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Post by supercard on Mar 18, 2024 12:35:29 GMT -7
How about a Monti special- we trade with Vikings and get their 11 and 23 plus 3rd rounder. We trade back up with Atlanta at 8 and pick off Odunze. We still have the 23, 27, and 35. Some good starters available. We give back to Atlanta 11 and top 3rd pick. We would be contenders for a wild card right off bat. What's interesting is Bower's injury could make him fall to 11. I think I'd actually take Bowers at 11, then use one of the extra picks to get another top WR since we'd still have enough extra capital for OL and DL. I'd go 11- Bowers (if still there) 23 - Best WR avail 27 - Best DL 35 - Oregon Center if he's still there, or best RT So many ways to go, it would be great to have a Ferrari (MHJ) parked in front of a trailer. But much rather finish my very nice house in the burbs. I suspect that if the Pats don’t take the deal with Vikings we will.
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Post by cardinalsins on Mar 18, 2024 13:13:13 GMT -7
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 18, 2024 21:51:54 GMT -7
I think Minnesota don't have to trade up to us this has all been smoke and mirrors they are pretty sure we are not drafting Qb and niether is SD and SD is behind us. We are not trading down we are staying at 4. Just don't see it this is the crazy season.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Mar 19, 2024 2:20:52 GMT -7
I think Minnesota don't have to trade up to us this has all been smoke and mirrors they are pretty sure we are not drafting Qb and niether is SD and SD is behind us. We are not trading down we are staying at 4. Just don't see it this is the crazy season. this is why the draft is going to be so interesting. The raiders definitely need a quarterback as well and the Giants might be ready to move on from Daniel jones. The only way I see the Vikings trading with us however is if they fall in love with McCarthy and they want to get ahead of the raiders and maybe the Giants to pick a quarterback. I agree with you that San Diego is not taking a quarterback. If the trade like this happens it is not going to be with the team that wants to take a quarterback but one team trying to get ahead of other teams that will take a quarterback. Like I said in one of my earlier posts, if Minnesota comes calling then I'm calling the Giants and the raiders to see if I can squeeze more out of them before I make a deal with Minnesota. Just imagine the chaos that will be if one of the top three teams do not take a quarterback. Then all of a sudden one of those three guys plus McCarthy would be available at spot number four. In a perfect world the Cardinals could then auction that pick off for everything. I'm also going to throw the Jets into the quarterback mix as well. Be pretty risky for them to go into the season depending on it older injured Aaron Rodgers to be healthy the entire year. Wouldn't it be funny the bad for all of our conjecture, and all the conjecture by the talking heads where the draft went straight chalk LOL
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Post by flash on Mar 19, 2024 7:20:38 GMT -7
Just out of curiosity, I visited the Vikings forum....
Not a single member mentions a trade up with us...they are all thinking the trade up will be with the Patriots or one higher.
Here is the link to their forum, it is the last page only....
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Post by ~MainEvent~ on Mar 19, 2024 9:48:27 GMT -7
This team took a lineman that didn’t even make an all rookie team after trading down and passing up the defensive rookie of the year. Now on a team that lacks elite talent people are okay with trading down from one of the blue chip talents to take a bunch of tier 3 player’s
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Post by aris on Mar 19, 2024 10:23:11 GMT -7
Just out of curiosity, I visited the Vikings forum....
Not a single member mentions a trade up with us...they are all thinking the trade up will be with the Patriots or one higher.
Here is the link to their forum, it is the last page only....
why would the QB hungry Patriots who have signed none of the FA QB's trade out of their position. Only dumb Viking fans think that's a possibility. Our #4 position will have value if they think a guy like McCarthy. is worthy. He is trending upwards (not IMO) so our #4 pick will possibly have tremendous value. that being said I say stick with it and take Marvin
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 19, 2024 13:19:09 GMT -7
I think Minnesota don't have to trade up to us this has all been smoke and mirrors they are pretty sure we are not drafting Qb and niether is SD and SD is behind us. We are not trading down we are staying at 4. Just don't see it this is the crazy season. We all saw how dim the starting QB situation in the NFL was last year. Folks were saying Kyler was garbage and we needed to move on and take a $40+ million cap hit. Yet when I asked folks to name 15 better QB1’s, no one would take me up. its not about us or SD not taking a QB. It’s the fact that the Vikings NEED a QB1, or they are wasting an otherwise solid roster including WR phenom Jefferson. It’s the fact that they pick #11, and there happen to be a ton more teams who need a QB1 as well. Two of them happen to be picking right behind them at #12 and #13. Monti will have several competing trade offers for pick #4, and that competition could land us a haul.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 19, 2024 18:08:53 GMT -7
Just out of curiosity, I visited the Vikings forum.... Not a single member mentions a trade up with us...they are all thinking the trade up will be with the Patriots or one higher. Here is the link to their forum, it is the last page only.... They are not gonna get that high better throw 4 number 1's in.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Mar 19, 2024 18:16:48 GMT -7
Word today that the Vikings have traded to receive the #23rd pick from the Texans, and giving up pick 42, 188 and a 2nd rounder next year. They also hold pick #11. IMO, they would only be doing this because they were unable to re-sign Cousins and are planning to move up to secure their QBOF. I don’t think any of the top three will trade out and give up their shots at the top three QBs. Vikings are said to be enamored with JJ McCarthy. Do they not want to risk losing out on their QB? According to the 2024 draft trade chart, our #4 pick is worth 1800 points. #11 plus #23 would be 2010 points. Would that be enough of a QB tax to entice the Cardinals into a trade? We would then have picks #11, 23 and 27 in the first round, as well as #35 in the second and #66, 71 and 90 in the third. Might they add fourth round pick #108 as well? We already own pick #104. Could we land nine of the top 100 players in this deep draft? What are your thoughts on this one? I’d be interested. My thoughts?
First of all, does any other team besides the Vikings need a QB and have two first round picks?
The Bears, Cardinals and Vikings have two first round draft picks. The Bears will take Caleb more than likely. We will not take a QB. So, why would the Vikings trade with the Chargers instead of us and pay less than to us? Would we actually give up our #4 pick that does not have two first round picks? I don't think that will happen.
So, it really does not matter how many points the trades are worth...it is not going to happen for us. Even a team that does not have two first round picks would probably try to trade up with the Chargers and not us to get McCarthy....
Is my logic not correct?
your logic is sound. And that is why Monty needs to be having conversations with the Giants as well and making sure the Vikings know that.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 19, 2024 18:26:10 GMT -7
I think Minnesota don't have to trade up to us this has all been smoke and mirrors they are pretty sure we are not drafting Qb and niether is SD and SD is behind us. We are not trading down we are staying at 4. Just don't see it this is the crazy season. We all saw how dim the starting QB situation in the NFL was last year. Folks were saying Kyler was garbage and we needed to move on and take a $40+ million cap hit. Yet when I asked folks to name 15 better QB1’s, no one would take me up. its not about us or SD not taking a QB. It’s the fact that the Vikings NEED a QB1, or they are wasting an otherwise solid roster including WR phenom Jefferson. It’s the fact that they pick #11, and there happen to be a ton more teams who need a QB1 as well. Two of them happen to be picking right behind them at #12 and #13. Monti will have several competing trade offers for pick #4, and that competition could land us a haul. Possible but you are getting to dart board territory. I would stay and take MHJ and just continue with the build, We have to have a Wr 1 period. Do you remember what happened to giving up that 3rd pick last year? We got dart board throws for a defensive player of the year and you want to do it again. Perfect example of quantity over quality. Did it last year now let's draft a weapon for our Qb. The thing is right now KM has shown he could be serviceable but we will see.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 19, 2024 18:28:25 GMT -7
My thoughts? First of all, does any other team besides the Vikings need a QB and have two first round picks? The Bears, Cardinals and Vikings have two first round draft picks. The Bears will take Caleb more than likely. We will not take a QB. So, why would the Vikings trade with the Chargers instead of us and pay less than to us? Would we actually give up our #4 pick that does not have two first round picks? I don't think that will happen. So, it really does not matter how many points the trades are worth...it is not going to happen for us. Even a team that does not have two first round picks would probably try to trade up with the Chargers and not us to get McCarthy.... Is my logic not correct?
your logic is sound. And that is why Monty needs to be having conversations with the Giants as well and making sure the Vikings know that. Cardinals signed another olineman today They need a weapon on the offense.
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Post by AZBarbarian on Mar 19, 2024 22:15:37 GMT -7
I sure hope we don't do a trade with Minnesota. If we do, we need a first next year too rather than their later first (or both).
Everyone is so enamored with trading down... We need some blue chips too. We already have plenty of picks to fill some holes.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Mar 20, 2024 3:30:55 GMT -7
I sure hope we don't do a trade with Minnesota. If we do, we need a first next year too rather than their later first (or both). Everyone is so enamored with trading down... We need some blue chips too. We already have plenty of picks to fill some holes. if Marvin Harrison Jr is indeed a generational talent and there is separation between him and the other top three or four receivers then I would not trade down unless someone was willing to give the farm. It never hurts to at least listen to some teams offer. The crazy thing is none of the top five or six quarterbacks are nowhere near as good a prospect as some we've had in the past. It just shows how desperate teams get when they don't have a quarterback and how important the quarterback is to the organization.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Mar 20, 2024 7:28:12 GMT -7
JV on podcast yesterday was bummed out a bit because a couple of things happened which appear to point toward a Cardinals trade down to gather more picks. JV points out the following which just happened in the last 24 hrs - - MHJ (he had been liking any posts linking him being a Cardinal) liked a post which stated the Chargers only WR's were Josh Palmer & Quentin Johnston.
- Sports Books on odds of JJ McCarthy being the 4th pick in the draft went from +425 to only +300
It would appear according to Vegas that substantive talks have occurred between the Cards and Vikings for a trade ... it'll be interesting if this line on JJ McCarthy moves toward +200 or lower soon. It'll be very interesting to see how this betting line moves after McCarthy's Pro Day on the 22nd.
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