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Post by End Zone on Oct 30, 2024 12:01:44 GMT -7
What are your thoughts about a package deal? Collins plus a pick for an Edge/DE/DT/CB? Collins is a post in most games. He's standing around, watching teammates maul targets. Here is the thing about Collins. He’s not getting the job done as a pass rusher at OLB. And you want your OLB to get pressures and sacks, right? He is currently ranked 141/191 out of all active edge defenders with a bad 53.9 PFF pass rush grade. However, you also want your guys who can seal the edge and provide run defense. Well, Collins happens to be #5/191 edge defenders at run defense with a sky high 87.8 run defense PFF grade. He’s also #5 at his position in tackles. He’s actually similar to Budda in this way. Budda can’t cover but piles up tackles. You take the good with the bad. We are not good at stopping the run, and it’s one of our bigger defensive weaknesses. Do we really want to lose our best run defender? That's an excellent piece of Collins' analysis, DH, and undoubtedly well known to DC Rallis, HC Gannon, and GM Ossenfort. Hence, Collins plays a lot of snaps against run-oriented teams, and he has not been traded away for a bag of day-old donuts like Simmons was. So, Collins is a master tradesman at stopping the run. He is highly valued on the trade market. And, if Ossenfort was able to entice an equally valued DE or Edge to come our way, the cost to trade would be a wash. The problem is that the Cardinals do not have the ability to replace Collins' contributions to the run defense. Who is ready to step up and fill Collins shoes if he is traded? No one, probably. I see no rookie LB sitting around doing nothing. I got an idea. Let's play DE Darious Robinson this weekend and see what he does for the defense. Maybe he's the next #55 Daryl Washington (minus the weed habits). |
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Post by supercard on Oct 30, 2024 12:41:17 GMT -7
Reported that Monti is actively working phones. Surely for DE. Is he looking for big hitter high end (2nd or a 3rd).Or a solid rotation piece, costing six or seven round pick. Several teams, looking for a defense end and one team in particular the Lions are apparently getting close to swinging in a big deal. Interesting if Monti might be in competition with them if so, he will need to move fast.
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Post by End Zone on Oct 30, 2024 13:10:42 GMT -7
Reported that Monti is actively working phones. Surely for DE. Is he looking for big hitter high end (2nd or a 3rd).Or a solid rotation piece, costing six or seven round pick. Several teams, looking for a defense end and one team in particular the Lions are apparently getting close to swinging in a big deal. Interesting if Monti might be in competition with them if so, he will need to move fast. Got more info on that big deal? |
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Post by Dry Heat on Oct 30, 2024 13:13:52 GMT -7
Here is the thing about Collins. He’s not getting the job done as a pass rusher at OLB. And you want your OLB to get pressures and sacks, right? He is currently ranked 141/191 out of all active edge defenders with a bad 53.9 PFF pass rush grade. However, you also want your guys who can seal the edge and provide run defense. Well, Collins happens to be #5/191 edge defenders at run defense with a sky high 87.8 run defense PFF grade. He’s also #5 at his position in tackles. He’s actually similar to Budda in this way. Budda can’t cover but piles up tackles. You take the good with the bad. We are not good at stopping the run, and it’s one of our bigger defensive weaknesses. Do we really want to lose our best run defender? That's an excellent piece of Collins' analysis, DH, and undoubtedly well known to DC Rallis, HC Gannon, and GM Ossenfort. Hence, Collins plays a lot of snaps against run-oriented teams, and he has not been traded away for a bag of day-old donuts like Simmons was. So, Collins is a master tradesman at stopping the run. He is highly valued on the trade market. And, if Ossenfort was able to entice an equally valued DE or Edge to come our way, the cost to trade would be a wash. The problem is that the Cardinals do not have the ability to replace Collins' contributions to the run defense. Who is ready to step up and fill Collins shoes if he is traded? No one, probably. I see no rookie LB sitting around doing nothing. I got an idea. Let's play DE Darious Robinson this weekend and see what he does for the defense. Maybe he's the next #55 Daryl Washington (minus the weed habits). Really excited to add this piece of the puzzle to our poor run stopping and low pressure defense. He will be a raw rookie and make mistakes, but is also an athletic freak beyond what we have on the roster who will impact both rush defense and eventually pressure and sack numbers. He was drafted to be a true disrupter. |
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Post by CardsFanQC on Oct 30, 2024 14:25:40 GMT -7
Gambo on 98.7 just stated he doesn't believe Jonah Williams NOR Darius Robinson will be ready by Sunday. It looks like they are moving them into practice solely (Jonah apparently was Limited & DRob did NOT practice today) so maybe both will be back after bye ... that looks to be the plan.
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Post by melgray85 on Oct 30, 2024 15:12:46 GMT -7
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Post by Dry Heat on Oct 30, 2024 15:25:39 GMT -7
Gambo on 98.7 just stated he doesn't believe Jonah Williams NOR Darius Robinson will be ready by Sunday. It looks like they are moving them into practice solely (Jonah apparently was Limited & DRob did NOT practice today) so maybe both will be back after bye ... that looks to be the plan. This makes sense and is what I figured would happen. We will see! Glad to hear Jonah may be back sooner rather than later, or at all. The Oline has played 11 different guys and needs its starters and some stability. |
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Post by Dry Heat on Oct 30, 2024 15:39:12 GMT -7
Anyone have thoughts on Chase Young? We all seem to be talking about Ojulari as an Edge target but what about the former #2 pick? The Saints are 2-6, and even more importantly are projected to be in severe cap trouble next season, $72+ million over the cap. They need picks, badly, and Young is on a one year deal and won’t be re-signed. Still only 25, and he’s got 3 sacks, 19 hurries and 30 total pressures. Get him in the system to free up Darius Robinson from double teams and see what happens, give him a long term deal if he fits in here? |
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Post by CardsFanQC on Oct 30, 2024 16:29:55 GMT -7
Reported that Monti is actively working phones. Surely for DE. Is he looking for big hitter high end (2nd or a 3rd).Or a solid rotation piece, costing six or seven round pick. Several teams, looking for a defense end and one team in particular the Lions are apparently getting close to swinging in a big deal. Interesting if Monti might be in competition with them if so, he will need to move fast. Got more info on that big deal? It was discussed today on 98.7 that in a press conference with HC Campbell of the Lions when asked about any movement on a trade replacement for Hutchinson ... he apparently hopped around a bit with a smile on his face but didn't confirm nor deny anything. After seeing the video, Wolf postulated the Lions may already have a deal in place. It has been rumored Z'Darius Smith of the Browns could be on the move (I believe he was a healthy scratch today from practice) and Fowler is reporting the Browns would like a 4th rounder as Smith is not a FA until 2026. Ojulari is a FA in 2025 and so he would be a "rental" which is why I don't think he will cost anything more than a conditional 6th or even at worst a pick swap of a 5th rounder for a Giants 6th rounder and Azeez. |
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Post by melgray85 on Oct 30, 2024 19:22:49 GMT -7
Anyone have thoughts on Chase Young? We all seem to be talking about Ojulari as an Edge target but what about the former #2 pick? The Saints are 2-6, and even more importantly are projected to be in severe cap trouble next season, $72+ million over the cap. They need picks, badly, and Young is on a one year deal and won’t be re-signed. Still only 25, and he’s got 3 sacks, 19 hurries and 30 total pressures. Get him in the system to free up Darius Robinson from double teams and see what happens, give him a long term deal if he fits in here? Sounds good to me...... |
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Post by devongent on Oct 31, 2024 2:57:24 GMT -7
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Post by CardsFanQC on Oct 31, 2024 3:41:35 GMT -7
Ok ... I am not against this move for a 6th rounder or later. Chase Young is 13th amongst 191 Edge players in snaps AND PRESSURES (i.e. EXCELLENT) this year so his pass rush has been disruptive. However his total PFF is only 56 so I can probably assume his run defense stinks. The Cardinal defense has driven me crazy the last 2 games in how many 3rd and 7 yds or greater allowing the opposing offense to make a play and get the first down by one yard or less !! A designated disruptive pass rusher could really help the Cardinal defense to get off the field. Just like the Eagles seem like a pipeline for Georgia players, I would not be against the Cardinals becoming a pipeline for Buckeye's. Chase is only age 25 and so it would definitely appear PJJ and Chase Young probably went at each other in practices in Young's last year. Both Azeez Ojulari and Chase Young would be "rentals" so no more than a 6th rounder (or a 5th for their 6th & player swap) should be offered; however the brother connection for Azeez and Ohio State connections for Young would at least give Monti a seat at the table to discuss signing with the Cardinals for 2025 and beyond. I think Z'Darius Smith is going to the Lions so if I were Monti he should be calling Giants(Azeez Ojulari), Saints (Chase Young) AND his old team the Titans (Harold Landry who is signed thru 2026 with a cap hit of $24M in the next 2 yrs) in that order. One other idea brought out on the JV podcast last night was calling the Dolphins and offering a 7th rounder for Calais Campbell. Calais's professionalism and experience could really help the younger defensive players on the team especially DRob/Zaven/Stills. Cardinals get DRob back on the field soon and acquire Calais along with either Azeez/Young and this defense looks very different with the ability to get off the field on 3rd down. A 3rd down and long defense with Calais/DRob disrupting middle of the line and Zaven with either Azeez/CY increases the teams' odds of getting off the field precipitously. Campbell's Pressure Rate per snap is VERY HIGH (overall PFF is an astounding 86) still at age 38 -- Miami plays AT Buffalo on Sunday so they will be in full "sell" mode on Monday. P.S. Of course I wouldn't have an issue if Monti called the Panthers to see how little they would take for Jaycee Horn whom they'll need to decide on whether to pick up his 2025 5th yr option or not. He is in his 4th yr yet he is currently only age 23 or age 24 for another month (I've seen him listed as being born at end of Nov for 1999 AND 2000 ??). |
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Post by CardCore on Oct 31, 2024 6:01:56 GMT -7
He’s the same size Chandler Jones was when he was here…I’ll take him! |
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Post by devongent on Oct 31, 2024 6:11:17 GMT -7
Both Azeez Ojulari and Chase Young would be "rentals" so no more than a 6th rounder (or a 5th for their 6th & player swap) should be offered; however the brother connection for Azeez and Ohio State connections for Young would at least give Monti a seat at the table to discuss signing with the Cardinals for 2025 and beyond. Azeez is listed at 6' 3" and 240 lbs, hence he has a different physical stature to Chase Young; I would suggest Azeez is a more pure out-and-out Edge rusher (when I looked before he had identical measurements to Reddick). Consequently, these players might not be considered 'interchangeable' by the FO and they may have a strong preference for one over the other. Chase Young has bobbed around between teams and this does make me a little nervous, certainly (it seems) his performance has dropped off from his College stardom/ early NFL Days. It could be there have definite factors involved; hence he could still be a useful player to have on board if 'at the right price'. My gut reaction is that Ojulari would be the better long term option and he could be molded into 'the Reddick role' (how Gannon used him in Philadelphia).With his brother here also, then Azeez is an intriguing prospect to pursue, but the downside is that the Giants don't have to trade him and they themselves could be viewing him as an important player for the future. Just because they are having a less than successful season it doesn't follow that they wish to jettison all their good players/ prospects. - The following piece would suggest they will not part with Azeez cheaply, but then again it could all be 'smoke & mirrors'. www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-giants-unlikely-to-trade-darius-slayton-azeez-ojulari/ar-AA1tbBxF?ocid=BingNewsSerp |
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Post by CardsFanQC on Oct 31, 2024 6:43:10 GMT -7
Both Azeez Ojulari and Chase Young would be "rentals" so no more than a 6th rounder (or a 5th for their 6th & player swap) should be offered; however the brother connection for Azeez and Ohio State connections for Young would at least give Monti a seat at the table to discuss signing with the Cardinals for 2025 and beyond. Azeez is listed at 6' 3" and 240 lbs, hence he has a different physical stature to Chase Young; I would suggest Azeez is a more pure out-and-out Edge rusher (when I looked before he had identical measurements to Reddick). Consequently, these players might not be considered 'interchangeable' by the FO and they may have a strong preference for one over the other. Chase Young has bobbed around between teams and this does make me a little nervous, certainly (it seems) his performance has dropped off from his College stardom/ early NFL Days. It could be there have definite factors involved; hence he could still be a useful player to have on board if 'at the right price'. My gut reaction is that Ojulari would be the better long term option and he could be molded into 'the Reddick role' (how Gannon used him in Philadelphia).With his brother here also, then Azeez is an intriguing prospect to pursue, but the downside is that the Giants don't have to trade him and they themselves could be viewing him as an important player for the future. Just because they are having a less than successful season it doesn't follow that they wish to jettison all their good players/ prospects. - The following piece would suggest they will not part with Azeez cheaply, but then again it could all be 'smoke & mirrors'. www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-giants-unlikely-to-trade-darius-slayton-azeez-ojulari/ar-AA1tbBxF?ocid=BingNewsSerp For 2025 the Giants have Brian Burns (who they traded for using a high draft pick) and Thibodeau whom they use a very high 1st rounder for ... of course they are requesting as high of a pick as possible. However there is NO way (with Burns/Thibodeau on the roster for 2025) Azeez is signing with the Giants as a free agent since they will be firing the HC and possibly the GM. Giants need to acquire 2025 draft picks in order to trade up for a top 3 draft pick and go get a QB in the draft. Azeez is going to be an 8 - game RENTAL so the Giants looking for anything but a later 3rd day pick is crazy talk by them. When the Giants lose this Sunday vs. Commanders, I would hope Monti calls the Giants early Monday morning and give them until Noon EST on Monday to accept the Cards offer or Monti is calling another team which has a standing deal on the table. Oh by the way, Monti should also try and get Evan Neal from them since the Giants have a history recently of poor OL coaching up players (e.g. Hernandez of the Cards). |
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