SMITTY
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Post by SMITTY on Sept 16, 2018 20:03:07 GMT -7
Bidwill will hear the hometown boos next week if Sam continues to struggle.
Pick your strategy, any strategy. Your strategy must score points.
This is coming to a head much quicker then I expected.
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Post by letbob on Sept 16, 2018 20:22:31 GMT -7
If the play calling scheme doesn't improve.....and these receivers don't start creating some separation....it won't matter who is at QB.
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Post by flash on Sept 16, 2018 20:55:12 GMT -7
Do we really want to wait till next season to put Rosen in?
Troy Aikmans first season, the cowboys won one game that season. Troy did not play the game they won. He lost 15 games his first season. His second season, they won 7 games. His third season they won 9 games. His fourth season they won thirteen games.
Aikman was one of the better QB's in history. Didn't the Cowboys win 3 Super Bowls under him? It took Aikman, his fourth season to really break out. If Rosen is our QB of the future, start his learning curve now, not next year. Am I comparing Rosen to Aikman? No way. But if Rosen is going to be our QB of the future, get him in there and let him take his beating up now. He is going to get beat up now or next year regardless, so why not get him in there to get past that?
If Bradford was getting 200 yards per game, I would say, keep him in there and see if it could be fixed. But only 6 points last week and 0 points this week is not acceptable. 153 yards last week and 90 yards this week passing? Those are individual WR stats, not QB stats.
Rosen needs to be put in now and start his learning curve. Why do we need to wait till next season for that? Let Rosen get in there even if he loses every game, just like Aikman did his first season. The way Bradford is playing right now, he is going to lose every game he plays. And since he is not our QB of the future, let Rosen take the losses and gain experience.
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Post by Raze on Sept 16, 2018 21:33:02 GMT -7
Do we really want to wait till next season to put Rosen in?
Troy Aikmans first season, the cowboys won one game that season. Troy did not play the game they won. He lost 15 games his first season. His second season, they won 7 games. His third season they won 9 games. His fourth season they won thirteen games.
Aikman was one of the better QB's in history. Didn't the Cowboys win 3 Super Bowls under him? It took Aikman, his fourth season to really break out. If Rosen is our QB of the future, start his learning curve now, not next year. Am I comparing Rosen to Aikman? No way. But if Rosen is going to be our QB of the future, get him in there and let him take his beating up now. He is going to get beat up now or next year regardless, so why not get him in there to get past that?
If Bradford was getting 200 yards per game, I would say, keep him in there and see if it could be fixed. But only 6 points last week and 0 points this week is not acceptable. 153 yards last week and 90 yards this week passing? Those are individual WR stats, not QB stats.
Rosen needs to be put in now and start his learning curve. Why do we need to wait till next season for that? Let Rosen get in there even if he loses every game, just like Aikman did his first season. The way Bradford is playing right now, he is going to lose every game he plays. And since he is not our QB of the future, let Rosen take the losses and gain experience.
Just Sayin
Once more, by my unofficial count: - 23 current starting QBs started 7 to 16 games their rookie year.
- 9 players rode the bench for more than half of their rookie season (Taylor, Brady, Mahomes, Rivers, Rodgers, Cousins, Brees, Fitzpatrick, Jimmy G)
- 3 of those were behind HoFers (Rodgers, Rivers, and Jimmy G) and 2 were behind possible HoFers (Brady and Mahomes)
- Cousins was in a unique situation behind Griffin, Taylor wasn't supplanting Flacco (won SB in 2012), and Brees was behind Doug Flutie
- Fitzpatrick was the only one behind a poor QB (Bulger)
My point? It would be extremely unique for Josh to miss more than half of this season behind a QB as awful as Sam (1 out of 32 or 3%). |
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Post by bigredgang on Sept 16, 2018 21:33:33 GMT -7
I’d fire McCoy before getting Rosen in there. MCoys creativity for this offense is like watching Heinz ketsup pour out of the bottle. That's a complete insult to Heinz ketchup. That is a lot more exciting than McCoy's offense. |
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Post by Rimrock on Sept 16, 2018 21:39:12 GMT -7
I’d fire McCoy before getting Rosen in there. MCoys creativity for this offense is like watching Heinz ketsup pour out of the bottle. That's a complete insult to Heinz ketchup. That is a lot more exciting than McCoy's offense. BWAAAAAAAAAA  |
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Post by jonlp24 on Sept 17, 2018 0:43:53 GMT -7
We've seen enough: Arizona Cardinals should start Josh Rosen at quarterback There are innumerable ways to tell that story through numbers, but the most startling and important one is this: The Cardinals have been outscored 58-6 this season. When he was hired last January, coach Steve Wilks called his new job a “retool” rather than a rebuild. Two weeks in, it looks more like a throwback to the post-Kurt Warner years, or the nearly two decades at Sun Devil Stadium. “Lot of things we need to address moving forward,” Wilks said Sunday. That's an understatement. Wilks has more items to address than a wedding planner for the Kennedys. The Cardinals gained five first downs, tied for the fewest in franchise history since 1950. Sam Bradford passed for 90 yards, fewest since Ryan Lindley lit the Jets up for 72 yards in 2012. The defense yielded more than 400 yards in both games. The Cardinals trailed 19-0 at halftime and didn’t cross midfield until there were 30 seconds left in the game. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.azcentral.com/amp/1324645002 |
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Post by biggs on Sept 17, 2018 6:57:02 GMT -7
I loved the shot of Rosen on the sidelines. A) He wasn't picking his nose. B) the team was putting him to sleep. You can't teach that kind of perfect sideline demeanor. He's ready.
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Post by rdo3 on Sept 17, 2018 7:04:50 GMT -7
biggs you leave him asleep. I don't want wilks ruining our future like he has our present. mitts off the future.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Sept 17, 2018 7:37:16 GMT -7
Only 5 teams EVER have gone 0-3 and made it to playoffs and the Cards won't be #6. I believe Rosen will start either this Sunday or the following vs. 49ers (rookie QB's almost always make debut at home instead of the road) ... the only reason I think they may hold off one more week is Mack vs. Wetzel ... yikes !!!
Bradford looks like he just wants to cash his money and the ball out of his hand on any throws over 10-12 yds looks very weak with little zip causing the inaccuracy.
Michael B. though needs to prevent fan apathy after only 1 home game so there is a chance Rosen will start on Sunday -- ok with me as long as a TE is chipping Mack on every pass play.
P.S. Maybe the offense would do better if they simplified the offense to just 30-40 plays of which Rosen has perfected.
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Post by CardCore on Sept 17, 2018 7:59:33 GMT -7
M. Bidwill has to think about the risks involved with presenting this "product" week after week. They just spent the last 5 seasons putting competitive product on the field and now are in the process of pissing away any and all progress they made. I feel bad for the perennial season ticket holders. If I was one I'd be hotter than hell. If you went to a restaurant and ordered a ribeye steak with all the fixings and they brought you out a steaming pail of puke how many times would you go back?
We all know the definition of insanity and that it applies to what McCoy/Bradford are serving up on Sundays. How long before Wilks or Keim or Bidwill himself has to step in and put their foot down on that nonsense? I'm starting to think the Cards need to make every possible effort to get their mitts on Josh Gordon, pair him up w/ Larry and DJ, yank SB and put in Rosen. Personally I don't care to see Glennon in action, but he'd have to be an improvement over Bradford. I think Sam is damaged goods and just needs to retire.
The only problem with that plan is Gordon would have to want to commit to a team that's worse than the Browns.
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Post by One_Heartbeat on Sept 17, 2018 8:03:45 GMT -7
Bidwell will hear the hometown boos next week if Sam continues to struggle. Pick your strategy, any strategy. Your strategy must score points. This is coming to a head much quicker then I expected. I'll handle that one. The strategy is "everybody go out for a pass". That one's free, if McClown wants any more ideas it's going to cost a couple of bucks. |
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Post by One_Heartbeat on Sept 17, 2018 8:08:34 GMT -7
M. Bidwill has to think about the risks involved with presenting this "product" week after week. They just spent the last 5 seasons putting competitive product on the field and now are in the process of pissing away any and all progress they made. I feel bad for the perennial season ticket holders. If I was one I'd be hotter than hell. If you went to a restaurant and ordered a ribeye steak with all the fixings and they brought you out a steaming pail of puke how many times would you go back? We all know the definition of insanity and that it applies to what McCoy/Bradford are serving up on Sundays. How long before Wilks or Keim or Bidwill himself has to step in and put their foot down on that nonsense? I'm starting to think the Cards need to make every possible effort to get their mitts on Josh Gordon, pair him up w/ Larry and DJ, yank SB and put in Rosen. Personally I don't care to see Glennon in action, but he'd have to be an improvement over Bradford. I think Sam is damaged goods and just needs to retire. The only problem with that plan is Gordon would have to want to commit to a team that's worse than the Browns. That's me, but I've been going to the games for 25 years or so. So I have only myself to blame. That said, from time to time I have put conditions on my return from time to time and they've always happened so I always re-upped (whether I would have actually walked is probably another matter but you're just going to have to trust me that I would have). So my condition this year will be in the extreme likelihood that this dumpster fire rages out of control all season, Keim can't survive a housecleaning. He will have to walk the plank with the coaching staff and players that he picked. I'm already pissed that he survived his idiotic DUI, so he's dead to me.
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Post by cardsfan88 on Sept 17, 2018 15:29:33 GMT -7
It's time for Rosen because IF by some slim chance he is the spark this offense needs, he is coming in at a time when the team still has a reason to be competitive. Waiting until we are 0-7 or 0-10 means putting Rosen into essentially a bunch of preseason/meaningless games. That is not a real measure of what he has to offer.
Put him in against the Bears. We have 2 home games in a row. If Rosen can find a way to win 1 of them, then at least we have something to watch the rest of the season.
I don't care if we end up 2-14....I want to know what our #1 pick needs to be used on. If we give Rosen 14 games and he sucks, then we have to pick another QB with the #1 pick. If Rosen shows he belongs in the league, then we can start trading and accumulating picks to build around Rosen for the future.
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Post by rdo3 on Sept 17, 2018 15:49:48 GMT -7
if you saddle rosen with these game plans he is gonna suck and that's not fair to him. wilks should not be given the chance to damage our future. you wanna see rosen look at preseason tapes. and if you need to see and have the ability to make changes based on what you see you wouldn't see rosen even if he was on the field. evidently you cant see wilks and the real change that needs to be made. get rid of wilks 1st then we'll discuss letting you see rosen.
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