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Post by cardinalsins on Mar 20, 2024 7:36:52 GMT -7
JV on podcast yesterday was bummed out a bit because a couple of things happened which appear to point toward a Cardinals trade down to gather more picks. JV points out the following which just happened in the last 24 hrs - - MHJ (he had been liking any posts linking him being a Cardinal) liked a post which stated the Chargers only WR's were Josh Palmer & Quentin Johnston.
- Sports Books on odds of JJ McCarthy being the 4th pick in the draft went from +425 to only +300
It would appear according to Vegas that substantive talks have occurred between the Cards and Vikings for a trade ... it'll be interesting if this line on JJ McCarthy moves toward +200 or lower soon. It'll be very interesting to see how this betting line moves after McCarthy's Pro Day on the 22nd. The podcast outlined failures in trade down scenarios as well. The Dolphins and Raiders come to mind. It's a risk...especially since I'm not sure how good Monti is with regard to talent eval.
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 20, 2024 11:11:43 GMT -7
I have no problem with the draft going something like this:
1. Bears take Williams 2. Commanders take Daniels 3. Pats take Maye 4. Giants, Broncos, Vikings, and Raiders all vastly prefer McCarthy over Nix or Penix, Jr and send in multiple competing offers.
When we “fell” to pick #4, I didn’t imagine still being in a position to potentially be blessed to be the target spot for a QB trade war. I should have imagined it, as the quality at QB1 in the league is currently pretty awful and so many teams need one.
If the Vikings truly would package #11, #23 and their 2025 1st rounder we would be nuts not to take it. We have so many holes and even MHJ is not a guarantee. Putting all the chips on one guy exposes you to greater injury risk and impact. I’d rather have five 1st rounders these next two drafts than MHJ and #27 this year and only our own next year. Do you guys realize the cap savings of five 1st round, 5 year rookie contracts compared to three? This trade allows us to do more in future free agency as well.
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Post by cardinal225 on Mar 21, 2024 8:48:20 GMT -7
I have no problem with the draft going something like this: 1. Bears take Williams 2. Commanders take Daniels 3. Pats take Maye 4. Giants, Broncos, Vikings, and Raiders all vastly prefer McCarthy over Nix or Penix, Jr and send in multiple competing offers. When we “fell” to pick #4, I didn’t imagine still being in a position to potentially be blessed to be the target spot for a QB trade war. I should have imagined it, as the quality at QB1 in the league is currently pretty awful and so many teams need one. If the Vikings truly would package #11, #23 and their 2025 1st rounder we would be nuts not to take it. We have so many holes and even MHJ is not a guarantee. Putting all the chips on one guy exposes you to greater injury risk and impact. I’d rather have five 1st rounders these next two drafts than MHJ and #27 this year and only our own next year. Do you guys realize the cap savings of five 1st round, 5 year rookie contracts compared to three? This trade allows us to do more in future free agency as well. well the quarterbacks coming out next year aren’t very good. I think it’s the perfect time
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Post by cardinalsins on Mar 21, 2024 12:08:31 GMT -7
I have no problem with the draft going something like this: 1. Bears take Williams 2. Commanders take Daniels 3. Pats take Maye 4. Giants, Broncos, Vikings, and Raiders all vastly prefer McCarthy over Nix or Penix, Jr and send in multiple competing offers. When we “fell” to pick #4, I didn’t imagine still being in a position to potentially be blessed to be the target spot for a QB trade war. I should have imagined it, as the quality at QB1 in the league is currently pretty awful and so many teams need one. If the Vikings truly would package #11, #23 and their 2025 1st rounder we would be nuts not to take it. We have so many holes and even MHJ is not a guarantee. Putting all the chips on one guy exposes you to greater injury risk and impact. I’d rather have five 1st rounders these next two drafts than MHJ and #27 this year and only our own next year. Do you guys realize the cap savings of five 1st round, 5 year rookie contracts compared to three? This trade allows us to do more in future free agency as well. That's assuming we get the first next year. The position points don't add up. I get that there is a QB tax...but the real trade could be for much less. Then you factor the hit rate of first round picks...which is less than 50%...and you may find yourself in an uncomfortable situation. Being the GM that passed on Marv.
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 21, 2024 14:08:18 GMT -7
I have no problem with the draft going something like this: 1. Bears take Williams 2. Commanders take Daniels 3. Pats take Maye 4. Giants, Broncos, Vikings, and Raiders all vastly prefer McCarthy over Nix or Penix, Jr and send in multiple competing offers. When we “fell” to pick #4, I didn’t imagine still being in a position to potentially be blessed to be the target spot for a QB trade war. I should have imagined it, as the quality at QB1 in the league is currently pretty awful and so many teams need one. If the Vikings truly would package #11, #23 and their 2025 1st rounder we would be nuts not to take it. We have so many holes and even MHJ is not a guarantee. Putting all the chips on one guy exposes you to greater injury risk and impact. I’d rather have five 1st rounders these next two drafts than MHJ and #27 this year and only our own next year. Do you guys realize the cap savings of five 1st round, 5 year rookie contracts compared to three? This trade allows us to do more in future free agency as well. That's assuming we get the first next year. The position points don't add up. I get that there is a QB tax...but the real trade could be for much less. Then you factor the hit rate of first round picks...which is less than 50%...and you may find yourself in an uncomfortable situation. Being the GM that passed on Marv. No one is a guarentee. A few years ago we were told Kyle Pitts was the generational TE, can’t miss guy. He was taken with pick #4 in 2021. He’s good, but mid. He was ranked the #19 TE in 2023. This is why you want more top 100 picks. The top three rounds are where most starters and stars are found. And as I mentioned, the cap consequences of good drafts are humongous. When you don’t need to staff your team with expensive, over-paid free agents, you can afford to go big on stars when you’re close to a Super Bowl.
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Post by cardinalsins on Mar 21, 2024 15:35:16 GMT -7
That's assuming we get the first next year. The position points don't add up. I get that there is a QB tax...but the real trade could be for much less. Then you factor the hit rate of first round picks...which is less than 50%...and you may find yourself in an uncomfortable situation. Being the GM that passed on Marv. No one is a guarentee. A few years ago we were told Kyle Pitts was the generational TE, can’t miss guy. He was taken with pick #4 in 2021. He’s good, but mid. He was ranked the #19 TE in 2023. This is why you want more top 100 picks. The top three rounds are where most starters and stars are found. And as I mentioned, the cap consequences of good drafts are humongous. When you don’t need to staff your team with expensive, over-paid free agents, you can afford to go big on stars when you’re close to a Super Bowl. To be fair...Kyle Pitts had Arthur Smith. I totally agree with you with regard to Marv not being a guarantee, but I belive the odds are in his favor. His dad is there theough this whole process...he definitely has an advantage that most prospects don't have. At 3+ First rounders...I would trade out. For two...maybe not.
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 21, 2024 15:52:36 GMT -7
No one is a guarentee. A few years ago we were told Kyle Pitts was the generational TE, can’t miss guy. He was taken with pick #4 in 2021. He’s good, but mid. He was ranked the #19 TE in 2023. This is why you want more top 100 picks. The top three rounds are where most starters and stars are found. And as I mentioned, the cap consequences of good drafts are humongous. When you don’t need to staff your team with expensive, over-paid free agents, you can afford to go big on stars when you’re close to a Super Bowl. To be fair...Kyle Pitts had Arthur Smith. I totally agree with you with regard to Marv not being a guarantee, but I belive the odds are in his favor. His dad is there theough this whole process...he definitely has an advantage that most prospects don't have. At 3+ First rounders...I would trade out. For two...maybe not. Agree.
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