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Post by knobby on Oct 16, 2024 13:26:32 GMT -7
Score one for KM. Knew his receiver's capability. EDIT: (or weakness)
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Post by thomas cat on Oct 16, 2024 13:50:50 GMT -7
Score one for KM. Knew his receiver's capability.
lol....I wonder what receiver they were talking about. If I had to guess I would say maybe AG Green. He made a few good plays with us, but I seem to remember more bad than good. |
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Post by Dry Heat on Oct 16, 2024 14:15:58 GMT -7
People keep talking about poor OL play but let me pose this question. OL love blocking for traditional QBs who actually make use of a true pocket since that's how they are taught, not to mention smart QBs who check out of bad plays. Since Murray is shorter, how often does he step forward? Because years ago he almost never did, which is why Kingsbury stated point blank that Murray was responsible for half his sacks his early years. Before anyone talks about poor OL play, make sure that Murray isn't running himself into additional pressures because his height prevents him from stepping forward away from edge pressures. The only pressure Murray isn't responsible for, and any QB isn't, is when a NT comes straight up the middle. Ala... Aaron Donald I’ve made a point of watching the Oline this year, even re-watching, pausing, slow motion…that sort of stuff. Paris is playing well. That’s about it. Kyler doesn’t have time and when he’s not stepping forward it’s because he sees the pocket collapsing and knows with his scrambling ability he has a better shot making something happen on the run. He often goes up into the pocket to scramble, actually. The last few weeks I’ve been warning people not to trust our Oline stats regarding rush yards and yards per carry, as Kyler’s yardage and ridiculous 10.9 yards per carry skewed the results. You can tell the Oline isn’t run blocking well based on the numbers when you take Kyler’s rush attempts out, or how the Oline isn’t able to open holes for any RB not named Conner. Our lines are not good on either side of the line of scrimmage. Scary thing is the Dline is way worse than the Oline! |
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Post by cardinalsins on Oct 16, 2024 17:30:08 GMT -7
Score one for KM. Knew his receiver's capability.
lol....I wonder what receiver they were talking about. If I had to guess I would say maybe AG Green. He made a few good plays with us, but I seem to remember more bad than good. That was my guess too. |
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Post by Dry Heat on Oct 16, 2024 18:28:01 GMT -7
lol....I wonder what receiver they were talking about. If I had to guess I would say maybe AG Green. He made a few good plays with us, but I seem to remember more bad than good. That was my guess too. My guess is one of the short WR’s, Isabella or Moore. |
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Post by knobby on Oct 16, 2024 18:58:21 GMT -7
My guess is one of the short WR’s, Isabella or Moore.
I vote Isabella. AFAIK he almost always made body catches - when he did catch a pass. |
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Post by game8 on Oct 17, 2024 4:47:19 GMT -7
People keep talking about poor OL play but let me pose this question. OL love blocking for traditional QBs who actually make use of a true pocket since that's how they are taught, not to mention smart QBs who check out of bad plays. Since Murray is shorter, how often does he step forward? Because years ago he almost never did, which is why Kingsbury stated point blank that Murray was responsible for half his sacks his early years. Before anyone talks about poor OL play, make sure that Murray isn't running himself into additional pressures because his height prevents him from stepping forward away from edge pressures. The only pressure Murray isn't responsible for, and any QB isn't, is when a NT comes straight up the middle. Ala... Aaron Donald I’ve made a point of watching the Oline this year, even re-watching, pausing, slow motion…that sort of stuff. Paris is playing well. That’s about it. Kyler doesn’t have time and when he’s not stepping forward it’s because he sees the pocket collapsing and knows with his scrambling ability he has a better shot making something happen on the run. He often goes up into the pocket to scramble, actually. The last few weeks I’ve been warning people not to trust our Oline stats regarding rush yards and yards per carry, as Kyler’s yardage and ridiculous 10.9 yards per carry skewed the results. You can tell the Oline isn’t run blocking well based on the numbers when you take Kyler’s rush attempts out, or how the Oline isn’t able to open holes for any RB not named Conner. Our lines are not good on either side of the line of scrimmage. Scary thing is the Dline is way worse than the Oline! Dline we knew coming into the year however we haven't once had all the players on it for a single snap. Online was looking reasonable until the recent injuries was it not like one player on the right side away? Of course depth is an issue. |
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Post by End Zone on Oct 17, 2024 8:24:01 GMT -7
Score one for KM. Knew his receiver's capability.
lol....I wonder what receiver they were talking about. If I had to guess I would say maybe AG Green. He made a few good plays with us, but I seem to remember more bad than good. Yep, that's the same dumb-a$$ WR I thought of after listening to Colt's remembrance. Although, on second thought, they also might be talking about that mini-me from UMASS, WR Andy Isabella, taken in the 2019 draft. |
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Post by aris on Oct 17, 2024 11:51:13 GMT -7
People keep talking about poor OL play but let me pose this question. OL love blocking for traditional QBs who actually make use of a true pocket since that's how they are taught, not to mention smart QBs who check out of bad plays. Since Murray is shorter, how often does he step forward? Because years ago he almost never did, which is why Kingsbury stated point blank that Murray was responsible for half his sacks his early years. Before anyone talks about poor OL play, make sure that Murray isn't running himself into additional pressures because his height prevents him from stepping forward away from edge pressures. The only pressure Murray isn't responsible for, and any QB isn't, is when a NT comes straight up the middle. Ala... Aaron Donald I’ve made a point of watching the Oline this year, even re-watching, pausing, slow motion…that sort of stuff. Paris is playing well. That’s about it. Kyler doesn’t have time and when he’s not stepping forward it’s because he sees the pocket collapsing and knows with his scrambling ability he has a better shot making something happen on the run. He often goes up into the pocket to scramble, actually. The last few weeks I’ve been warning people not to trust our Oline stats regarding rush yards and yards per carry, as Kyler’s yardage and ridiculous 10.9 yards per carry skewed the results. You can tell the Oline isn’t run blocking well based on the numbers when you take Kyler’s rush attempts out, or how the Oline isn’t able to open holes for any RB not named Conner. Our lines are not good on either side of the line of scrimmage. Scary thing is the Dline is way worse than the Oline! Kyler has the 4th lowest QBP% (QB pressure rate) at 26 percent. 7th lowest total pressures, at 52 2nd lowest pressures/game. 8.7 I was hoping for a big year from Kyler. I can't provide any excuses for the guy. Most of the resources went to supporting him with a better line and WR's. He seems to be a middle of the. pack QB and in his SIXTH year I'm not sure we'll see a better version. He's not much of a leader either. I'm getting almost back on the sour Kyler train. Got to call it as it is. |
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Post by knobby on Oct 17, 2024 12:06:55 GMT -7
Kyler has the 4th lowest QBP% (QB pressure rate) at 26 percent. 7th lowest total pressures, at 52 2nd lowest pressures/game. 8.7 Interesting stats. Are they over a specific period of time? |
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Post by aris on Oct 17, 2024 12:37:16 GMT -7
Kyler has the 4th lowest QBP% (QB pressure rate) at 26 percent. 7th lowest total pressures, at 52 2nd lowest pressures/game. 8.7 Interesting stats. Are they over a specific period of time? I believe the whole year |
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Post by ricardo on Oct 17, 2024 13:18:14 GMT -7
What was his GB game demeanor like on the sideline?
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Post by CardSunsCard on Oct 17, 2024 14:12:06 GMT -7
I’ve made a point of watching the Oline this year, even re-watching, pausing, slow motion…that sort of stuff. Paris is playing well. That’s about it. Kyler doesn’t have time and when he’s not stepping forward it’s because he sees the pocket collapsing and knows with his scrambling ability he has a better shot making something happen on the run. He often goes up into the pocket to scramble, actually. The last few weeks I’ve been warning people not to trust our Oline stats regarding rush yards and yards per carry, as Kyler’s yardage and ridiculous 10.9 yards per carry skewed the results. You can tell the Oline isn’t run blocking well based on the numbers when you take Kyler’s rush attempts out, or how the Oline isn’t able to open holes for any RB not named Conner. Our lines are not good on either side of the line of scrimmage. Scary thing is the Dline is way worse than the Oline! Our OL wasn't awful until Hulk got hurt. We spent almost all our resources getting Kyler help, both on the OL and at skill positions. People acting like he lacks support need a reality check. Our DL is another story. I argued with all of those clamoring for a WR that none of that matters if you can't stop the run. We picked our poison and folks need to live with it. I advocated for not taking Kyler, getting a DL like Bosa/Williams and getting a QB the next year. We see how that worked out. Last year, I said, "If you have to take a WR, I wasn't against taking MHJ but I was against taking him at 3. I said trade back and get him if he's there, if not get Nabors, etc... if you must draft a WR. It's too early to judge WR class but so far looks like that would have been the right move as well. Oh well, at least some folks are owning up to the multiple draft mistakes we made when THEIR guys got taken. I'm not talking about you specifically, just this notion of folks who don't watch much college ball overvaluing dudes contributions. Paris was the ONLY high 1st round pick I didn't actually hate. Don't hate MHJ, but he wasn't worth the pick and we could have netted the same production or better trading back 1-3 spots. You're never going to see me argue against building the trenches first on both sides of the ball. Your foundations should be shored up before skill players are ever taken. Otherwise, all you hear are excuses why QB's never pan out.
McBride was another perfect example of folks who don't watch college thinking that pick sucked. I think I was one of the few in favor of it. I think maybe 3 of us liked that pick and I think all of us were big college fans. I don't ever watch much Western region football, so the fact I knew of the kid's talent ought to tell folks something. I'm mostly and SEC/Big 10 guy |
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Post by End Zone on Oct 17, 2024 14:41:00 GMT -7
What was his GB game demeanor like on the sideline? I think QB Murray got cold from the rain and wind and not getting enough snaps to stay warm. Multiple 3-and-outs added to his mental frustration. His pink shoes were cute but not best suited for soggy field conditions. QB Murray's sideline demeanor was okay for the losing QB at halftime. Meanwhile, QB Love and his 10 friends had the right shoes on and did not slip on the wet sod. The Packers offense ran wild. The game was over by the end of the first quarter. TOP and points scored were ridiculous by halftime, grossly favoring the Packers. I won't complain more about the refs. I did that already. |
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Post by aussiecardfan on Oct 17, 2024 15:22:47 GMT -7
lol....I wonder what receiver they were talking about. If I had to guess I would say maybe AG Green. He made a few good plays with us, but I seem to remember more bad than good. Yep, that's the same dumb-a$$ WR I thought of after listening to Colt's remembrance. Although, on second thought, they also might be talking about that mini-me from UMASS, WR Andy Isabella, taken in the 2019 draft. Yeah I was thinking Andy. That small school kid the drunk took instead of dk because dk couldn’t run more than one route apparently… |
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