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Post by CardsFanQC on Jun 12, 2018 10:31:26 GMT -7
I wonder what the club has offered. I agree he has earned an extension, but not a mega deal. It does surprise me a bit, that he is holding out. He is definitely rolling the dice, if the holdout continues he may find himself riding the pine. There is a reason the cards drafted a RB this year. Someone is going to blink, my guess it will be the player. DJ had 1 great year, he may be a great RB. But he hasn’t proved it yet. His age is a factor on a long term deal. It’s unfortunate that he is holding out. I understand business is business. My gut feeling is he just lit a match at the end of that bridge. If he isn’t in camp, he will never get a big contract. I have felt for a while, he would only get a prove it deal if he hits the open market. I don’t think the Cardinals would franchise him. I hope the player will come to his senses, and listened less to his representation. JMHO I keep hearing this about 1 good year and people forget that the only thing which held back DJ in Yr. #1 (2015) was Bruce Arians. Think about this -- DJ only started 5 games in 2015 or his rookie year YET he had over1,000 yds from scrimmage (4.6 yds per carry) and a kickoff return for TD (over 27 yds per kickoff on 22 attempts). Heck he even in 2017 had 90 yds from scrimmage and barely played the 2nd half. The players voted him the 12th best player overall going into 2017.
I looked back at game splits for the 5 games DJ started his rookie year (including a blowout loss vs. Seattle where he sat out much of 2nd half) but in those 5 games he had 658 total yds from scrimmage which extrapolates to 2,106 yds for a season including a career highlight run breaking 7 tackles vs. the Eagles. I know he didn't play much in 2017 due to a freak injury and considering he has played behind an OL which is FAR less talented than L. Bell ... he deserves to get paid.
FWIW: I was at DJ's first game against the Saints where his only play was the game winning 55 yd TD whereby 3 guys for the Saints thought they had the angle on him down the sideline but he was much faster than they thought. My avatar is the electronic recording of that play whereby DJ registered over 22 MPH which I believe was the 2nd fastest of any player that entire season. Unfortunately despite his obvious superior physical ability, BA only gave him an average of about 5 touches per game until starting him late in the season or he very well could have had 2K yds from scrimmage in 2015. SK -- let's get a deal done.
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Post by Zaz on Jun 12, 2018 10:59:59 GMT -7
I used to really like this kid. But not anymore. He’s all about himself and his money. Stopped following him. Every post was an endorsement. He was on GMFB and when asked what his goal was for season he says “same as it’s always been” I’m thinking he’s gonna says Super bowl. Nope. He says “ 1000 yards rushing, 1000 yards receiving “ all about him. I agree the kid needs an extension. But a hold out just turned my opinion. Trade him for a 1st rounder. Roll with Chase. Relax. You know why he posts endorsement ad's every 5 minutes? Because why not. Its free money. Jeez its like you expect him to be a monk. Hes a superstar who gets offered alot of money by companies to push their products, the same as all star athletes. Larry Fitz has made $100M+ in his playing career...yet I still have to see him 100x per sunday in those Bridgestone Tire commercials. I dont support the holdout because 1 season is not proof enough for a mega deal. However dont act holier-than-thou and claim hes "greedy" for doing what all athletes do. Im not a pro athlete but if some company offered me $$$$ to promote their BS, you bet I would. |
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Post by KMDuner on Jun 12, 2018 11:05:54 GMT -7
I used to really like this kid. But not anymore. He’s all about himself and his money. Stopped following him. Every post was an endorsement. He was on GMFB and when asked what his goal was for season he says “same as it’s always been” I’m thinking he’s gonna says Super bowl. Nope. He says “ 1000 yards rushing, 1000 yards receiving “ all about him. I agree the kid needs an extension. But a hold out just turned my opinion. Trade him for a 1st rounder. Roll with Chase. Relax. You know why he posts endorsement ad's every 5 minutes? Because why not. Its free money. Jeez its like you expect him to be a monk. Hes a superstar who gets offered alot of money by companies to push their products, the same as all star athletes. Larry Fitz has made $100M+ in his playing career...yet I still have to see him 100x per sunday in those Bridgestone Tire commercials. I dont support the holdout because 1 season is not proof enough for a mega deal. However dont act holier-than-thou and claim hes "greedy" for doing what all athletes do. Im not a pro athlete but if some company offered me $$$$ to promote their BS, you bet I would. I can agree with that. The endorsements are not a big deal to me, get your money. I chose not to follow. The hold out and all about me and my records is not sitting well with me at all. Really thought he was more of a team guy. |
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Post by atwi80d on Jun 12, 2018 11:14:51 GMT -7
Yeah as really hope he does not get inured like that of Honey Badger there! Good for D.J.
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Post by rooseveltcardsfan on Jun 12, 2018 12:24:58 GMT -7
In this thread, I think it was the 9th post I laid out my thoughts. A 2 year extension is what I proposed. If he hits all the incentives, it would pay him 34 million by the end of the contract. At that point he will be 30 years old. If he is looking for a 4 year extension he would be 32. I think that players should get paid. But any contract should make since to both the club and player. I really want DJ to be a cardinal. I fear that with this holdout, he has damaged his reputation with the FO. I don’t think this will end well for DJ. It saddens me to see this happen to all involved, including the fans. I have lost a little bit of respect for DJ. And that hurts me to say. Is what it is, I guess.
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Post by One_Heartbeat on Jun 12, 2018 12:43:39 GMT -7
I guess it had to happen. Gotta strike while the iron is hot.
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Post by Lopez on Jun 12, 2018 12:46:15 GMT -7
when should it get done? I rather do it now than possibly create a distraction later on. Well, later, obviously. Distractions are overrated. Financial problems are very real. Remember Tyrann? Signed him early. Now we have 19M in dead money. Not saying it would happen with David, but it could. Beanie busted a knee. Ryan Williams busted a knee. RB's play a highly injury prone position. Moreover, at the end of his contract (next year) you can tag him. Then the year after that (2020) you can tag him again if need be. There is 00000000 reason to give him a mega deal today. Would you try to get something done during the season or just wait until end of season? My worry is that if you wait until after the season he'll have his mind made up that he's going to free agency. Then he's less likely to work with the team knowing someone will pay big for him. So the Cards will have to pay even more than what they will if you resign him now, or go with the franchise tag which will inevitably strain the relationship with between team and DJ. |
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Post by Zaz on Jun 12, 2018 13:08:04 GMT -7
Well, later, obviously. Distractions are overrated. Financial problems are very real. Remember Tyrann? Signed him early. Now we have 19M in dead money. Not saying it would happen with David, but it could. Beanie busted a knee. Ryan Williams busted a knee. RB's play a highly injury prone position. Moreover, at the end of his contract (next year) you can tag him. Then the year after that (2020) you can tag him again if need be. There is 00000000 reason to give him a mega deal today. Would you try to get something done during the season or just wait until end of season? My worry is that if you wait until after the season he'll have his mind made up that he's going to free agency. Then he's less likely to work with the team knowing someone will pay big for him. So the Cards will have to pay even more than what they will if you resign him now, or go with the franchise tag which will inevitably strain the relationship with between team and DJ. Couple considerations: 1. We tagged CC twice. Dansby twice. Pitt has tagged Leveon Bell twice. It happens and is normal. Dont cry for the player, they are getting bu-ku money under the tag. Its not ideal for them long term, but its not relationship destroying by any means. 2. Give him his mega deal AFTER the season is a win/win for us because: - what if he gets hurt again this year? Tyrann situation 2.0. We just paid a guy who then goes and gets injured again. - he cant replicate his performance. So we pay him now and he goes out and is Beanie Wells bad. - He proves himself. Say he does play like a superstar again. Great, now we have proof 2016 wasnt a fluke. Deal is worth it. No matter how you look at it, paying him now makes no sense. |
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Post by ~MainEvent~ on Jun 12, 2018 13:12:37 GMT -7
I'm not mad at this one bit But apparently you're still mad at Levi Brown!  My grudges last a lifetime |
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Post by pajaro cerebro on Jun 12, 2018 13:42:16 GMT -7
But apparently you're still mad at Levi Brown! My grudges last a lifetime LOL, in that case, maybe you should figure out how to squeeze D Weed in next to Levi for your avatar... |
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Post by CardsFanQC on Jun 12, 2018 15:48:08 GMT -7
Would you try to get something done during the season or just wait until end of season? My worry is that if you wait until after the season he'll have his mind made up that he's going to free agency. Then he's less likely to work with the team knowing someone will pay big for him. So the Cards will have to pay even more than what they will if you resign him now, or go with the franchise tag which will inevitably strain the relationship with between team and DJ. Pitt has tagged Leveon Bell twice. This is why .... L'veon Bell can't be franchised again so you risk LB signs for BIG money and DJ has great year requiring Cards to go into their deep pockets and beat LB's #'s. Cards are going to build 40% of their offense around DJ so allowing him to have a big year behind a better OL and having to either pay him more next year (instead of his desired security now) or risk possibility to losing him to FA.
Anyone who doesn't know by now DJ is the "real deal" with 2 healthy legs squatting over 600 lbs and having a 46" vertical jump ... the guy is an athletic, talented freak.
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Post by Zaz on Jun 12, 2018 16:13:02 GMT -7
Pitt has tagged Leveon Bell twice. This is why .... L'veon Bell can't be franchised again so you risk LB signs for BIG money and DJ has great year requiring Cards to go into their deep pockets and beat LB's #'s. Cards are going to build 40% of their offense around DJ so allowing him to have a big year behind a better OL and having to either pay him more next year (instead of his desired security now) or risk possibility to losing him to FA.
Anyone who doesn't know by now DJ is the "real deal" with 2 healthy legs squatting over 600 lbs and having a 46" vertical jump ... the guy is an athletic, talented freak.
We can tag DJ twice. Thats 2 more years. If hes a superstar in those 2 years, then pay him his ransom. But thats 2 years of protection for us, if he gets hurt, or sucks, or heck maybe the other RB is a star and DJ is expendable. etc. etc. etc. DJ is going to get paid no matter what......might as well be down the road. No reason to do it today. Nothing to gain. This idea that signing him today before Leveon will "save us money". Do you think DJ or his agent are idiots? They know what Bell is probably getting. You act as if DJ is going to sign a deal for $5M and Bell will get $19M and DJ will be like "aaaww shucks! I didnt ask for enough!". DJ and Bell are getting similar deals whether that be today or next year. Nothing to gain doing it today. We can tag for 2 full years. Its a huge advantage. |
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Post by rooseveltcardsfan on Jun 12, 2018 16:57:11 GMT -7
I don’t see anything wrong with giving DJ some security. It’s a bet for sure. The way I see it is, DJ is going to make 1.9 this year. Let’s Say he has a good year. The cards franchise him next year at 13-14 just a guess. He has another good year so in 2020 if you franchise him again 16-17 just a guess. So with the 1.9 this year and the 30 million +/- for the 2 tags. 32 million total, and DJ probably feel disrespected. Or offer hima 2 year extension totaling 25 with 20 million guaranteed. You could then add 7 million worth of incentives to keep him motivated. They both add up to 32 mil over 3 years. The upside to the extension is, DJ feels respected and well paid. And other players out there watching , can see that the cards are a good club to play for. AND the team is taking care of DJ now.. the question I’m asking is. Has DJ been a good player and teammate? Been good in the community? It’s not always about the Benjamin’s. Sometimes it’s just the right thing to do.
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Post by Rimrock on Jun 12, 2018 17:07:44 GMT -7
DJ gotta do what is good for DJ....don`t blame him a bit,1 big injury is all that stands between superstar and a Nobody...make um show-U-DA Money
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Post by CardsFanQC on Jun 12, 2018 17:09:33 GMT -7
I don’t see anything wrong with giving DJ some security. It’s a bet for sure. The way I see it is, DJ is going to make 1.9 this year. Let’s Say he has a good year. The cards franchise him next year at 13-14 just a guess. He has another good year so in 2020 if you franchise him again 16-17 just a guess. So with the 1.9 this year and the 30 million +/- for the 2 tags. 32 million total, and DJ probably feel disrespected. Or offer hima 2 year extension totaling 25 with 20 million guaranteed. You could then add 7 million worth of incentives to keep him motivated. They both add up to 32 mil over 3 years. The upside to the extension is, DJ feels respected and well paid. And other players out there watching , can see that the cards are a good club to play for. AND the team is taking care of DJ now.. the question I’m asking is. Has DJ been a good player and teammate? Been good in the community? It’s not always about the Benjamin’s. Sometimes it’s just the right thing to do. I want the cap flexibility for 2019-2021 when the Cards will have (hopefully staying healthy) a very good QB on a rookie contract and they need to sign Buc-Golden-Hump at a minimum in that timeframe. By having maximum cap flexibility in those years where they can make a SB run in a competitive division, it will be imperative to spend the available cap on players to plug holes.
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