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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 15, 2024 14:04:49 GMT -7
Word today that the Vikings have traded to receive the #23rd pick from the Texans, and giving up pick 42, 188 and a 2nd rounder next year. They also hold pick #11.
IMO, they would only be doing this because they were unable to re-sign Cousins and are planning to move up to secure their QBOF. I don’t think any of the top three will trade out and give up their shots at the top three QBs. Vikings are said to be enamored with JJ McCarthy.
Do they not want to risk losing out on their QB? According to the 2024 draft trade chart, our #4 pick is worth 1800 points. #11 plus #23 would be 2010 points. Would that be enough of a QB tax to entice the Cardinals into a trade? We would then have picks #11, 23 and 27 in the first round, as well as #35 in the second and #66, 71 and 90 in the third. Might they add fourth round pick #108 as well? We already own pick #104. Could we land nine of the top 100 players in this deep draft?
What are your thoughts on this one? I’d be interested.
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Post by bigevil1 on Mar 15, 2024 14:24:44 GMT -7
If they offer their 2 1st round picks, I'm saying we make the trade. 3 1st round picks would be very good for our rebuilding process. I know we would miss out on MHJ, but I truly feel we could get 3 starters with those 3 picks.
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 15, 2024 14:27:26 GMT -7
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Mar 15, 2024 15:09:05 GMT -7
Lets do the draft math on the above Our pick #4 1800 points Minus #11 1250 #23 760 Next years 1st rounder is worth 590 points = to # 32nd this year Using the middle of the 2nd rd for convenience 420 points = the 2nd rd pick today which is #48th overall 2010 points plus 420 2430 overall That sounds a bit lop sided 2430 for 1800 But there is a QB premium what that is worth can be a lot, In this situation, It might be worth the 420 points First off, More likely the 1st 3 draft picks are QBs at this point The Cardinals may be senising that. That increases the value of the 4th overall pick. The team that wants McCarthy will have to move up to get him. McCarthy has had his value shoot up during the off season. He went from a low 1st 20 or more back to a 15-20 then a 10-15. Now a top 5 even. The key word is Assurance You have to pay up to move up and draft your guy.
The Chargers are at #5 overall . The Vikings could trade up to take McCarthy at #5. But that is not Assurance, To get that the Vikings will have to trade up to #4 or higher and that would be up to Monti to pull the trigger. The 49ers trade up for Trey Lance at #3 2200 points They gave up the 12th minus 1200 minus 1st in 22 draft #29 640 points minus 3rd 22 draft #101 96 minus 1st in 23 draft #29 640 376 negative for the 49ers They paid that premium 420 is not that far off FLCF
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Post by CardsFanQC on Mar 15, 2024 16:20:39 GMT -7
Could the Cards get - AND also pick up an "extra" 2025 1st rounder or 2nd rounder in the trade ? #11 - Dallas Turner, Edge Alabama #23 - Byron Murphy JR, DT - Texas #27 - Terrion Arnold CB - Alabama or Nate Wiggins CB - Clemson #35 - Brian Thomas Jr. WR - LSU
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Post by belac44 on Mar 15, 2024 16:25:24 GMT -7
Could the Cards get - AND also pick up an "extra" 2025 1st rounder or 2nd rounder in the trade ? #11 - Dallas Turner, Edge Alabama #23 - Byron Murphy JR, DT - Texas #27 - Terrion Arnold CB - Alabama or Nate Wiggins CB - Clemson #35 - Brian Thomas Jr. WR - LSU Nice haul but I do not think Arnold or Thomas JR are there at those spots. Purely opinion.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Mar 15, 2024 16:55:33 GMT -7
Could the Cards get - AND also pick up an "extra" 2025 1st rounder or 2nd rounder in the trade ? #11 - Dallas Turner, Edge Alabama #23 - Byron Murphy JR, DT - Texas #27 - Terrion Arnold CB - Alabama or Nate Wiggins CB - Clemson #35 - Brian Thomas Jr. WR - LSU 1250 #11 760 #23 590 #32 1st next year minus value for being a 2025 480+1250+760= 2490 2490 - 1800 = 690 That wont cut it we would need to give back a 4th and a 6th or greater - 86 points+ 19.4 _105 points take away from the 690 585 is too high iMHO Lets try this package #4 for #11 swap #27 for #23 1800 #4 plus 680 #27 = 2480 minus #11 1250 #23 760 = 2010 Minnesota's 1st next season would do it #32 (thinking the worst we get back) #590 (You have to think the worst) Like with Houston Texans this year. 470- 590 = 120 <That is not enough for us We need another 260- 300 points IMHO Which equates to a late 2nd or very early 3rd rd pick Don't forget the QB premium very close dont forget Trey Lance was like 376 premium
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Post by flash on Mar 15, 2024 17:52:44 GMT -7
Word today that the Vikings have traded to receive the #23rd pick from the Texans, and giving up pick 42, 188 and a 2nd rounder next year. They also hold pick #11. IMO, they would only be doing this because they were unable to re-sign Cousins and are planning to move up to secure their QBOF. I don’t think any of the top three will trade out and give up their shots at the top three QBs. Vikings are said to be enamored with JJ McCarthy. Do they not want to risk losing out on their QB? According to the 2024 draft trade chart, our #4 pick is worth 1800 points. #11 plus #23 would be 2010 points. Would that be enough of a QB tax to entice the Cardinals into a trade? We would then have picks #11, 23 and 27 in the first round, as well as #35 in the second and #66, 71 and 90 in the third. Might they add fourth round pick #108 as well? We already own pick #104. Could we land nine of the top 100 players in this deep draft? What are your thoughts on this one? I’d be interested. My thoughts?
First of all, does any other team besides the Vikings need a QB and have two first round picks?
The Bears, Cardinals and Vikings have two first round draft picks. The Bears will take Caleb more than likely. We will not take a QB. So, why would the Vikings trade with the Chargers instead of us and pay less than to us? Would we actually give up our #4 pick that does not have two first round picks? I don't think that will happen.
So, it really does not matter how many points the trades are worth...it is not going to happen for us. Even a team that does not have two first round picks would probably try to trade up with the Chargers and not us to get McCarthy....
Is my logic not correct?
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Mar 15, 2024 18:33:12 GMT -7
Assurance over logic any day The points do matter to a degree. The QBS all have a premium but when 3 out of 4 are drafted that puts a bigger premium on the one left. If a team really wants him they move up. Case in point 49ers went all the way up to #3rd overall. That gave them the assurance of getting their guy.
At 4 The Cardinals can only say no if they really want Harrison But they can trade down if not and get more draft capital. Monti lost last year's trade down in hindsight ( See my post on that). Trade pints matter because Teams use the charts.
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Post by Chirpn’time on Mar 15, 2024 19:21:22 GMT -7
Could the Cards get - AND also pick up an "extra" 2025 1st rounder or 2nd rounder in the trade ? #11 - Dallas Turner, Edge Alabama #23 - Byron Murphy JR, DT - Texas #27 - Terrion Arnold CB - Alabama or Nate Wiggins CB - Clemson #35 - Brian Thomas Jr. WR - LSU Nice haul but I do not think Arnold or Thomas JR are there at those spots. Purely opinion. How about: #11- RT Fuago, RG Hernandez, C Hjalte, LG P Johnson, LT Williams #23- WR Brian Thomas #27- DL Robinson #35- DL Fiske Stick and pick after trade down at #4 or ammo to trade other pick higher in 1st. Monti is great in 2nd and 3rd rounds plenty of CB and WR talent as well as a IOL in this draft or edge in the third. With the two FA signings and two more top DL players the rotation is more in JG's wheelhouse. Buddha, Thompson and Bunting give great leadership in the secondary. Wilson and White are great at ILB. I think Thomas has a higher ceiling than MJH and more diverse and maybe easier to sign a second contract...would not lose sleep in sticking with MHJ
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Post by belac44 on Mar 15, 2024 20:02:44 GMT -7
Nice haul but I do not think Arnold or Thomas JR are there at those spots. Purely opinion. How about: #11- RT Fuago, RG Hernandez, C Hjalte, LG P Johnson, LT Williams #23- WR Brian Thomas #27- DL Robinson #35- DL Fiske Stick and pick after trade down at #4 or ammo to trade other pick higher in 1st. Monti is great in 2nd and 3rd rounds plenty of CB and WR talent as well as a IOL in this draft or edge in the third. With the two FA signings and two more top DL players the rotation is more in JG's wheelhouse. Buddha, Thompson and Bunting give great leadership in the secondary. Wilson and White are great at ILB. I think Thomas has a higher ceiling than MJH and more diverse and maybe easier to sign a second contract...would not lose sleep in sticking with MHJ I could get on board with that foursome. I don’t know about Paris at guard though. Might be better with top CB at 11. Get a LG at 35 potentially. So many different ways to go. I like those 4 guys though.
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Post by flash on Mar 15, 2024 20:22:27 GMT -7
Assurance over logic any day The points do matter to a degree. The QBS all have a premium but when 3 out of 4 are drafted that puts a bigger premium on the one left. If a team really wants him they move up. Case in point 49ers went all the way up to #3rd overall. That gave them the assurance of getting their guy.
At 4 The Cardinals can only say no if they really want Harrison But they can trade down if not and get more draft capital. Monti lost last year's trade down in hindsight ( See my post on that). Trade points matter because Teams use the charts. Florida, Are you talking about the QB that Purdy replaced? How did that turn out?
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Post by cardinalsins on Mar 15, 2024 20:39:46 GMT -7
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Post by cardinalsins on Mar 15, 2024 21:04:39 GMT -7
Had a little fun with the idea of taking the Vikings' picks. Basically fixed the DL in round 1. I like the idea of Troy Franklin in the slot, and Pearsall (Slick Rick) on the outside. I tripled up at CB so that at least 1 hits, I'm betting on Melton. Overall, it was a quick turn around. I anticipate some sacks with this squad. Attachments:
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 15, 2024 21:41:32 GMT -7
Had a little fun with the idea of taking the Vikings' picks. Basically fixed the DL in round 1. I like the idea of Troy Franklin in the slot, and Pearsall (Slick Rick) on the outside. I tripled up at CB so that at least 1 hits, I'm betting on Melton. Overall, it was a quick turn around. I anticipate some sacks with this squad. I’ve been having a little fun too with the mocks and this trade. I landed WR Odunze at #11, who I’m not yet convinced I like much less than MHJ. That set me up to go Edge Chop Robinson at #23, my choice of CB Wiggins or Kool-Aid with #27, DT Leonard Taylor at #35, G Beebe at #66, DT Fisk at #71, and LB Colton at #90. I took freakish 6’-6”, 231 lb, 4.5 40 yard dash Johnny Wilson with pick #104. And then the Vikings 1st rounder next year as well? Not too shabby!
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