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Post by pajaro cerebro on Jun 14, 2018 14:57:00 GMT -7
I don't know how you do it, Zaz. You can write one post that gets my dander up and I couldn't disagree with more. And a couple posts later write something so illuminating and helpful that I pound my desk and shout, "WORD!!!"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 18:45:22 GMT -7
David won't be sitting out imhpo. Last year being injured in the 1st game was a shocker to the team And to David. For a whole year he has trained and gotten stronger and is chomping at the bit to prove that 2015 and 2016 were no flukes. That he Is a premier RB on the level of Bell and McCoy. He lost a year of playing time and must maximize what he was left. He fully understands this. The money will come as he proves it again this year. The FO knows this as well. David will have a banner year this season and the Team will ride that success. Get ready for some jukes, jumps, shifts, and stiff arms as "Dividend" is going to payout Huge this year for the Cards. 1500/1000 is very possible and is Not bragging as some posters have said. Dividend is the Real Deal folks! Going to be soo much Fun to watch him run and catch this year. All the debbie downers can keep on selling this team and David Johnson short. It will just make the Ws that much more sweet! Go Cardinals!  |
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Post by cardsfan88 on Jun 14, 2018 21:44:51 GMT -7
I disagree, it's more than just politeness to offer him a deal. I also its not crazy to be talking about this now...when he will become an UDFA next season. If we are not proactive in signing him to a deal and making it known we want him here long term, then we risk another team swooping in and signing him next year. Also: 1. The whole "the smart thing is to jerk him around and just keep tagging him" is something I totally disagree with. David Johnson is the face of this franchise after Larry retires, and you couldn't ask for someone better. He is an awesome person, humble, well spoken, team first player. There is no reason to say he doesn't deserve some sort of longer term deal simply because he is a RB. 2. If we go down the road of tagging him, we are talking about massive cap hits that are out of our control and zero injury protection. Signing him to a deal actually gives the Cards way more flexibility than tagging him. The question is: Do we want David Johnson on this team for the next 3-4 years. Overwhelmingly the answer is yes. So sign him!! 1. Like Tyrann was the face of our D? By no fault of his own (injuries happen) DJ's iconic legacy in AZ spans all of 1 year. You cannot pay a dude a long term mega deal for 1 year. Theres countless players who had 1 good year then got paid and couldnt replicate it. Its in no way wrong to ask a guy to prove it twice before we commit that much money. 2. Actually the tag is way way more flexible. Its a 1 year deal. Fully guaranteed 14M. Whereas if you sign him to a 5 year deal, fine the cap hit per year might be 8-9M, but the guaranteed money will be 40M. If DJ gets hurt or sucks or etc etc we are on the hook for that 40M. EXACTLY what happened with Tyrann. DJ is going to be a Cardinal 3-4 years, period. Leveon and Pitt have been at each others throats for 3 full years. Guess what? Leveon is still a Steeler. I understand your point, but by signing Tyrann to the deal we did, we were able to put clauses in it that allowed us to get off the 19 million dollar hook this year. If we sign DJ to a deal we can put injury protections into it and probably sign him to a much more reasonable deal over 3-4 years. I don't think anyone is even considering giving him a 5 year deal. I have heard it would be a 3 year extension. So we could play the franchise tag bullshit game: 2 million next year, 12 million the next year, and 15 the year after. We would essentially be paying DJ 30 million over the next 3 years, and in years 2 and 3 the second he signs the deal its fully guaranteed. Or we could sign him to a 4 year deal (next year +3 more) for around 35 million with 20 million guaranteed. We could put injury protections in it and an escape clause after year 2 that would allow us to get out of the deal. |
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Post by Boomer on Jun 15, 2018 6:49:41 GMT -7
Most of the talking heads feel the DJ will sign his extension before any of the other hold outs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 8:21:24 GMT -7
The August 7th Date is a Big date for David. If his agent wants him to go past that date David needs to fire that agent. Losing the URFA status next year for a RFA status would cost David way too much. This is why this hold out won't last long.
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Post by 70'sCardFan on Jun 16, 2018 11:32:03 GMT -7
The August 7th Date is a Big date for David. If his agent wants him to go past that date David needs to fire that agent. Losing the URFA status next year for a RFA status would cost David way too much. This is why this hold out won't last long. Yeah when I heard about this I thought IMO that it was kinda dumb that he held out of mini camp to begin with. |
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Post by Rimrock on Jun 16, 2018 11:39:57 GMT -7
humble kids from Iowa hire ruthless agents from the big city.........its all a prosess
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Post by rooseveltcardsfan on Jun 18, 2018 3:38:37 GMT -7
humble kids from Iowa hire ruthless agents from the big city.........its all a prosess I feel you are 100% correct. Unfortunately It is the nature of the business. Hopefully DJ comes out the other side unchanged as much as possible. Other than a new contract that provides security for his family. DJ is a good man, I think it’s fortunate for the Cardinals and fans, that he is with the team. I hope he stays healthy.. |
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Post by cardsfan88 on Jun 18, 2018 11:04:06 GMT -7
humble kids from Iowa hire ruthless agents from the big city.........its all a prosess I feel you are 100% correct. Unfortunately It is the nature of the business. Hopefully DJ comes out the other side unchanged as much as possible. Other than a new contract that provides security for his family. DJ is a good man, I think it’s fortunate for the Cardinals and fans, that he is with the team. I hope he stays healthy.. I just think we would have to ask ourselves what else would you expect someone to do in this situation. If you hire an agent, who is experienced and who you trust to help you make decisions about your career....do you just decide to stop listening to them at the most important point of your career up to this point. DJ has a life changing contract up in the air. If your agent is flat out telling you "We are in negotiations right now, do not step on the field until we finalize a new contract" then why would we expect DJ to disregard that advice, and go on the field during meaningless mini-camps. What if he got hurt during mini-camp and the cardinals took the contract off the table?? Many fans would say "great! We dodged a bullet there! He got hurt and we don't have to pay him". I would feel sick for DJ, because he is an elite football player and I think he deserves to be paid like one. I understand it's a business, and the cards should absolutely construct a contract that works for them and provides protections like they had with HB....but we can't blame a player when they treat it as a business as well. The teams cannot be blameless in the way that contracts are handled with players...and the "Well the players make a lot of money" can only go so far. We should not expect ANYONE to sign contracts that are not in their best interest. DJ is no different. The Cards need to get to work on a 3 year extension, with plenty of injury protections and maybe a potential opt-out after a couple of years. Come up with something that works for both sides and make sure DJ is going to be here through his prime. |
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Post by aris on Jun 24, 2018 21:46:38 GMT -7
I hope Steve learned you dont let your heart dictate contracts.
Let DJ play out his contract. Tag him twice if you need to.
He'll be 29 and pretty well done.
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Post by rooseveltcardsfan on Jun 25, 2018 3:14:00 GMT -7
I hope Steve learned you dont let your heart dictate contracts. Let DJ play out his contract. Tag him twice if you need to. He'll be 29 and pretty well done. DJ has earned a new contract or extension. Hopefully the negotiations are going well. And he will get the security he deserves. Not all players deserve extensions, there are several players that have had the security since the day they were drafted. And haven’t lived up to the rookie contract that they signed. DJ isn’t one of them. Give the man a new deal. I get tired of 1st and 2nd round picks that don’t produce up too there big money contracts, until it’s thier contract year. Sometimes it’s the learning curve that slows down thier contribution to the team, sometimes it’s a plan put in place by the agents. The worst thing that can happen to the team is, drafting a kid that doesn’t contribute because they are trying not to get hurt until they get the second contract. That’s why it is so important to draft quality men, that come in and try to contribute right away. It is a strange situation, and I don’t envy the front offices job to find quality players that will come in and contribute right away. Some of the agents are nitrous for this type of strategy, it’s unfortunate for the team and the fans. DJ isn’t one of these guys (yet) let’s hope he never becomes this type of player. |
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Post by rdo3 on Jun 25, 2018 7:32:51 GMT -7
dj showed high potential, he also showed he can get injured. in 3 years with the team he got about 3200 yards and 32 touchdowns. but his average yards per play has gone down every year. and wilks wants to get away from the long ball and go for quick passes to keep Bradford from taking as many hits and make it easier on the oline. they'll have to block 3-4 seconds not 5-7 . that means the corners and safties are going to be much closer to the line of scrimmage in the coming year. as soon as he gets the ball they'll peel off the receiver to make a play on him. they aren't going to have their backs turned to him 30 yards down field every play any more. he sat out last year with a broken arm / wrist. he doesn't run on his hands. and many players have put on a cast and went back in, even quarterbacks. last year he averaged 2.1 yards per rush down from over 4 yards per rush. he had 11 carries for 23 yards and 6 receptions for 67 yards. so he had only 17 touches for 90 yards, in those 17 plays he had 2 fumbles, one lost. yes its a very small sample from last year and could be statically skewed to hell and back because the sample was so small. but he is smart enough to know that with the corners and safties much closer to the line next year they are going to get to him much quicker. he wont be able to out run corners and safties like the much slower linemen and line backers.
he is not going to beat 2016. he's not even going to match 2016. he wants to pretend his best career year is his average, it's not. its not even close. he's not surprising anyone any more. defenses are ready for it now, they will keep a spy on him because you don't really have to worry about Bradford running and burning you. a lot of players average 1000 years a year. he is not the next barry sanders or eric Dickerson. he's not going to average 200-300 yards per game even tho the defense knows he's getting the ball every time. if you pay him like 2016 is gonna be average that's a free agent lineman you cant get. he didn't put a cast on and try to play....he took the year off then followed that up by sitting out. he's trying to hide what everybody knows, when the coverage only has to cover 5-20 yards not 30-50 yards they are gonna hit him coming out of the backfield a lot sooner. corners and safies are going to be as fast as he is, it's not going to be slower linebackers any more. he's 6'1" and 224 lbs. he is going to have to learn to go down or out of bounds to prevent injuries and fumbles.
and I would rather see the cards guarantee to hire him as a spokesman if he has a career ending injury rather than guaranteeing a huge salary that is going to come out of the cap. it has to be about cap management. he had almost 3X as many yards in 2016 as his other two years combined. you cant pay for once in a lifetime like its going to be every day. you don't have to screw him over, but you don't have to be screwed over by his agent either. his agent knows he's not going to repeat 2016 with more players playing much closer to the line of scrimmage. that's why his agent wants it done before anyone see's whats going to happen when a safety or corner is breaking for him every play, when defenses have made their adjustments and holding him to about 3 yards a run and tagging him as soon as he gets the ball knowing he was fumble prone last year. they are going to be making a play on the ball every play, and if he tries to be a hero and coughs it up trying to get an extra yard or two he could cost us wins. if he wants to prove me wrong, prove that 2015 and 2017 were the exception, that 2016 is the rule he has this year to prove it. but you cant prove anything from home, you have to get out on the field.
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Post by rooseveltcardsfan on Jun 25, 2018 7:50:05 GMT -7
All good points rdo3. That’s why I have always, and still think it’s better to give him an extension not a new contract. Increase his base to 5 million in 2018 with incentives based on performance and availability. I thought about the spokesman opportunity angle also.. and that is definitely an option.. I’d rather he speaks with touchdowns. I really don’t think we are far apart on our views re: this situation. If DJ isn’t interested in a short term extension, then we know what he is about.. just the $$, and that would be disappointing. If that’s the case, let him play out his existing contract. If he has a great year, then franchise him. I just believe it’s not about a big dollar new contract. I think it’s about security for his family. I can’t blame the guy for thinking ahead.
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Post by cardstj22 on Jun 27, 2018 8:27:51 GMT -7
If the Cards play hard ball, they'll have no one to blame but themselves. They need to get this deal done so DJ and Rosen can go win some Super Bowls together.
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Post by End Zone on Jul 4, 2018 10:13:55 GMT -7
It always bugs me when something that could have been done yesterday just drags on and on. Is the DJ contract issue real or imagined?
I mean, what's the hold-up, Stevie? Ya waiting for the NFL endorsements check to clear the bank before offering DJ his share?
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