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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Sept 3, 2023 16:21:07 GMT -7
There's a season to be played before the draft comes around again, lots can happen obviously. Do we even know that Maye will declare after this season? If the coaches and gm are not convinced in KM I don't see them passing on both of these kids and they are not the only ones to consider but for a 2nd shot at a guy like Mahomes which is what I see in Caleb that is why at this time for me he is the leader in the clubhouse. I saw some good things from KM but we also some bad and mistakes he keeps repeating and not learning from. If they are convinced on KM so be it we will be loaded with picks to fill this roster. I still think even if we go Qb we have lots of picks to get the new Qb some help. I think seeing this Qb class you can't pass on unless you are convinced KM is the guy.
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Post by End Zone on Sept 3, 2023 16:22:39 GMT -7
ESPN came to Maye's defense after the game. Two premier UNC WRs were not on the field. That might affect the QB's stats. Ya think. Cards should be looking for the best capable fit in every player they draft. We do not know all the criteria or the background checks and personal interviews. We speculate…the team has a scouting and drafting strategy that only they are privy to. I enjoy speculating as much as any forum member on prospects, non of us are as good at it as we think.LOL Fans have opinions and team employees job future are dependent on their proficiency. My greatest hope is Monti has assembled a staff of KILLERS. The worse thing that happens to us is Native AZ trashes us. ( A little poke at one of my favorites…not to be taken seriously, but seriously he will call you out. Ha Ha Ha) Native has a point. K1 has 4 years more pro experience than Williams and Maye combined. Since these 2 guys have zero experience, its a fair judgment that K1 is better. As for the rest of the argument, K1 doesn't stand up to any other NFL QB...literally stand up to them either. Throw out ROY. That's a low bar. Playoffs? That was achieved when the team hit 7-0 before the big melt down. WR to catch passes? Greene was a POS! BUT, someone has to throw the ball to them POSs. If Murray plays again in 2023 and plays lights out, then the convo's about drafting a QB in 2024 go out the window. IF IF IF....first, K1 has to play and win in 2023. What he did in 2019/20/21/22 is for bragging. What have you done lately in 2023, Mr. Murray? That's the question to be answered later.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Sept 3, 2023 16:33:50 GMT -7
Speaking as a football fan I would hate to see a season go by with my team tanking to try to get a player the season goes by so fast and the offseason is so long I want to see competitive playing to win football on the field..THAT has to be a terrible feeling knowing your team is not trying to win..FRANKLY THAT'S SUCKS!!! This Team will Not Tank under Gannon. Absolutely guarantee it! Gannon is not that type of person. Maybe we shouldn't say tank the team is that bad they can get that number one pick with without tanking. We can get the number 1 pick through the Texans and or the Cardinals just being that bad. Absolutely some of you are gonna be very disappointed when you see how bad this team can be.
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Post by End Zone on Sept 3, 2023 16:40:07 GMT -7
CW at 3:40 looked scary good and exactly like KM did at Game 2 v. LAR in 2022. KM was Houdini all 4th quarter. Lucky the Cardinals Murphy scooped up the fumble in OT and ran it back for 6. Otherwise, we all forget about KM's antics in the 4th and the team sinks to an awful record and season.
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Post by End Zone on Sept 3, 2023 16:47:14 GMT -7
Many of you are wanting Caleb and/or Marvin Harrison Jr. next draft. Well let's look at Kyler's stats in college and the NFL to see how Caleb compares at the college level and what to expect at the NFL level. Passing Yards Kyler Murray 2015: 686 yards (8 games, 121 attempts) 2017: 359 yards (7 games, 359 attempts) 2018: 4361 yards (14 games, 377 attempts) Caleb Williams 2021: 1912 yards (11 games, 211 attempts) 2022: 4537 yards (14 games, 500 attempts) Take note...compare Murray's and Caleb's best season. Williams had 4537 passing yards and Murray had 4361 passing yards. Caleb had 176 more passing yards than Murray. However, Caleb had 123(500 attempts) more passing attempts than Murray. Would Murray have equaled or surpassed Caleb in passing yards had he had 123 more passing attempts? Rushing Yards Kyler Murray 2015: 335 yards (8 games, 53 attempts) 2017: 142 yards (7 games, 142 attempts) 2018: 1001 yards (14 games, 140 attempts) Caleb Williams 2021: 441 yards (11 games, 79 attempts) 2022: 382 yards (14 games, 113 attempts) Take note...Murray was a much better runner than Caleb has been. Why have I posted their stats? Because I will show how Murray has done entering the NFL. As good as Murray was in college, his NFL record is this: Murray's Quarterback Record (Isn't this the most important stat for any QB?)
2019: 5/10/1 (16 game starts) 2020: 8/8/0 (16 game starts) 2021: 9/5/0 (14 game starts) 2022: 3/8/0 (11 game starts)Don't forget that Murray had Fitzgerald and Kir as his WR's in his rookie year. He then had Hopkins in his second year. Even though Hopkins had 1407 receiving yards and 6 TD's, our record was 8/8. That was Murray's second season. Oh, did I mention that Fitz and Kirk were the #2 and #3 WR that year? So, what is my point? Murray having Fitzgerald, Hopkins and Kirk for his WR's was only able to get us to an 8/8 win/loss record. Murray and Calebs college stats are pretty equal. If we draft Caleb and Marvin Harrison Jr., who will be our #2 and #3 WR? Many of you are so sure that Hollywood will not be here next year? Who on our roster would be equal to Fitzgerald and Kirk as the #2 and #3 WR's? My point is will it take Caleb one to two years to acclimate to the NFL? Oh, one more thing. Many are so sure we will have the draft picks to get Caleb and Marvin Harrison Jr. What if the Texans win 7 to 8 games? Would we give up a lot of next years draft picks to move up for Harrison? Can that happen where the Texans win more games this season? I am going to say that C.J. Stroud will win one to two more games than Davis Mills did last season. You can debate that if you want, but I will just leave it at that. The Texans have pretty much the same WR Corp they had last season. So just on Stroud being drafted much higher than Mills, is why I see a one win game over Mills. However, the defense will make the difference. First they have as their HC, one of the best DC's from last season. Be assured that he will step in to help his DC if he needs to. Oh, did I mention they have Will Anderson? The Texans tied one game last season. They lost 5 games by 7 points or less. Hmm...will a better defensive minded Head Coach be able to make a difference in game losses vs. wins compared to the defense last season? I see another win just on Ryans defensive experience. Dameon Pierce will have one year of experience under his belt. Will that contribute to one extra win? And, they picked up Devin Singletary...will that add a win? I see 3 more wins than last season on what I mentioned above. That tie game last season? Would a better defense have given them the win? Either way, I see them winning 6 to 7 games this season. If we draft Caleb...that will be 3 QB's taken in the first round in the last 6 years...ouch. 2019: 5/10/1 (16 game starts) 2020: 8/8/0 (16 game starts) 2021: 9/5/0 (14 game starts) 2022: 3/8/0 (11 game starts) Flash, superb research! Thanks. Fact: There are no KM numbers to go along with playoffs wins and a championship. So, why the heck should I care about any stats if he doesn't deliver the good stuff? So, what you are saying is that the Texans and Cardinals are better than analyst's forecasts and we should temper our desire for 2 high picks in 2024. Makes sense.
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Post by knobby on Sept 3, 2023 16:47:29 GMT -7
Your overall point is valid, but if by "favorite prodigy" you mean KM, I have to disagree. Murray has a very fat contract. And KK was extended prior to being fired, remember? So he also has (or had, maybe) a fat wallet as a pillow to cry on. Neither have suffered any monetary damage by being with the Cardinals. KK's Pride might be damaged, but Murray is still here and smiling, and KK though gone, is in a paradise for bachelors. Not too shabby a situation for either of them, and hardly a case of being "screwed over".
IMHO
Los Angeles?? Let's say greater L.A. Where all the wannabe stars, starlets and semi-pro gold diggers hang out while hoping to become famous...
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Post by Dry Heat on Sept 3, 2023 16:50:48 GMT -7
Many of you are wanting Caleb and/or Marvin Harrison Jr. next draft. Well let's look at Kyler's stats in college and the NFL to see how Caleb compares at the college level and what to expect at the NFL level. Passing Yards Kyler Murray 2015: 686 yards (8 games, 121 attempts) 2017: 359 yards (7 games, 359 attempts) 2018: 4361 yards (14 games, 377 attempts) Caleb Williams 2021: 1912 yards (11 games, 211 attempts) 2022: 4537 yards (14 games, 500 attempts) Take note...compare Murray's and Caleb's best season. Williams had 4537 passing yards and Murray had 4361 passing yards. Caleb had 176 more passing yards than Murray. However, Caleb had 123(500 attempts) more passing attempts than Murray. Would Murray have equaled or surpassed Caleb in passing yards had he had 123 more passing attempts? Rushing Yards Kyler Murray 2015: 335 yards (8 games, 53 attempts) 2017: 142 yards (7 games, 142 attempts) 2018: 1001 yards (14 games, 140 attempts) Caleb Williams 2021: 441 yards (11 games, 79 attempts) 2022: 382 yards (14 games, 113 attempts) Take note...Murray was a much better runner than Caleb has been. Why have I posted their stats? Because I will show how Murray has done entering the NFL. As good as Murray was in college, his NFL record is this: Murray's Quarterback Record (Isn't this the most important stat for any QB?) 2019: 5/10/1 (16 game starts) 2020: 8/8/0 (16 game starts) 2021: 9/5/0 (14 game starts) 2022: 3/8/0 (11 game starts) Don't forget that Murray had Fitzgerald and Kir as his WR's in his rookie year. He then had Hopkins in his second year. Even though Hopkins had 1407 receiving yards and 6 TD's, our record was 8/8. That was Murray's second season. Oh, did I mention that Fitz and Kirk were the #2 and #3 WR that year? So, what is my point? Murray having Fitzgerald, Hopkins and Kirk for his WR's was only able to get us to an 8/8 win/loss record. Murray and Calebs college stats are pretty equal. If we draft Caleb and Marvin Harrison Jr., who will be our #2 and #3 WR? Many of you are so sure that Hollywood will not be here next year? Who on our roster would be equal to Fitzgerald and Kirk as the #2 and #3 WR's? My point is will it take Caleb one to two years to acclimate to the NFL? Oh, one more thing. Many are so sure we will have the draft picks to get Caleb and Marvin Harrison Jr. What if the Texans win 7 to 8 games? Would we give up a lot of next years draft picks to move up for Harrison? Can that happen where the Texans win more games this season? I am going to say that C.J. Stroud will win one to two more games than Davis Mills did last season. You can debate that if you want, but I will just leave it at that. The Texans have pretty much the same WR Corp they had last season. So just on Stroud being drafted much higher than Mills, is why I see a one win game over Mills. However, the defense will make the difference. First they have as their HC, one of the best DC's from last season. Be assured that he will step in to help his DC if he needs to. Oh, did I mention they have Will Anderson? The Texans tied one game last season. They lost 5 games by 7 points or less. Hmm...will a better defensive minded Head Coach be able to make a difference in game losses vs. wins compared to the defense last season? I see another win just on Ryans defensive experience. Dameon Pierce will have one year of experience under his belt. Will that contribute to one extra win? And, they picked up Devin Singletary...will that add a win? I see 3 more wins than last season on what I mentioned above. That tie game last season? Would a better defense have given them the win? Either way, I see them winning 6 to 7 games this season. If we draft Caleb...that will be 3 QB's taken in the first round in the last 6 years...ouch. This is an important post as we speculate all season. I also posted a comparison between Kyler and Murray’s stats a few months ago. I believe I was the first member of the board to say that if Kyler Murray unexpectedly declared for the NFL draft, Keim should strongly consider him. This despite me feeling one year earlier that we were lucky to have been able to draft Josh a year earlier. Maybe that says something about me being . What I am meaning to say is that even though we do have Kyler under a huge contract, I think Monti must strongly consider one of the top two QB’s should they declare and remain everything they are now hyped up to be. This is how important I think the QB position is, alongside the reality that Kyler is coming off injury and does have some real concerns beyond just his health based on his 2022 season. If we don’t KNOW, 100%, that Kyler is both fully healed physically and mentally AND solid for the new offense, it is not a bad idea to grab a guy like Caleb. This is because it would lock up a very high potential and highly coveted QB for up to five years with the 1st round option into a very reasonable contract. We would then be able to play Kyler in a year where trading him will not get us much draft compensation or save us much cap space (due to his contract terms) as well as develop Williams in our offense. This frees up the need for a QB2 like the guys we have now, gives us a lot of insurance as we get a full year to observe Kyler’s development post-injury, and gives us an amazing Ace up our sleeve should Kyler look good or bad. If bad, trade Kyler and get out of the contract far more reasonably cap-wise reasonably after the 2024 season, and move forward with Caleb. If Kyler looks great, keep Caleb as a not too expensive luxury at the most important position, or trade him for his extremely valuable 4 years on a reasonable contract with one year of NFL training. He could easily land us a first rounder to a QB needy team. Im not going to get so enamored with any draft QB that I think they will be a savior. But taking one with a valuable draft pick could still be a wise business decision.
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Post by flash on Sept 3, 2023 17:00:04 GMT -7
Many of you are wanting Caleb and/or Marvin Harrison Jr. next draft. Well let's look at Kyler's stats in college and the NFL to see how Caleb compares at the college level and what to expect at the NFL level. Passing Yards Kyler Murray 2015: 686 yards (8 games, 121 attempts) 2017: 359 yards (7 games, 359 attempts) 2018: 4361 yards (14 games, 377 attempts) Caleb Williams 2021: 1912 yards (11 games, 211 attempts) 2022: 4537 yards (14 games, 500 attempts) Take note...compare Murray's and Caleb's best season. Williams had 4537 passing yards and Murray had 4361 passing yards. Caleb had 176 more passing yards than Murray. However, Caleb had 123(500 attempts) more passing attempts than Murray. Would Murray have equaled or surpassed Caleb in passing yards had he had 123 more passing attempts? Rushing Yards Kyler Murray 2015: 335 yards (8 games, 53 attempts) 2017: 142 yards (7 games, 142 attempts) 2018: 1001 yards (14 games, 140 attempts) Caleb Williams 2021: 441 yards (11 games, 79 attempts) 2022: 382 yards (14 games, 113 attempts) Take note...Murray was a much better runner than Caleb has been. Why have I posted their stats? Because I will show how Murray has done entering the NFL. As good as Murray was in college, his NFL record is this: Murray's Quarterback Record (Isn't this the most important stat for any QB?)
2019: 5/10/1 (16 game starts) 2020: 8/8/0 (16 game starts) 2021: 9/5/0 (14 game starts) 2022: 3/8/0 (11 game starts)Don't forget that Murray had Fitzgerald and Kir as his WR's in his rookie year. He then had Hopkins in his second year. Even though Hopkins had 1407 receiving yards and 6 TD's, our record was 8/8. That was Murray's second season. Oh, did I mention that Fitz and Kirk were the #2 and #3 WR that year? So, what is my point? Murray having Fitzgerald, Hopkins and Kirk for his WR's was only able to get us to an 8/8 win/loss record. Murray and Calebs college stats are pretty equal. If we draft Caleb and Marvin Harrison Jr., who will be our #2 and #3 WR? Many of you are so sure that Hollywood will not be here next year? Who on our roster would be equal to Fitzgerald and Kirk as the #2 and #3 WR's? My point is will it take Caleb one to two years to acclimate to the NFL? Oh, one more thing. Many are so sure we will have the draft picks to get Caleb and Marvin Harrison Jr. What if the Texans win 7 to 8 games? Would we give up a lot of next years draft picks to move up for Harrison? Can that happen where the Texans win more games this season? I am going to say that C.J. Stroud will win one to two more games than Davis Mills did last season. You can debate that if you want, but I will just leave it at that. The Texans have pretty much the same WR Corp they had last season. So just on Stroud being drafted much higher than Mills, is why I see a one win game over Mills. However, the defense will make the difference. First they have as their HC, one of the best DC's from last season. Be assured that he will step in to help his DC if he needs to. Oh, did I mention they have Will Anderson? The Texans tied one game last season. They lost 5 games by 7 points or less. Hmm...will a better defensive minded Head Coach be able to make a difference in game losses vs. wins compared to the defense last season? I see another win just on Ryans defensive experience. Dameon Pierce will have one year of experience under his belt. Will that contribute to one extra win? And, they picked up Devin Singletary...will that add a win? I see 3 more wins than last season on what I mentioned above. That tie game last season? Would a better defense have given them the win? Either way, I see them winning 6 to 7 games this season. If we draft Caleb...that will be 3 QB's taken in the first round in the last 6 years...ouch. 2019: 5/10/1 (16 game starts) 2020: 8/8/0 (16 game starts) 2021: 9/5/0 (14 game starts) 2022: 3/8/0 (11 game starts) Flash, superb research! Thanks. Fact: There are no KM numbers to go along with playoffs wins and a championship. So, why the heck should I care about any stats if he doesn't deliver the good stuff? So, what you are saying is that the Texans and Cardinals are better than analyst's forecasts and we should temper our desire for 2 high picks in 2024. Makes sense. Absolutely positively.....
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Post by flash on Sept 3, 2023 17:06:25 GMT -7
Many of you are wanting Caleb and/or Marvin Harrison Jr. next draft. Well let's look at Kyler's stats in college and the NFL to see how Caleb compares at the college level and what to expect at the NFL level. Passing Yards Kyler Murray 2015: 686 yards (8 games, 121 attempts) 2017: 359 yards (7 games, 359 attempts) 2018: 4361 yards (14 games, 377 attempts) Caleb Williams 2021: 1912 yards (11 games, 211 attempts) 2022: 4537 yards (14 games, 500 attempts) Take note...compare Murray's and Caleb's best season. Williams had 4537 passing yards and Murray had 4361 passing yards. Caleb had 176 more passing yards than Murray. However, Caleb had 123(500 attempts) more passing attempts than Murray. Would Murray have equaled or surpassed Caleb in passing yards had he had 123 more passing attempts? Rushing Yards Kyler Murray 2015: 335 yards (8 games, 53 attempts) 2017: 142 yards (7 games, 142 attempts) 2018: 1001 yards (14 games, 140 attempts) Caleb Williams 2021: 441 yards (11 games, 79 attempts) 2022: 382 yards (14 games, 113 attempts) Take note...Murray was a much better runner than Caleb has been. Why have I posted their stats? Because I will show how Murray has done entering the NFL. As good as Murray was in college, his NFL record is this: Murray's Quarterback Record (Isn't this the most important stat for any QB?) 2019: 5/10/1 (16 game starts) 2020: 8/8/0 (16 game starts) 2021: 9/5/0 (14 game starts) 2022: 3/8/0 (11 game starts) Don't forget that Murray had Fitzgerald and Kir as his WR's in his rookie year. He then had Hopkins in his second year. Even though Hopkins had 1407 receiving yards and 6 TD's, our record was 8/8. That was Murray's second season. Oh, did I mention that Fitz and Kirk were the #2 and #3 WR that year? So, what is my point? Murray having Fitzgerald, Hopkins and Kirk for his WR's was only able to get us to an 8/8 win/loss record. Murray and Calebs college stats are pretty equal. If we draft Caleb and Marvin Harrison Jr., who will be our #2 and #3 WR? Many of you are so sure that Hollywood will not be here next year? Who on our roster would be equal to Fitzgerald and Kirk as the #2 and #3 WR's? My point is will it take Caleb one to two years to acclimate to the NFL? Oh, one more thing. Many are so sure we will have the draft picks to get Caleb and Marvin Harrison Jr. What if the Texans win 7 to 8 games? Would we give up a lot of next years draft picks to move up for Harrison? Can that happen where the Texans win more games this season? I am going to say that C.J. Stroud will win one to two more games than Davis Mills did last season. You can debate that if you want, but I will just leave it at that. The Texans have pretty much the same WR Corp they had last season. So just on Stroud being drafted much higher than Mills, is why I see a one win game over Mills. However, the defense will make the difference. First they have as their HC, one of the best DC's from last season. Be assured that he will step in to help his DC if he needs to. Oh, did I mention they have Will Anderson? The Texans tied one game last season. They lost 5 games by 7 points or less. Hmm...will a better defensive minded Head Coach be able to make a difference in game losses vs. wins compared to the defense last season? I see another win just on Ryans defensive experience. Dameon Pierce will have one year of experience under his belt. Will that contribute to one extra win? And, they picked up Devin Singletary...will that add a win? I see 3 more wins than last season on what I mentioned above. That tie game last season? Would a better defense have given them the win? Either way, I see them winning 6 to 7 games this season. If we draft Caleb...that will be 3 QB's taken in the first round in the last 6 years...ouch. This is an important post as we speculate all season. I also posted a comparison between Kyler and Murray’s stats a few months ago. I believe I was the first member of the board to say that if Kyler Murray unexpectedly declared for the NFL draft, Keim should strongly consider him. This despite me feeling one year earlier that we were lucky to have been able to draft Josh a year earlier. Maybe that says something about me being . What I am meaning to say is that even though we do have Kyler under a huge contract, I think Monti must strongly consider one of the top two QB’s should they declare and remain everything they are now hyped up to be. This is how important I think the QB position is, alongside the reality that Kyler is coming off injury and does have some real concerns beyond just his health based on his 2022 season. If we don’t KNOW, 100%, that Kyler is both fully healed physically and mentally AND solid for the new offense, it is not a bad idea to grab a guy like Caleb. This is because it would lock up a very high potential and highly coveted QB for up to five years with the 1st round option into a very reasonable contract. We would then be able to play Kyler in a year where trading him will not get us much draft compensation or save us much cap space (due to his contract terms) as well as develop Williams in our offense. This frees up the need for a QB2 like the guys we have now, gives us a lot of insurance as we get a full year to observe Kyler’s development post-injury, and gives us an amazing Ace up our sleeve should Kyler look good or bad. If bad, trade Kyler and get out of the contract far more reasonably cap-wise reasonably after the 2024 season, and move forward with Caleb. If Kyler looks great, keep Caleb as a not too expensive luxury at the most important position, or trade him for his extremely valuable 4 years on a reasonable contract with one year of NFL training. He could easily land us a first rounder to a QB needy team. Im not going to get so enamored with any draft QB that I think they will be a savior. But taking one with a valuable draft pick could still be a wise business decision. I would rather draft the best defensive player/s instead of having two QB's drafted in the first round on our roster at the same time. We can draft a QB the following year if Murray does not pan out. How many QB's have won a Super Bowl that were drafted not #1 overall? Let me know on that.
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Post by Dry Heat on Sept 3, 2023 17:26:26 GMT -7
This is an important post as we speculate all season. I also posted a comparison between Kyler and Murray’s stats a few months ago. I believe I was the first member of the board to say that if Kyler Murray unexpectedly declared for the NFL draft, Keim should strongly consider him. This despite me feeling one year earlier that we were lucky to have been able to draft Josh a year earlier. Maybe that says something about me being . What I am meaning to say is that even though we do have Kyler under a huge contract, I think Monti must strongly consider one of the top two QB’s should they declare and remain everything they are now hyped up to be. This is how important I think the QB position is, alongside the reality that Kyler is coming off injury and does have some real concerns beyond just his health based on his 2022 season. If we don’t KNOW, 100%, that Kyler is both fully healed physically and mentally AND solid for the new offense, it is not a bad idea to grab a guy like Caleb. This is because it would lock up a very high potential and highly coveted QB for up to five years with the 1st round option into a very reasonable contract. We would then be able to play Kyler in a year where trading him will not get us much draft compensation or save us much cap space (due to his contract terms) as well as develop Williams in our offense. This frees up the need for a QB2 like the guys we have now, gives us a lot of insurance as we get a full year to observe Kyler’s development post-injury, and gives us an amazing Ace up our sleeve should Kyler look good or bad. If bad, trade Kyler and get out of the contract far more reasonably cap-wise reasonably after the 2024 season, and move forward with Caleb. If Kyler looks great, keep Caleb as a not too expensive luxury at the most important position, or trade him for his extremely valuable 4 years on a reasonable contract with one year of NFL training. He could easily land us a first rounder to a QB needy team. Im not going to get so enamored with any draft QB that I think they will be a savior. But taking one with a valuable draft pick could still be a wise business decision. I would rather draft the best defensive player/s instead of having two QB's drafted in the first round on our roster at the same time. We can draft a QB the following year if Murray does not pan out. How many QB's have won a Super Bowl that were drafted not #1 overall? Let me know on that. That’s fair. I just put a very high premium on the QB position and don’t feel I’ll be sold on Murray 100% by the end of this season.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Sept 4, 2023 4:22:25 GMT -7
Keep an eye out for KSU's Will Howard. Big, strong athletic kid who reminds me of Josh Allen. I watched him last year whenever KSU was televised. I realize he put up big numbers against this week's directional school patsy. Still, Howard is intriguing to me. Tough call between Caleb and Maye, at least while watching both games today. Maye facing a superior opponent (South Carolina) and head coach than Williams V. Nevada. Give me a healthy Kyler Murray? Howard has awful mechanics so I'm not sold on him. He's got an interesting history in that he sucked, I mean was a turnover machine for some time. Eventually, he lost his job and an injury allowed him back into the fold. Also, the success he did have was not just in the Big 12, but it was in one of the Big 12's worst years, competition wise. Do I like his size? Yes. Does he have a strong arm? Yes. But Wasn't Skelton sort of the same? I'm not saying Howard is Skeletor but I think he's a huge project, even more so than Allen. I'll have to see how he does this year against better competition, because his tape is just so up and down. The beginning shows why he earned the nickname 'Will the Butcher" lol..... He does get better later I think my biggest issue is he's got a slow release because he winds up. I also don't think his arm is remotely close to Josh Allen's. Allen can throw 70 yards and I rarely see Howard throw over 35 or 40. Kansas State has always run a weird offense. It's a lot of shotgun but not really a spread. They've always used a lot of power run plays from the shotgun then either thrown go routes off play action, or tried to hit a ton of outside bubble screens or middle screens. Very little of what they do translates to the pro game. They put out some great RBs and occasional WRs and OL but I rarely see much else.
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Post by Native Az on Sept 4, 2023 11:37:26 GMT -7
On the Cowherd show they just said that have spoken to people at USC and C.Williams wants nothing to do with the Cardinals.
Don’t shoot the messenger who said this weeks ago.
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Post by cardinalsdo on Sept 4, 2023 12:14:19 GMT -7
You have to be careful when judging any Lincoln Riley QB. There is a reason they look good. Lincoln Riley is a genius. His offense is designed to have a player completely wide open. Think of it like a motion offense in basketball. The other reason to be careful is Lincoln Riley does this against weak defenses. He has played in the Big 12 and Pac 12, two conferences known for bad defense. When Riley played against SEC teams, he didn't fare as well.
I'm not saying Caleb Williams isn't good but he is no Patrick Maholmes by any means. He has more in common with Kyler Murray to be honest. Maholmes is a taller receiver with a bigger arm and could throw it downfield and make the tough sideline throws. Williams is more of an all around athlete but isn't that big 6'1 barely and more like 6'0 and doesn't have a cannon of an arm. Williams makes a lot of plays with his feet.
None of the QB's in this upcoming draft really impressive including the kid from North Carolina
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Post by cardinalsdo on Sept 4, 2023 12:18:27 GMT -7
On the Cowherd show they just said that have spoken to people at USC and C.Williams wants nothing to do with the Cardinals. Don’t shoot the messenger who said this weeks ago. That's good. I want the Caleb Williams hype to go through the roof so we can get 3 or 4 first round picks for him. Williams is overrated and another Kyler Murray clone albeit a little taller. Caleb Williams wouldn't put up these stats playing in the SEC where he wouldn't have all day to throw and wide open receivers. Putting up big numbers in the Big 12 and Pac 12 is meaningless. When Lincoln Riley is your coach, that also is misleading. Riley's system is designed to isolate and lead to a wide open receiver. I would look amazing playing for Lincoln Riley. There is a reason Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray haven't lived up to their hype. Caleb is another one.
The SEC and Big 10 is more representative of the NFL than the Big 12 and Pac 12. No one plays defense in the Big 12 and Pac 12. Of course any QB is going to put crazy numbers in that system especially when Lincoln RIley is your coach. At the NFL level, it's a different story. You play under center. You have no time to throw. You have DB's who are as fast as your receivers and more physical. You have Defensive ends and tackles who are quick and won't get pancaked as easily in the Big 12 and Pac 12.
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Post by Native Az on Sept 4, 2023 12:24:40 GMT -7
On the Cowherd show they just said that have spoken to people at USC and C.Williams wants nothing to do with the Cardinals. Don’t shoot the messenger who said this weeks ago. That's good. I want the Caleb Williams hype to go through the roof so we can get 3 or 4 first round picks for him. Williams is overrated and another Kyler Murray clone albeit a little taller. Caleb Williams wouldn't put up these stats playing in the SEC where he wouldn't have all day to throw and wide open receivers. Putting up big numbers in the Big 12 and Pac 12 is meaningless. When Lincoln Riley is your coach, that also is misleading. Riley's system is designed to isolate and lead to a wide open receiver. I would look amazing playing for Lincoln Riley. There is a reason Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray haven't lived up to their hype. Caleb is another one.
My man you have to buy into the hype. He is the best QB prospect ever in the history of football. We agree on everything about CWilliams. I also hope the LA Media machine continues to roll on. Just like they did with Darnold, and Leinart. Let’s get 4 firsts for that pick and laugh all the way to drafting a monster team.
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