on Sept 17, 2018 20:50:20 GMT -7
If we insist on holding back Rosen for next year, why not hold back Johnson and Kirk to make sure they aren't damaged by our bad play this season? Let them all go practice together to gain chemistry. j/k We are wasting the David Johnson years. everyone could see it coming. that's why I tried to start a trade nor paid bandwagon for dj. there is no way he is going to earn half what we paid him. he was a product of the arians scheme that stretched the field and drew everybody away from him. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 21:34:37 GMT -7
The more I think about it, I've come to suspect the real problem rests with coaching. Bradford has always performed as good as other QB's. The question and constant reference going into the season has always been his ability to withstand and avoid injury......not his playing abilities. Now all of a sudden with us he's looking like check down Leinart. I just can't believe a quality QB's abilities would just disappear like that unless it has something to do with the conditions he has to work under.
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Post by rdo3 on Sept 17, 2018 21:51:23 GMT -7
he is doing exactly what the coaches are asking him to do. it is poor coaching. that's why I don't want them giving rosen bad habits.
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Post by SMITTY on Sept 17, 2018 22:08:50 GMT -7
Treat the rest of the year as extended preseason for next year. Give Rosen a quarter or a half to see if he can get past the 50 freakin yard line. We got nothing to lose. Stop treating the kid like he's a fragile toy....it's the NFL.
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Post by equilibrium on Sept 17, 2018 22:43:18 GMT -7
 He definitely looks ready.... |
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