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Post by CardSunsCard on Apr 4, 2024 17:03:21 GMT -7
Been watching a lot of recent QB film of this year's QB crop and it's hard not to want to take one the more one dissects film. Why? It's obvious how limited Kyler is when you see these kids stepping up in the pocket making intermediate crossing throws. The throws Kyler doesn't make often because of his height. Not to mention Kyler always tries to escape outside instead of stepping forward due to being short. Check out what Penix does at the 13 minute mark. And the following play. Kyler doesn't make either of those type plays.
With Jayden Daniels we see the same thing at 5 min mark. With Kyler not consistently able to see these short/mid range targets. It limits our offense so much. One thing about Daniels though. He had an all pro WR cast not to mention all pro OL. So just like when Kyler entered NFL playing with a bunch of all pros at OU, it does make me question how he would do with a lesser supporting cast.
Moving onto Maye. When you watch the entire film, it's hard not to notice how bad his OL was this year. Not to mention his WR's, minus one that missed half the season. I could care less about his mobility. The thing that's impressive is his eyes are always looking downfield, not distracted by the rushers. That's despite playing against one of the best pass rushers vs. Miami
What I noticed with all of these QBs, beyond being able to see crossing routes is that every single one of these guys makes quicker decisions than Kyler. They all seem to process and get rid of the ball quicker.
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 4, 2024 17:34:34 GMT -7
There are some good ones this year. IMO there is much that Penix and Maye do in the pocket but you balance that with things Kyler does that they can’t do. I’ve said this before…Daniels to me is like Kyler without the height issue, and that’s pretty interesting. I wish he hadn’t gained steam and risen in the draft and we could have landed him as a second round pick to learn behind Kyler. He does still have some learning to do.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Apr 4, 2024 17:54:12 GMT -7
There are some good ones this year. IMO there is much that Penix and Maye do in the pocket but you balance that with things Kyler does that they can’t do. I’ve said this before…Daniels to me is like Kyler without the height issue, and that’s pretty interesting. I wish he hadn’t gained steam and risen in the draft and we could have landed him as a second round pick to learn behind Kyler. He does still have some learning to do. I always felt it's safer to take QBs who excelled with lesser talent because at least you know they can carry a team. That was the risk with Kyler having played with studs both in high school and college. I mentioned that when we drafted him. I opined, "what happens when the kid suddenly won't have twice as much talent on his team than the teams he's playing?" That's going to be the risk with both Jayden Daniels and Caleb Williams. LSU and USC are always going to be stacked across the board. The other major risk, which Kurt Warner brought up with guys like McCarthy, is the latter never had to carry his team because his offense didn't ask him to throw more than 22 times a game, and he never got into shootouts where he had to win it with his arm. So while McCarthy might be special, we've yet to see how he'd fare if he had to play from behind and throw 40 times a game. Doesn't mean he can't do it, but at least with Maye, or guys with less talent around them, they have no where to go but up because they've already had to carry their teams on a consistent basis. Daniels has the most buzz and could be great, but more so than any other QB in this draft, including Caleb, Daniels had so much support. And even with more support, he did lose to most the good teams, like Ole Miss, which actually had less talent. To be fair, Daniels kept them in all the close games, but he lost to most the good teams and a good chunk of his stats came from being allowed to roll up numbers against 3 really small, and awful teams. That worries me. I wouldn't hate the pick, but I think he's got the most risk. If you watch the Penix tape pay special attention to the early post corner route he tosses before the receiver even breaks. That's a great 'timing' route similar to what Stroud does. It's very old school and another dimension I don't see from most of this year's crop. And I've never seen Kyler do that. There's no argument Kyler can do some special things. My biggest issue is we are forced to do so much to cover his shortcomings. For example, folks want to keep prioritizing OL even though or OL wasn't terrible and Kyler takes many sacks because he processes slow and holds the ball too long. Now we are saying, "let's only focus on big WR's because Kyler can't see normal sized ones." It's like, every day there's another limitation we place on our draft board, all because Kyler has 'shortcomings.' Literally. OR guys want to change the offensive design itself because Kyler can't do something. I'm all for giving QBs support, but when you're constantly making changes to cover shortcomings, at what point does it cost a team less to just find someone who can do most typical QB things? Every additional dollar we allocate for support above an beyond what a normal QB needs is a dollar we don't have available for our defense, or even added depth at RB. I really don't know who the best QB is in this class. There are just too many this year. I do know that the Texans/Bills just ate over 31 million cap hit on Diggs - all in one year. All of the sudden, it makes me wonder if Kyler could be cut loose. www.si.com/nfl/bills/buffalo-bills-stefon-diggs-contract-overhaul-houston-texans-trade#:~:text=As%20mentioned%20previously%2C%20Diggs'%20massive,he's%20officially%20off%20the%20books. Penix is the guy who confuses me the most. I'm in SEC country so I don't get to see many Washington games. I don't know how much of his success is from playing in a weak conference. I do know he's looked great in most the tape I've seen.
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 4, 2024 18:23:38 GMT -7
I’m still scratching my head about that Bills decision. Barely got anything and took that cap hit. Must have been a locker room cancer.
Competition is a very fair point. That and QB play are the two things that make me wonder even as I’ve been pushing Odunze. Or considering Nabers/Thomas. With Odunze vs Nabers, you have Pac12 vs SEC. Not fair. But then you have variables like Odunze putting up those kind of completion and 50/50 stats in lots of bad weather. Very impressive.
It’s going to come down to the tape and the meetings with teams and full background checks that us armchair GM’s do not get to see. The Cardinals are deep diving every minute of tape for all top three WR’s and talking to previous coaches and folks who have been around them. They know more than we do. Then it comes down to opinion and fit. I for one am not impressed by Nabers’ interviews…he just rubs me the wrong way as lots of guys from LSU seem to do. MHJ impresses me as quiet and respectful and all business, but I don’t trust the lack of personality. Watching Odunze speak and reading about him as a person excites me. With all three being net equal athletically on the field, I’m leaning hard on vibes.
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Post by cardinalsins on Apr 4, 2024 18:54:39 GMT -7
There are some good ones this year. IMO there is much that Penix and Maye do in the pocket but you balance that with things Kyler does that they can’t do. I’ve said this before…Daniels to me is like Kyler without the height issue, and that’s pretty interesting. I wish he hadn’t gained steam and risen in the draft and we could have landed him as a second round pick to learn behind Kyler. He does still have some learning to do. I always felt it's safer to take QBs who excelled with lesser talent because at least you know they can carry a team. That was the risk with Kyler having played with studs both in high school and college. I mentioned that when we drafted him. I opined, "what happens when the kid suddenly won't have twice as much talent on his team than the teams he's playing?" That's going to be the risk with both Jayden Daniels and Caleb Williams. LSU and USC are always going to be stacked across the board. The other major risk, which Kurt Warner brought up with guys like McCarthy, is the latter never had to carry his team because his offense didn't ask him to throw more than 22 times a game, and he never got into shootouts where he had to win it with his arm. So while McCarthy might be special, we've yet to see how he'd fare if he had to play from behind and throw 40 times a game. Doesn't mean he can't do it, but at least with Maye, or guys with less talent around them, they have no where to go but up because they've already had to carry their teams on a consistent basis. Daniels has the most buzz and could be great, but more so than any other QB in this draft, including Caleb, Daniels had so much support. And even with more support, he did lose to most the good teams, like Ole Miss, which actually had less talent. To be fair, Daniels kept them in all the close games, but he lost to most the good teams and a good chunk of his stats came from being allowed to roll up numbers against 3 really small, and awful teams. That worries me. I wouldn't hate the pick, but I think he's got the most risk. If you watch the Penix tape pay special attention to the early post corner route he tosses before the receiver even breaks. That's a great 'timing' route similar to what Stroud does. It's very old school and another dimension I don't see from most of this year's crop. And I've never seen Kyler do that. There's no argument Kyler can do some special things. My biggest issue is we are forced to do so much to cover his shortcomings. For example, folks want to keep prioritizing OL even though or OL wasn't terrible and Kyler takes many sacks because he processes slow and holds the ball too long. Now we are saying, "let's only focus on big WR's because Kyler can't see normal sized ones." It's like, every day there's another limitation we place on our draft board, all because Kyler has 'shortcomings.' Literally. OR guys want to change the offensive design itself because Kyler can't do something. I'm all for giving QBs support, but when you're constantly making changes to cover shortcomings, at what point does it cost a team less to just find someone who can do most typical QB things? Every additional dollar we allocate for support above an beyond what a normal QB needs is a dollar we don't have available for our defense, or even added depth at RB. I really don't know who the best QB is in this class. There are just too many this year. I do know that the Texans/Bills just ate over 31 million cap hit on Diggs - all in one year. All of the sudden, it makes me wonder if Kyler could be cut loose. www.si.com/nfl/bills/buffalo-bills-stefon-diggs-contract-overhaul-houston-texans-trade#:~:text=As%20mentioned%20previously%2C%20Diggs'%20massive,he's%20officially%20off%20the%20books. Penix is the guy who confuses me the most. I'm in SEC country so I don't get to see many Washington games. I don't know how much of his success is from playing in a weak conference. I do know he's looked great in most the tape I've seen. Our line ranked in the bottom third last year. What are you talking about? Guess what...it was bad before Kyler got to play last year and their average scores in pass blocking and run blocking got marginally better when he came back. Your statement is flat out false. I posted all the stats in the Kyler Murray thread that was pinned on the first page...for weeks. You get so caught up in your K1 hate...that you start to make stuff up. Maybe you even believe it.
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Post by BigRedFan on Apr 4, 2024 22:10:59 GMT -7
Can we at least give K1 a full season under the new regime to fail or get injured to validate his diminutive stature before we write off his career as the Cardinals' franchise guy? Murray was developed by the biggest boob head coach, general manager and pathetic DC in NFL organizational HISTORY! Kingsbury, Keim and Vance Joseph.
Murray was set up for failure from the start with Kingsbury and Keim and VJ's miss use of newly drafted talent was awful. Yet Murray put the Cardinal offense on his back while improvising without any KK leadership structure and promptly pushed the Cardinals into the playoffs. Granted, the loss to the Rams was embarrassing, but truly look at the roster the Cardinals put on the field for that game.
AJ Green's inability to hear K1's audible v. Green Bay on that Thursday Night clash of Titans, imo, set the franchise back as K1 finished that last drive injured and if Green hears the signal, K1 and the Cardinals walk that win off. Murray misses the next few weeks with an injury and the momentum, CREATED by Kyler Murray is destroyed when it becomes Kingsbury and McCoy.
Point being, let Murray fail under professional management and coaching before we cast him to the failed AZ Cardinals' Draft Pick scrap heap. JMO.
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 4, 2024 22:35:23 GMT -7
Can we at least give K1 a full season under the new regime to fail or get injured to validate his diminutive stature before we write off his career as the Cardinals' franchise guy? Murray was developed by the biggest boob head coach, general manager and pathetic DC in NFL organizational HISTORY! Kingsbury, Keim and Vance Joseph. Murray was set up for failure from the start with Kingsbury and Keim and VJ's miss use of newly drafted talent was awful. Yet Murray put the Cardinal offense on his back while improvising without any KK leadership structure and promptly pushed the Cardinals into the playoffs. Granted, the loss to the Rams was embarrassing, but truly look at the roster the Cardinals put on the field for that game. AJ Green's inability to hear K1's audible v. Green Bay on that Thursday Night clash of Titans, imo, set the franchise back as K1 finished that last drive injured and if Green hears the signal, K1 and the Cardinals walk that win off. Murray misses the next few weeks with an injury and the momentum, CREATED by Kyler Murray is destroyed when it becomes Kingsbury and McCoy. Point being, let Murray fail under professional management and coaching before we cast him to the failed AZ Cardinals' Draft Pick scrap heap. JMO. Amen. He was the guy everyone wanted on their fantasy team after his rookie season, and then after an injury in that Green Bay loss (it happened right in front of me, on my birthday. I turned my 15 month Ford Bronco reservation into an order after driving home in despair to make myself feel better/middle age crisis). It was all downhill from there into the next season and ending with his ACL and HC and GM firings. Our offense looked better once he was back, despite having no defense whatsoever to stop other teams from scoring and no WR1 or really WR2. It was him, a TE and the run game. And other than the Oline putting together a run game, they WERE NOT good last year. Judge him with at least a healthy year in the new system, middle ground defense in place and with a WR1, a year with Wilson, and a better Oline.
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Post by respecttheprocess on Apr 5, 2024 6:21:06 GMT -7
The inability to run and throw effective shallow crossing routes and attack the middle of the field is a staple of successful NFL offenses and it’s something the Cardinals just don’t and/or can’t do…in part because of KM’s height/vision and, in part, because of the lack of height of their WR core. Another reason that MHJ needs to be the pick…especially if KM is your QB…IMO.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Apr 5, 2024 9:53:39 GMT -7
Can we at least give K1 a full season under the new regime to fail or get injured to validate his diminutive stature before we write off his career as the Cardinals' franchise guy? Murray was developed by the biggest boob head coach, general manager and pathetic DC in NFL organizational HISTORY! Kingsbury, Keim and Vance Joseph. Murray was set up for failure from the start with Kingsbury and Keim and VJ's miss use of newly drafted talent was awful. Yet Murray put the Cardinal offense on his back while improvising without any KK leadership structure and promptly pushed the Cardinals into the playoffs. Granted, the loss to the Rams was embarrassing, but truly look at the roster the Cardinals put on the field for that game. AJ Green's inability to hear K1's audible v. Green Bay on that Thursday Night clash of Titans, imo, set the franchise back as K1 finished that last drive injured and if Green hears the signal, K1 and the Cardinals walk that win off. Murray misses the next few weeks with an injury and the momentum, CREATED by Kyler Murray is destroyed when it becomes Kingsbury and McCoy. Point being, let Murray fail under professional management and coaching before we cast him to the failed AZ Cardinals' Draft Pick scrap heap. JMO. I've actually been on board with giving Kyler a full season under new management. The point I made with the Bills comment, about eating Diggs money, is I don't think everyone can rule out a potential trade just based on cap stuff. I do disagree with those arguing Kyler's OL was the problem. A couple of years ago, analytics had our OL in the top 15. It was ranked #12 for awhile. Back when everyone thought it was the sole problem. And even Kingsbury admitted half the sacks were Kyler's fault, not the OL. So I don't know why some keep saying it's all the OL. It's not. I believe in giving Kyler this year to right the ship. I just think he needs competition to push him.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Apr 5, 2024 10:03:23 GMT -7
I always felt it's safer to take QBs who excelled with lesser talent because at least you know they can carry a team.... Our line ranked in the bottom third last year. What are you talking about? Guess what... it was bad before Kyler got to play last year and their average scores in pass blocking and run blocking got marginally better when he came back. Your statement is flat out false. I posted all the stats in the Kyler Murray thread that was pinned on the first page...for weeks. You get so caught up in your K1 hate... that you start to make stuff up. Maybe you even believe it. Did I make this up? "According to thegameday.com, the Arizona Cardinals ranked 14th in the NFL in 2021 for offensive line, with the eighth-best adjusted sack rate (5.4%). The Cardinals also ranked in the top 10 for giving quarterback Kyler Murray time before pressure. However, the Cardinals ranked 30th in adjusted line yards, and their run-blocking results were not as impressive" The OL has not always been the problem. At least not when it comes to giving Kyler time. KK even admitted half the sacks Kyler took were HIS fault. I love how folks think I'm making stuff up for basically repeating what Kyler's coach said. Was Kyler lying when he said it was his fault? www.nfl.com/news/kyler-murray-takes-blame-for-cardinals-high-sack-rate Or did I make that up to?
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Post by cardinalsins on Apr 5, 2024 10:18:01 GMT -7
Our line ranked in the bottom third last year. What are you talking about? Guess what... it was bad before Kyler got to play last year and their average scores in pass blocking and run blocking got marginally better when he came back. Your statement is flat out false. I posted all the stats in the Kyler Murray thread that was pinned on the first page...for weeks. You get so caught up in your K1 hate... that you start to make stuff up. Maybe you even believe it. Did I make this up? "According to thegameday.com, the Arizona Cardinals ranked 14th in the NFL in 2021 for offensive line, with the eighth-best adjusted sack rate (5.4%). The Cardinals also ranked in the top 10 for giving quarterback Kyler Murray time before pressure. However, the Cardinals ranked 30th in adjusted line yards, and their run-blocking results were not as impressive" The OL has not always been the problem. At least not when it comes to giving Kyler time. KK even admitted half the sacks Kyler took were HIS fault. I love how folks think I'm making stuff up for basically repeating what Kyler's coach said. Was Kyler lying when he said it was his fault? www.nfl.com/news/kyler-murray-takes-blame-for-cardinals-high-sack-rate Or did I make that up to? Still holding a stats from 2021? This is why you can't ever have a analytical take on K1...cause you hold onto old hurts like a shipwrecked sailor to a life raft. I'm talking about the roster now...and the most recent season. Where you can see how this OL failed multiple QBs Maybe that 2021 year drove you to claim that Matt Coral would be a better QB in 2022. He plays for the UFL now.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Apr 5, 2024 10:48:52 GMT -7
Did I make this up? "According to thegameday.com, the Arizona Cardinals ranked 14th in the NFL in 2021 for offensive line, with the eighth-best adjusted sack rate (5.4%). The Cardinals also ranked in the top 10 for giving quarterback Kyler Murray time before pressure. However, the Cardinals ranked 30th in adjusted line yards, and their run-blocking results were not as impressive" The OL has not always been the problem. At least not when it comes to giving Kyler time. KK even admitted half the sacks Kyler took were HIS fault. I love how folks think I'm making stuff up for basically repeating what Kyler's coach said. Was Kyler lying when he said it was his fault? www.nfl.com/news/kyler-murray-takes-blame-for-cardinals-high-sack-rate Or did I make that up to? Still holding a stats from 2021? This is why you can't ever have a analytical take on K1...cause you hold onto old hurts like a shipwrecked sailor to a life raft. I'm talking about the roster now...and the most recent season. Where you can see how this OL failed multiple QBs Maybe that 2021 year drove you to claim that Matt Coral would be a better QB in 2022. He plays for the UFL now. Last year was a throwaway year. We had new regime who spent next to nothing on free agents. Of course is wasn't going to be optimal. Our defense proved that. So is a throwaway year supposed to be used or is it an outlier? The point of the 2021 citation is people have claimed the OL has always been the problem and it hasn't been. And even with us not spending last year, you can see the progress our team made just looking at the run game. That's the other reason for the 2021 citation. With our run game improving so much, last year proved that our WR corp was probably a bigger issue than the OL. Or are we going to blame the OL for WR's not getting open? At what point are the homers going to acknowledge that Kyler might be responsible for sacks? Are you implying that Matt Corral was the guy I wanted? Pretty sure that I'm on record pushing for guys like Joe Burrow a year before he even came out. What I said about Corral was: 1. he was a 'fit' for KK's system 2. should be considered yet NOT taken in the first round 3. should be considered to push Kyler. Big difference between advocating for depth QBs than pushing for one as a priority 1st round pick. I've advocated to take Nix with a 2nd/3rd round pick to. Does that mean I'm promising he's a savior to? There are QBs I want. Then there are guys I say might be a fit for our system. Jayden Daniels is another one I don't know will be great but I've opined 'fits' in systems where he can compete with Kyler. I'm notoriously hard on QBs because they eat up so much cap. Very rarely will you ever see me push for QB, HARD, as others like to do. But you have to separate guys I think can be system fits, or added competition, and guys I'm really willing to invest in. For example, I've been against drafting every USC QB except Carson Palmer. I posted that I really wanted Carson back in the day. Same for Burrow. There have been a few others like Josh Allen, but not many. But to take a post I make and imply I want a kid is laughable. I've posted about every QB this year, more positive than usual, yet I've even said I'm unsure about every QB this year, even Maye. Despite posting about a lot of their talent. Yet I'm not pushing for a single one. What I have pushed for is taking one, because Kyler needs competition. Heck, if you really want to go look at old posts, might as well find the ones where I claim I'd much rather sign veteran QBs most of the time. I'm also on record saying I'd rather have smart game manager like Phil Sims, Purdy, etc.. and spend money elsewhere ensuring we have a strong OL/defense, whatever. For example, let's look at my post from last year? "I also think we should consider Bijan Robinson, the rb from Texas. I value RBs even lower than WRs along with most GMs. That kid is a top 10 talent who will likely slide to end of first round. The Bills are rumored to want him, but once again, if I trade back and get extra picks, you have to consider taking him. He will clearly be the BPA on the board and Connor is getting older. The kid is so talented he's the reason Keontay Ingram left for USC. He's light years ahead of our current rbs......But I think there's no way we pass on Jalen Carter or Will Anderson. And I think if you guys studied this years insane TE class, or watched Bijan Robison, you might be inclined to forget taking a WR in the first few rounds." Was I not right about Carter, Anderson, and Bijan being the best guys to take? I even posted they should be drafted in that order. The year Kyler came out I wanted Quennan or Bosa. Just because I say something positive about a QB doesn't mean I want a guy beyond a depth flyer. All it means is I've never felt Kyler is going to be the guy and we need to be prepared.
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Post by BigRedFan on Apr 5, 2024 20:21:24 GMT -7
Can we at least give K1 a full season under the new regime to fail or get injured to validate his diminutive stature before we write off his career as the Cardinals' franchise guy? Murray was developed by the biggest boob head coach, general manager and pathetic DC in NFL organizational HISTORY! Kingsbury, Keim and Vance Joseph. Murray was set up for failure from the start with Kingsbury and Keim and VJ's miss use of newly drafted talent was awful. Yet Murray put the Cardinal offense on his back while improvising without any KK leadership structure and promptly pushed the Cardinals into the playoffs. Granted, the loss to the Rams was embarrassing, but truly look at the roster the Cardinals put on the field for that game. AJ Green's inability to hear K1's audible v. Green Bay on that Thursday Night clash of Titans, imo, set the franchise back as K1 finished that last drive injured and if Green hears the signal, K1 and the Cardinals walk that win off. Murray misses the next few weeks with an injury and the momentum, CREATED by Kyler Murray is destroyed when it becomes Kingsbury and McCoy. Point being, let Murray fail under professional management and coaching before we cast him to the failed AZ Cardinals' Draft Pick scrap heap. JMO. I've actually been on board with giving Kyler a full season under new management. The point I made with the Bills comment, about eating Diggs money, is I don't think everyone can rule out a potential trade just based on cap stuff. I do disagree with those arguing Kyler's OL was the problem. A couple of years ago, analytics had our OL in the top 15. It was ranked #12 for awhile. Back when everyone thought it was the sole problem. And even Kingsbury admitted half the sacks were Kyler's fault, not the OL. So I don't know why some keep saying it's all the OL. It's not. I believe in giving Kyler this year to right the ship. I just think he needs competition to push him. That's a great and fair point. Murray needs to stay healthy and guide this team to a minimum of 8 wins, imo, and remain relevant for the last NFC wild card thru out the regular season. 8-9 would be a disappointing season but considering the NFC West divisional opponents, it would be encouraging depending on Kyler Murray's over-all QB stats for the 2024 season. Meaning, imo, K1 can't be the reason the Cardinals lost any number of 2024 games due to poor QB play.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Apr 6, 2024 3:23:40 GMT -7
Of course it all depends on how the little dude plays but I can't help but remember that for eight games when the Cardinals were eight wins zero losses with Hopkins as the number one wide receiver the Cardinal offense was pretty much unstoppable. Should be wonderful to have a 6'5 230 lb quarterback who can read defenses like Brady and Peyton I had to quick release of Moreno and The uncanny ability of Rogers and mahomes to make play after playing desperate situations but those guys don't just grow on trees. We've got the little dude. I still think he can be a super bowl winning quarterback if everything else falls in line. In any event 2024 is his year one way or the other.
And be prepared cuz as soon as the 2024 season is over I'm going to get up on the soapbox proclaiming that the Cardinals should draft Brady cook, quarterback from the zoo. He's gotten better every year he's played. He has a good work ethic. He isn't perfect. While he doesn't have elite running speed he has the ability to still be very very effective running the ball when necessary. He can make all throws. As it stands right now he'll probably project it in the second or third round and I personally think he could be the steal of the 2025 draft if so.
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 6, 2024 11:00:05 GMT -7
Look, no QB has it all. The GOAT and Manning couldn’t run worth squat.
Kyler is the best QB we’ve had since the Warner unexpected blessing, who was supposed to be a backup for Leinart. He’s better than Jake the Snake and Palmer.
First five years for Palmer: 15,100 yards passing, 64% completion rate, avg 7.3 yards/attempt, 109 TDs, 67 INTs, 108 sacks, 163 rush yard. First five years for Kyler: 15,647 yards passing, 66.6% completion rate, avg 7 yards/attempt, 120 TDs, 46 INTs, 149 sacks, 2,448 rush yards (at 5.8 yards/attpt!)
It’s not even close. Murray’s only weakness vs Palmer is sacks, but that’s more than made up for in TD:INT ratio and rushing ability.
BTW…Warner first five years? 14,000 passing yards, 66.6% completion rate, avg 8.1 yards/attpt, 103 TDs, 64 INTs, 108 sacks, 202 rushing yards. Super similar to Palmer’s first five.
Be patient with our now only 26 yr old QB. Get him two more receiving weapons including a legit WR1. Upgrade the Oline’s pass protection without sacrificing the run blocking they achieved once Kyler returned, especially when he became more adept under center. The offense will be more than fine.
OUR DEFENSE IS OUR ISSUE!!!
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