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Post by JAB on Apr 11, 2024 23:07:57 GMT -7
See WR's inside 10 yards.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Apr 12, 2024 4:38:01 GMT -7
Can we at least give K1 a full season under the new regime ..... Murray was developed by the biggest boob head coach, general manager and pathetic DC in NFL organizational HISTORY! Kingsbury, Keim and Vance Joseph. Murray was set up for failure from the start with Kingsbury and Keim and VJ's miss use of newly drafted talent was awful..... Point being, let Murray fail under professional management and coaching before we cast him to the failed AZ Cardinals' Draft Pick scrap heap. JMO. My only issue with the above is this. Do you know how many board members who now hate KK were actually pushing for him to be hired? Several of us who watch college ball, especially Big 12 ball, tried to tell them how dumb the move was, but these are the same folks who say it's all about offense in the NFL and they refused to listen. That's what kills me about the whole KM debate. Many (not all) of the Kyler homers are just really bad when it comes to their track record of evaluating talent. Year in and year out they prioritize 'flashy' offensive skill player picks and they insisted BOTH Kyler and KK were great hires. Maybe they'll end up being right on Kyler, but the idea of blaming KK for Kyler's troubles is kind of funny, when coming from the same folks who wanted KK to begin with. I'm not blaming all the Kyler fans on here because a few of them are usually pretty good with player evaluations and I enjoy the discourse and honest disagreement. Thing is, they wanted to take 3 WRs the year KK drafted a bunch. They wanted to take more the next year. They want more now. These same folks then turn around and act like management didn't try to give Kyler support, which it clearly did when it drafted... what is that.... 8-12 WRs in a few years. If we take a couple more this year. I'm open to giving Kyler another year and honest debate on him. I just don't really enjoy hearing it from those who supported the KK hire to begin with, because if you look at the arguments they made when we hired KK, they were either blindly biased, or just ignorant. And while everyone is entitled to an opinion on a fan board, it's hard to take them seriously when they are wrong on 70-80% of their picks. And the KK hire was perhaps the most obvious blunder - ahead of time - to anyone who followed his career at Texas Tech. PS... I'm not directing the above comment at you BRF. I don't even recall where you stood on the KK hire. I just recall there were 4 or 5 of us who were vehemently against the KK hire. Heck, I think I went on record saying it would set us back 5 years as a franchise. And I recall getting laughed at by some who thought it was hyperbole. I think I could have stomached the Kyler pick a lot more if another coach drafted him. Instead, we let KK draft a bunch of guys who can't play or didn't match up well with Kyler. And Kyler got no development. So if anything, I feel like the folks who wanted KK are just as much as fault for Kyler's failure to develop, because they wanted to the dang coach to begin with.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Apr 13, 2024 3:27:53 GMT -7
Can we at least give K1 a full season under the new regime ..... Murray was developed by the biggest boob head coach, general manager and pathetic DC in NFL organizational HISTORY! Kingsbury, Keim and Vance Joseph. Murray was set up for failure from the start with Kingsbury and Keim and VJ's miss use of newly drafted talent was awful..... Point being, let Murray fail under professional management and coaching before we cast him to the failed AZ Cardinals' Draft Pick scrap heap. JMO. My only issue with the above is this. Do you know how many board members who now hate KK were actually pushing for him to be hired? Several of us who watch college ball, especially Big 12 ball, tried to tell them how dumb the move was, but these are the same folks who say it's all about offense in the NFL and they refused to listen. That's what kills me about the whole KM debate. Many (not all) of the Kyler homers are just really bad when it comes to their track record of evaluating talent. Year in and year out they prioritize 'flashy' offensive skill player picks and they insisted BOTH Kyler and KK were great hires. Maybe they'll end up being right on Kyler, but the idea of blaming KK for Kyler's troubles is kind of funny, when coming from the same folks who wanted KK to begin with. I'm not blaming all the Kyler fans on here because a few of them are usually pretty good with player evaluations and I enjoy the discourse and honest disagreement. Thing is, they wanted to take 3 WRs the year KK drafted a bunch. They wanted to take more the next year. They want more now. These same folks then turn around and act like management didn't try to give Kyler support, which it clearly did when it drafted... what is that.... 8-12 WRs in a few years. If we take a couple more this year. I'm open to giving Kyler another year and honest debate on him. I just don't really enjoy hearing it from those who supported the KK hire to begin with, because if you look at the arguments they made when we hired KK, they were either blindly biased, or just ignorant. And while everyone is entitled to an opinion on a fan board, it's hard to take them seriously when they are wrong on 70-80% of their picks. And the KK hire was perhaps the most obvious blunder - ahead of time - to anyone who followed his career at Texas Tech. PS... I'm not directing the above comment at you BRF. I don't even recall where you stood on the KK hire. I just recall there were 4 or 5 of us who were vehemently against the KK hire. Heck, I think I went on record saying it would set us back 5 years as a franchise. And I recall getting laughed at by some who thought it was hyperbole. I think I could have stomached the Kyler pick a lot more if another coach drafted him. Instead, we let KK draft a bunch of guys who can't play or didn't match up well with Kyler. And Kyler got no development. So if anything, I feel like the folks who wanted KK are just as much as fault for Kyler's failure to develop, because they wanted to the dang coach to begin with. I was one of those who wasn't really for KK and as that draft approached that year I did begin to like the little dude more and more. However the draft was horrible. But to be honest other than Isabella the other two wide receivers had a chance. They didn't fail because of physical ability because of mental issues. I don't even remember their names. The thing I was really concerned about with KK was that he never had NFL coaching head experience and he had a losing record as a college coach. We must also remember that the coaching staff put together was horrible that year. In any event it is what it is and the bottom line with the little dude is money. It's always about the money. That's the only reason why he's getting this year. I was definitely against the giant contract he got with all that guaranteed money because he had not earned that yet. I'm a firm believer in not crying about what you don't have but working with what you have until you can better your position. That's why this draft is going to be so interesting because we all know that in order for the little dude to play it an extremely high level which he can and it's proven he can it has to be the right offensive system and he has to have tall receivers and a good offensive line in front of him. I don't really find that too much to ask. It just depends on how Monty builds the roster. The good thing about that is if it ends up the little dude is not the guy and the Cardinals go with a taller more prototypical NFL quarterback it's still good to have tall receivers and a good offensive line in front of you so I don't really see a problem with that. Having said that, what I wanted the first round and I don't care if we trade down or not as long as in the first round we get a number one receiver and the best available interior offensive lineman. And my humble opinion that's really all the Cardinals offense needs to be really competitive.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Apr 13, 2024 3:28:44 GMT -7
the only reason why I called him the little dude is because for whatever reason my voice texting will not pick up his name and I do not like to manually text so there's no other reason than that lol so called smart phones can't even speak english . it keeps putting him in as tyler Murray
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Apr 13, 2024 3:31:29 GMT -7
I didn't say I would give up the farm for McCarthy I just like him better than the others. Will know in 5 years right? I don't want the Cardinals to draft any of the top four guys but I do sincerely hope that several teams are desperate enough for a quarterback that they give us the farm. I don't think it is likely to give up that much and he bust's whoever they take it will the Gm his job unless someone falls they really wanted. I've about decided that unless there was another Andrew luck coming out in the draft I would prefer to go with veteran quarterbacks. As you said it's a GM's job and can make or break a franchise for at least 5 years if you miss drafting a quarterback in the first round because they're expected to play very quickly. What Andy Reid did with my homes work out great and it looks like what the Packers did with Jordan love is going to work out okay but in most cases quarterbacks drafted high in the first round are expected to play right away. CJ Stroud goes against all the thinking in that and it's going to be very interesting to see how he plays his second year.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Apr 13, 2024 18:30:29 GMT -7
I don't think it is likely to give up that much and he bust's whoever they take it will the Gm his job unless someone falls they really wanted. I've about decided that unless there was another Andrew luck coming out in the draft I would prefer to go with veteran quarterbacks. As you said it's a GM's job and can make or break a franchise for at least 5 years if you miss drafting a quarterback in the first round because they're expected to play very quickly. What Andy Reid did with my homes work out great and it looks like what the Packers did with Jordan love is going to work out okay but in most cases quarterbacks drafted high in the first round are expected to play right away. CJ Stroud goes against all the thinking in that and it's going to be very interesting to see how he plays his second year. A couple of teams are hoping for the Texans success , seriously if the Vikings were so convinced they would have locked up that 4th pick by now and not take the chance. They know several teams out there need Qb and definitely rival their offer with a very good player in the deal. It just seems to me they just wait on a Qb to fall to them. I think this has been just hype and nothing more.
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Post by knobby on Apr 13, 2024 19:19:19 GMT -7
I've about decided that unless there was another Andrew luck coming out in the draft I would prefer to go with veteran quarterbacks. As you said it's a GM's job and can make or break a franchise for at least 5 years if you miss drafting a quarterback in the first round because they're expected to play very quickly. What Andy Reid did with my homes work out great and it looks like what the Packers did with Jordan love is going to work out okay but in most cases quarterbacks drafted high in the first round are expected to play right away. CJ Stroud goes against all the thinking in that and it's going to be very interesting to see how he plays his second year. A couple of teams are hoping for the Texans success , seriously if the Vikings were so convinced they would have locked up that 4th pick by now and not take the chance. They know several teams out there need Qb and definitely rival their offer with a very good player in the deal. It just seems to me they just wait on a Qb to fall to them. I think this has been just hype and nothing more.
The Vikings may have a conditional agreement in place already. Maybe with us? They did warn their fans it will be costly to trade
up for their preferred QB, and we do know that Monti has taken
many calls in recent history.
If that is the case then there is indeed a lot of smoke in the air. Playing draft poker?
IMHO
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Apr 15, 2024 4:53:52 GMT -7
A couple of teams are hoping for the Texans success , seriously if the Vikings were so convinced they would have locked up that 4th pick by now and not take the chance. They know several teams out there need Qb and definitely rival their offer with a very good player in the deal. It just seems to me they just wait on a Qb to fall to them. I think this has been just hype and nothing more. The Vikings may have a conditional agreement in place already. Maybe with us? They did warn their fans it will be costly to trade
up for their preferred QB, and we do know that Monti has taken
many calls in recent history.
If that is the case then there is indeed a lot of smoke in the air. Playing draft poker?
IMHO
There is a rumor now that the Vikings isn't budging on the offer they even said they are not thrilled with giving up the 23rd pick. How would they expect a team to trade back to where they are knowing they are the one stuck in a rut. I see what you are saying but why would the cardinals make a deal like that ? It seem's to me someone is gonna pay alot for that pick or the Cardinals are content in staying there and selecting a player. It might MHJ or it could be someone else I am hoping for MHJ but really have no clue who they would target it might not be MHJ we just don't know but all signs point to MHJ.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Apr 15, 2024 6:18:21 GMT -7
Can we at least give K1 a full season under the new regime ..... Murray was developed by the biggest boob head coach, general manager and pathetic DC in NFL organizational HISTORY! Kingsbury, Keim and Vance Joseph. Murray was set up for failure from the start with Kingsbury and Keim and VJ's miss use of newly drafted talent was awful..... Point being, let Murray fail under professional management and coaching before we cast him to the failed AZ Cardinals' Draft Pick scrap heap. JMO. My only issue with the above is this. Do you know how many board members who now hate KK were actually pushing for him to be hired? Several of us who watch college ball, especially Big 12 ball, tried to tell them how dumb the move was, but these are the same folks who say it's all about offense in the NFL and they refused to listen. That's what kills me about the whole KM debate. Many (not all) of the Kyler homers are just really bad when it comes to their track record of evaluating talent. Year in and year out they prioritize 'flashy' offensive skill player picks and they insisted BOTH Kyler and KK were great hires. Maybe they'll end up being right on Kyler, but the idea of blaming KK for Kyler's troubles is kind of funny, when coming from the same folks who wanted KK to begin with. I'm not blaming all the Kyler fans on here because a few of them are usually pretty good with player evaluations and I enjoy the discourse and honest disagreement. Thing is, they wanted to take 3 WRs the year KK drafted a bunch. They wanted to take more the next year. They want more now. These same folks then turn around and act like management didn't try to give Kyler support, which it clearly did when it drafted... what is that.... 8-12 WRs in a few years. If we take a couple more this year. I'm open to giving Kyler another year and honest debate on him. I just don't really enjoy hearing it from those who supported the KK hire to begin with, because if you look at the arguments they made when we hired KK, they were either blindly biased, or just ignorant. And while everyone is entitled to an opinion on a fan board, it's hard to take them seriously when they are wrong on 70-80% of their picks. And the KK hire was perhaps the most obvious blunder - ahead of time - to anyone who followed his career at Texas Tech. PS... I'm not directing the above comment at you BRF. I don't even recall where you stood on the KK hire. I just recall there were 4 or 5 of us who were vehemently against the KK hire. Heck, I think I went on record saying it would set us back 5 years as a franchise. And I recall getting laughed at by some who thought it was hyperbole. I think I could have stomached the Kyler pick a lot more if another coach drafted him. Instead, we let KK draft a bunch of guys who can't play or didn't match up well with Kyler. And Kyler got no development. So if anything, I feel like the folks who wanted KK are just as much as fault for Kyler's failure to develop, because they wanted to the dang coach to begin with. I am probably one of the guy's you are talking about pushing for offense over defense. Don't really recall what my stand on KK was but I can say since we were not getting the coach I wanted since he left the 49ers and is now with the Chargers that I wasn't against it. This years draft I believe picking offense early is the way to go and that is my opinion. Even though I am pro offense over defense I know games are usually won and lost in the trenches. I believe part of and it's really critical to have a solid running game I think we showed a decent run game last year but for me the glaring weakness is the wr corp. We have a defensive minded coach do you think Monti is listening to him ? Who do you think the coach likes if we don't trade back ? Who do you want with the fourth pick ? we can't say trade back unless MO get's what he want's for the fourth pick IMO they are not gonna trade back unless they get what they want. KK was not the best hire but niether was many of the other coaches hired when KK was hired. Remember your thread about offense vs defense where you said every this morning all the morning talking heads said they would rather face Mahomes then the Cleveland defense it sounds like you were agreeing with them. Scoreboard Houston 45 Cleveland 14 and Mahomes won another superbowl I couldn't resist
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Post by CardsFanQC on Apr 15, 2024 6:53:35 GMT -7
The Vikings may have a conditional agreement in place already. Maybe with us? They did warn their fans it will be costly to trade
up for their preferred QB, and we do know that Monti has taken
many calls in recent history.
If that is the case then there is indeed a lot of smoke in the air. Playing draft poker?
IMHO
There is a rumor now that the Vikings isn't budging on the offer they even said they are not thrilled with giving up the 23rd pick. How would they expect a team to trade back to where they are knowing they are the one stuck in a rut. I see what you are saying but why would the cardinals make a deal like that ? It seem's to me someone is gonna pay alot for that pick or the Cardinals are content in staying there and selecting a player. It might MHJ or it could be someone else I am hoping for MHJ but really have no clue who they would target it might not be MHJ we just don't know but all signs point to MHJ. I love the Vikings whining -- why did they go get the #23 pick from the Texans if it isn't going to be included in a QB trade move. Did they trade multiple picks to get #23 so the Vikes could pick the center out of Oregon ? ... with Sam Darnold taking snaps from that center, Vikings will be lucky to win 7 games. Monti is not blinking and has put it out there what it will take to get up to #4. It definitely appears that Caleb Williams goes #1 and Jaydon Daniels goes 2nd ... today the Patriots have JJ McCarthy in for TWO (2) days. So it would appear the Pats braintrust wants to choose this week - Drake Maye or JJ McCarthy. The Giants had both Maye and JJ McCarthy (allegedly for a "secret PRIVATE workout) back about 3 weeks ago. IMO the Pats will decide on their QB by middle to end of this week at which time, I believe the Giants will call Monti with their offer that I fear will not include pick #47 but instead will be #70 and some 2025 pick. I think the Vikings are hoping the Giants favor one QB over the other in the Maye vs. McCarthy contest and unfortunately for the Giants, their choice is being selected by Pats at #3. I believe the Giants, Broncos and Vikings like both Maye and McCarthy with not that much distance between the two of them so if the Pats choose their guy this week ... Monti will be getting a lot of phone calls by end of the week.
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 15, 2024 9:11:18 GMT -7
There is a rumor now that the Vikings isn't budging on the offer they even said they are not thrilled with giving up the 23rd pick. How would they expect a team to trade back to where they are knowing they are the one stuck in a rut. I see what you are saying but why would the cardinals make a deal like that ? It seem's to me someone is gonna pay alot for that pick or the Cardinals are content in staying there and selecting a player. It might MHJ or it could be someone else I am hoping for MHJ but really have no clue who they would target it might not be MHJ we just don't know but all signs point to MHJ. I love the Vikings whining -- why did they go get the #23 pick from the Texans if it isn't going to be included in a QB trade move. Did they trade multiple picks to get #23 so the Vikes could pick the center out of Oregon ? ... with Sam Darnold taking snaps from that center, Vikings will be lucky to win 7 games. Monti is not blinking and has put it out there what it will take to get up to #4. It definitely appears that Caleb Williams goes #1 and Jaydon Daniels goes 2nd ... today the Patriots have JJ McCarthy in for TWO (2) days. So it would appear the Pats braintrust wants to choose this week - Drake Maye or JJ McCarthy. The Giants had both Maye and JJ McCarthy (allegedly for a "secret PRIVATE workout) back about 3 weeks ago. IMO the Pats will decide on their QB by middle to end of this week at which time, I believe the Giants will call Monti with their offer that I fear will not include pick #47 but instead will be #70 and some 2025 pick. I think the Vikings are hoping the Giants favor one QB over the other in the Maye vs. McCarthy contest and unfortunately for the Giants, their choice is being selected by Pats at #3. I believe the Giants, Broncos and Vikings like both Maye and McCarthy with not that much distance between the two of them so if the Pats choose their guy this week ... Monti will be getting a lot of phone calls by end of the week. Could also be a few mystery teams calling, offering a blend of players and picks. There is a huge need at QBOF throughout the NFL.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Apr 15, 2024 11:44:51 GMT -7
... PS... I'm not directing the above comment at you BRF. I don't even recall where you stood on the KK hire. I just recall there were 4 or 5 of us who were vehemently against the KK hire. Heck, I think I went on record saying it would set us back 5 years as a franchise. And I recall getting laughed at by some who thought it was hyperbole. I think I could have stomached the Kyler pick a lot more if another coach drafted him. Instead, we let KK draft a bunch of guys who can't play or didn't match up well with Kyler. And Kyler got no development. So if anything, I feel like the folks who wanted KK are just as much as fault for Kyler's failure to develop, because they wanted to the dang coach to begin with. I am probably one of the guy's you are talking about pushing for offense over defense. Don't really recall what my stand on KK was but I can say since we were not getting the coach I wanted since he left the 49ers and is now with the Chargers that I wasn't against it. This years draft I believe picking offense early is the way to go and that is my opinion. Even though I am pro offense over defense I know games are usually won and lost in the trenches. I believe part of and it's really critical to have a solid running game I think we showed a decent run game last year but for me the glaring weakness is the wr corp. We have a defensive minded coach do you think Monti is listening to him ? Who do you think the coach likes if we don't trade back ? Who do you want with the fourth pick ? we can't say trade back unless MO get's what he want's for the fourth pick IMO they are not gonna trade back unless they get what they want. KK was not the best hire but niether was many of the other coaches hired when KK was hired. Remember your thread about offense vs defense where you said every this morning all the morning talking heads said they would rather face Mahomes then the Cleveland defense it sounds like you were agreeing with them. Scoreboard Houston 45 Cleveland 14 and Mahomes won another superbowl I couldn't resist Are you saying if I repeat something said on news shows that it automatically means I agree with them? As in just passing along information? I want to make sure I understand exactly what you're saying rather than put words in your mouth. Do I favor defense? Of course. Had San Fran coach not made a blunder, San Fran beats Mahomes this year. And we all know KC didn't really start winning consistently until it invested in its defensive trenches bringing in guys like Chris Jones. And improving their secondary. Mahomes and WRs weren't the only reason KC won because Mahomes lost his biggest two 'wide' receiving threats so doesn't that sort of water down your argument on the criticality of WRs? Coaching is just as important as your QB. You don't see many great QBs win if their coaches are just average. I have seen many teams win when they had great defenses, and great coaches, but average QBs who manage games well. If anything, your argument for Mahomes and KC just validates what I've been saying about how you can go just as far with solid defense and getting your receiving from your TEs - as Mahomes has shown. You've got to have pass catchers but the yardage doesn't need to come from your WRs. I've seen plenty of Super Bowl winners that had better TEs than they did WRs. Rather than accuse you of flip flopping let me just ask directly: 1. Didn't you favor hiring KK? 2. Didn't you favor hiring Murray? 3. Didn't you want to replace Murray with Caleb Wilson at beginning of this season? I know you want MHJ but I think you wanted tons of other WRs too - in previous years. You and I are opposite philosophically. It's not just that I favor defense, but if I'm building an offense, I believe you build up everything else first, before you bring in your QB, otherwise you set them up to fail. I made this argument back when we hired KK because I said back then, if you don't build up the core first, you just end up 'Rosen-ing' your QB. It's why I was against bringing Murray on board in KK's first year. Because even if people wanted KK, you set the franchise back 5 years by not building up the core first. It's very rare a QB can succeed in year one with a porous line guarding them. Or a defense that can help make up for some of the QBs mistakes. This was never about Murray to me. It's about wasting 5 years. Wasting draft picks and ruining the development of a QB. Unfortunately, those that don't see that make the same mistakes - repeatedly. That's the number one reason I don't really want to take a QB early this year (in top 12). Because even if I'm not sold on Murray, why ruin another QBs development before we have our core solidified? Its akin to trying to put up the frame of a house before one puts down a foundation. There's no one I want to draft at #4. It doesn't make sense if we aren't taking a QB and there isn't an elite pass rusher, CB or LT. I 100% want to trade back then trade right back up again - for one of our top picks. But none of the guys we want are worth the #4 pick. None of them. And I'd rather trade down repeatedly, year after year, so we can always have surplus picks to draft a QB every other year until we find our Purdy/Brady. If you repeatedly take flyers on QBs in later rounds, most will fail but your risk/reward is far better than trying to hit with top-5 picks. Mahomes was a first round pick but even he wasn't a top-5 dude.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Apr 15, 2024 14:33:16 GMT -7
I love the Vikings whining -- why did they go get the #23 pick from the Texans if it isn't going to be included in a QB trade move. Did they trade multiple picks to get #23 so the Vikes could pick the center out of Oregon ? ... with Sam Darnold taking snaps from that center, Vikings will be lucky to win 7 games. Monti is not blinking and has put it out there what it will take to get up to #4. It definitely appears that Caleb Williams goes #1 and Jaydon Daniels goes 2nd ... today the Patriots have JJ McCarthy in for TWO (2) days. So it would appear the Pats braintrust wants to choose this week - Drake Maye or JJ McCarthy. The Giants had both Maye and JJ McCarthy (allegedly for a "secret PRIVATE workout) back about 3 weeks ago. IMO the Pats will decide on their QB by middle to end of this week at which time, I believe the Giants will call Monti with their offer that I fear will not include pick #47 but instead will be #70 and some 2025 pick. I think the Vikings are hoping the Giants favor one QB over the other in the Maye vs. McCarthy contest and unfortunately for the Giants, their choice is being selected by Pats at #3. I believe the Giants, Broncos and Vikings like both Maye and McCarthy with not that much distance between the two of them so if the Pats choose their guy this week ... Monti will be getting a lot of phone calls by end of the week. Could also be a few mystery teams calling, offering a blend of players and picks. There is a huge need at QBOF throughout the NFL. I just think there is one day one starter the rest need work Imho.
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Post by BigRedFan on Apr 15, 2024 22:10:15 GMT -7
Can we at least give K1 a full season under the new regime ..... Murray was developed by the biggest boob head coach, general manager and pathetic DC in NFL organizational HISTORY! Kingsbury, Keim and Vance Joseph. Murray was set up for failure from the start with Kingsbury and Keim and VJ's miss use of newly drafted talent was awful..... Point being, let Murray fail under professional management and coaching before we cast him to the failed AZ Cardinals' Draft Pick scrap heap. JMO. My only issue with the above is this. Do you know how many board members who now hate KK were actually pushing for him to be hired? Several of us who watch college ball, especially Big 12 ball, tried to tell them how dumb the move was, but these are the same folks who say it's all about offense in the NFL and they refused to listen. That's what kills me about the whole KM debate. Many (not all) of the Kyler homers are just really bad when it comes to their track record of evaluating talent. Year in and year out they prioritize 'flashy' offensive skill player picks and they insisted BOTH Kyler and KK were great hires. Maybe they'll end up being right on Kyler, but the idea of blaming KK for Kyler's troubles is kind of funny, when coming from the same folks who wanted KK to begin with. I'm not blaming all the Kyler fans on here because a few of them are usually pretty good with player evaluations and I enjoy the discourse and honest disagreement. Thing is, they wanted to take 3 WRs the year KK drafted a bunch. They wanted to take more the next year. They want more now. These same folks then turn around and act like management didn't try to give Kyler support, which it clearly did when it drafted... what is that.... 8-12 WRs in a few years. If we take a couple more this year. I'm open to giving Kyler another year and honest debate on him. I just don't really enjoy hearing it from those who supported the KK hire to begin with, because if you look at the arguments they made when we hired KK, they were either blindly biased, or just ignorant. And while everyone is entitled to an opinion on a fan board, it's hard to take them seriously when they are wrong on 70-80% of their picks. And the KK hire was perhaps the most obvious blunder - ahead of time - to anyone who followed his career at Texas Tech. PS... I'm not directing the above comment at you BRF. I don't even recall where you stood on the KK hire. I just recall there were 4 or 5 of us who were vehemently against the KK hire. Heck, I think I went on record saying it would set us back 5 years as a franchise. And I recall getting laughed at by some who thought it was hyperbole. I think I could have stomached the Kyler pick a lot more if another coach drafted him. Instead, we let KK draft a bunch of guys who can't play or didn't match up well with Kyler. And Kyler got no development. So if anything, I feel like the folks who wanted KK are just as much as fault for Kyler's failure to develop, because they wanted to the dang coach to begin with. Admittedly, I was ok with the KK hire because I knew it would insure K1 as the Cardinal selection @ no.1. That being said, none of us fans realized the discord and rift that would ensue in the next 4 seasons between Murray and Kliff. Kyler was in charge of the offense from draft day. That's a lot to put on a rookie QB fresh into the NFL. We completely agree on Kingsbury now as I was wrong in supporting the hire of KK. I've stated this in many threads since Kliff's firing. Still not giving up on Murray. He showed me enough in his return from injury. K1, imo, is a top 10 QB in the NFL. I'm hoping the new brass builds a roster that will accommodate K1's talent including the defense. Kyler has been amenable from the first day Ossenfort and Gannon took over. I believe 5 years after he was drafted, he's accepted the fact he still needs to be developed as an NFL quarterback.
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