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Post by Zaz on Sept 3, 2018 15:38:48 GMT -7
Im going in circles with this. Either im failing to adequately explain. Or everybody else is failing to understand the concept. This has nothing to do with football. Or sports. This is a very general principle that points to extreme incompetence. You spend an immense about of resources and coming to a decision (regarding any topic) And ultimately that decision is proven wrong 5 minutes after you make it. Logically, that means your entire decision making process what extremely flawed. Thats my point. No you didn't need to explain. I get it. I will say the process of OTAs, training camp, etc. sure seemed to last a lot longer than five minutes. In relation to an entire year of scouting + millions of dollars, that was essentially 5 minutes These picks were extremely shiney the day you picked them. That glow shouldnt wear off that fast if you did your homework. |
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Post by JAB on Sept 3, 2018 17:27:14 GMT -7
No you didn't need to explain. I get it. I will say the process of OTAs, training camp, etc. sure seemed to last a lot longer than five minutes. In relation to an entire year of scouting + millions of dollars, that was essentially 5 minutes These picks were extremely shiney the day you picked them. That glow shouldn't wear off that fast if you did your homework. Bunk IMO.
You never know who is an NFL player until they play in the NFL. Plus not every player is picked as a sure thing more of a we see "maybe" something. I would bet after round 3 most are just a hope and a prayer. You talk as if you do it all right all seven players picked should make the team. If you hit IMHO after round three with anyone it's a job well done.
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Post by bigredgang on Sept 3, 2018 17:57:24 GMT -7
We need to bring in Maclin or Dez. Our WR isn't cutting it right now, and I don't care how much of a headcase Dez has been...he might actually have to be respected by the defense. Right now we do not have a #2 WR, and we have a bunch of guys that may or may not turn into #3's. Bring in Dez on a one year deal. If he refuses than Maclin on a one year deal I agree, and Kendall Wright is also available. The team was obviously worried enough about the receivers to bring in Butler and Little as free agents in the first place. Certainly they expected Butler to stick at least. I'm not sure how they can now be happy with the group they have, who really didn't do much in preseason. I would cut an offensive lineman and bring somebody in. We'd still have 9 of em. |
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Post by Zaz on Sept 3, 2018 20:42:16 GMT -7
In relation to an entire year of scouting + millions of dollars, that was essentially 5 minutes These picks were extremely shiney the day you picked them. That glow shouldn't wear off that fast if you did your homework. Bunk IMO.
You never know who is an NFL player until they play in the NFL. Plus not every player is picked as a sure thing more of a we see "maybe" something. I would bet after round 3 most are just a hope and a prayer. You talk as if you do it all right all seven players picked should make the team. If you hit IMHO after round three with anyone it's a job well done.
10 months research and millions of dollars should amount to more than just hope and prayer. If with all those resources and time, your judgement is still equal to a roll on the roulette wheel, then why do we need you? Just put the players names on a dart board. And what do you mean by "Hit"? Hopefully not you think that means the player is a star. I already said our 1st round pick can be a bust and you cut him the very next year. I dont care about that. The issue is when he cant he even get out of OTAs. Maybe my criteria for research is higher than that of drunky Keim, but ill know nearly everything about my picks when I pick them. Will they be stars long term? That I dont know. But I do know theyll be good enough to crack the 53 year 1 guaranteed. Thats an extremely low bar to meet, by the way |
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Post by JAB on Sept 4, 2018 1:48:13 GMT -7
Bunk IMO.
You never know who is an NFL player until they play in the NFL. Plus not every player is picked as a sure thing more of a we see "maybe" something. I would bet after round 3 most are just a hope and a prayer. You talk as if you do it all right all seven players picked should make the team. If you hit IMHO after round three with anyone it's a job well done.
10 months research and millions of dollars should amount to more than just hope and prayer. If with all those resources and time, your judgement is still equal to a roll on the roulette wheel, then why do we need you? Just put the players names on a dart board. And what do you mean by "Hit"? Hopefully not you think that means the player is a star. I already said our 1st round pick can be a bust and you cut him the very next year. I dont care about that. The issue is when he cant he even get out of OTAs. Maybe my criteria for research is higher than that of drunky Keim, but ill know nearly everything about my picks when I pick them. Will they be stars long term? That I dont know. But I do know theyll be good enough to crack the 53 year 1 guaranteed. Thats an extremely low bar to meet, by the way
Why don't you put in your resume you can do what no NFL team ever has. It's a hit and miss no matter what. It happens in every business not just the NFL. Lots of research and millions goes into a lot of things that don't pan out. Some go south day one. You must be worth billions!!! I would love to read your how to book.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Sept 4, 2018 6:30:43 GMT -7
the nfl draft is a crapshoot for EVERYONE...to start with you cannot see whats inside a person...come on-raise your hand if you had Prescott and Wilson BEFORE the draft as being worthy nfl qb's...tom brady at pic no 199-who projected him as the goat? we notice cards failures more cause they are our team-all teams have bad draft pics-though it does seem that cards are historically bad at drafting. bart starr was drafted in the 17th rd...unitas was cut in camp by steelers and later due to injuries was given a shot by the colts. high draft pic qb's who failed...mirer,leaf,akili smith, Demarcus Russell(bty had one of the greatest combine workouts EVER), joey Harrington, tim couch, manziel, david carr, leinart. john Gilliam was probably gonna beat out bradshaw and become the nfl's first starting black qb until coke brought him down. who really thought montana would be great?
I agree that cards should STOP drafting guys with potential and great measurable-just draft guys who were productive in college.
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Post by In the Cards on Sept 4, 2018 6:49:05 GMT -7
I know this oversimplifies things, but for those who think Keim got lucky with the David Johnson pick should also admit that Keim got unlucky with the Campbell pick.
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Post by NorthernSoul on Sept 4, 2018 7:03:19 GMT -7
the nfl draft is a crapshoot for EVERYONE...to start with you cannot see whats inside a person...come on-raise your hand if you had Prescott and Wilson BEFORE the draft as being worthy nfl qb's...tom brady at pic no 199-who projected him as the goat? we notice cards failures more cause they are our team-all teams have bad draft pics-though it does seem that cards are historically bad at drafting. bart starr was drafted in the 17th rd...unitas was cut in camp by steelers and later due to injuries was given a shot by the colts. high draft pic qb's who failed...mirer,leaf,akili smith, Demarcus Russell(bty had one of the greatest combine workouts EVER), joey Harrington, tim couch, manziel, david carr, leinart. john Gilliam was probably gonna beat out bradshaw and become the nfl's first starting black qb until coke brought him down. who really thought montana would be great? I agree that cards should STOP drafting guys with potential and great measurable-just draft guys who were productive in college. Its a major over simplification but.
Montana was great, due in some part, maybe a large part to the system he was in. Walsh got the best out of him. Had Walsh been coaching Marino...who knows? Maybe it works out, cos Marino was good? But also it could have gone wrong. Then Young struggling in Tampa, but thrives in the more suitable system in SF.
On the other hand David Carr was class, but they just couldn't get him to show that, because the O line was Russ Grimm bad. Had he ben drafted somewhere, where they could at least have given him a chance, things could have been different.
I'm trying to say, sometimes players are drafted because conventional wisdom says player X is better than player Y. But if player Y is better for your system, you have to take player Y. I think too many people are hung up on what other people think, and can then shrug their shoulders and say - everyone had Player X rated higher. He was the obvious pick. (See Chance Warmack, perfect fir for Arians' O line scheme and John Cooper who was perfect for somewhere like Denver or Carolina)
When so much money is on the line, going all Steve Keim (as much as I don't rate him, I cant fault him for this), and trusting your guy that Player Y will fit your team better, only gets howls of dismay. (against this approach, see above Cooper and Warmack :-) ;-) ;-) )
Perfect example. Who had a better 2016 and 2017 draft than the Saints? Nobody came close. This year the same GM trades up at a hefty cost to get a much needed pass rusher. And all the media draft predictors are pulling their hair out, as if they know better. The Saints are given low draft marks, and the pack join together to show how much more they know than the #1 GM over the previous 2 drafts.
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Post by bigredgang on Sept 4, 2018 9:44:49 GMT -7
Other teams cut some of their recent picks too, but people don't pay attention since it isn't us. A lot gets blown out of proportion.
Do I want Keim to stop drafting projects? Yes, absolutely. He's not without fault. But I think we are still in okay shape in terms of drafting.
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Post by Zaz on Sept 4, 2018 10:01:57 GMT -7
10 months research and millions of dollars should amount to more than just hope and prayer. If with all those resources and time, your judgement is still equal to a roll on the roulette wheel, then why do we need you? Just put the players names on a dart board. And what do you mean by "Hit"? Hopefully not you think that means the player is a star. I already said our 1st round pick can be a bust and you cut him the very next year. I dont care about that. The issue is when he cant he even get out of OTAs. Maybe my criteria for research is higher than that of drunky Keim, but ill know nearly everything about my picks when I pick them. Will they be stars long term? That I dont know. But I do know theyll be good enough to crack the 53 year 1 guaranteed. Thats an extremely low bar to meet, by the way
Why don't you put in your resume you can do what no NFL team ever has. It's a hit and miss no matter what. It happens in every business not just the NFL. Lots of research and millions goes into a lot of things that don't pan out. Some go south day one. You must be worth billions!!! I would love to read your how to book.
Im absolutely a better evaluator than alot of NFL front office guys. Problem is I dont have an In. Amos had BA. I dont have a BA. You watched Hard Knocks this season? Hue Jackson is one of the most incompetent people ive ever seen at his job. Yes. Im better than him. Alot of smart football fans are. Again, extremely low bar to meet. This is truly a "who you know" world. |
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Post by CardCore on Sept 4, 2018 11:31:29 GMT -7
Why don't you put in your resume you can do what no NFL team ever has. It's a hit and miss no matter what. It happens in every business not just the NFL. Lots of research and millions goes into a lot of things that don't pan out. Some go south day one. You must be worth billions!!! I would love to read your how to book.
Im absolutely a better evaluator than alot of NFL front office guys. Problem is I dont have an In. Amos had BA. I dont have a BA. You watched Hard Knocks this season? Hue Jackson is one of the most incompetent people ive ever seen at his job. Yes. Im better than him. Alot of smart football fans are. Again, extremely low bar to meet. This is truly a "who you know" world. media1.tenor.com/images/7e96d17af19db7bcb01b0783237bdba8/tenor.gif?itemid=11418194 |
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Post by r1ppedcardfan on Sept 5, 2018 5:43:28 GMT -7
Wow... 6 pages later and still arguing over the same thing. Idk why I keep checking this post thinking it will be about something pertaining to the topic.... smh.
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Post by itancanwa on Sept 5, 2018 7:15:44 GMT -7
You bring in a WR, you cut a WR. I'd take Macklin over JJ any day. He may not be as fast as he once was, but at least he can catch the ball. He doesn't have stone hands like JJ.
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Post by cardstj22 on Sept 5, 2018 17:34:40 GMT -7
The problem is JJ is the only super fast downfield receiver with the 4.3 type blaze. Until they find another, I keep him. He's a good player if he can avoid the drops that have plagued him. Yes I've always enjoyed watching guys run really fast to get to a point where they can drop the ball or have the ball tipped away by a tall, 5'9" DB. Have a better suggestion? I still think Dez Bryant is the best wr out there and not much else. He can still play so why not. |
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Post by cardstj22 on Sept 5, 2018 17:37:08 GMT -7
The problem is JJ is the only super fast downfield receiver with the 4.3 type blaze. Until they find another, I keep him. He's a good player if he can avoid the drops that have plagued him. I would say not being able to hang on to the ball is a problem for a WR. And JJ might have speed on the radar but does he ever really separate himself with the ball? I remember that SEattle game that ended in a 6-6 tie. He was run down in OT. I still want Dez Bryant. Easily the best wr out there. Yes, he has issues but the Cards have a strong enough locker room to handle him. |
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