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Post by devongent on Dec 1, 2023 13:32:51 GMT -7
One of many needs on this team, need to beef up the interior and they may help those guys on the outside.That has been my exact thinking to date. A greater threat and push down the middle will make life easier on the outside and the hope is that the younger (recent) recruits should develop quicker and be more productive. The way things are shaping up then drafting at both IDL and OLB are going to be high up on the agenda.
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Post by Chirpn’time on Dec 1, 2023 15:23:33 GMT -7
One of many needs on this team, need to beef up the interior and they may help those guys on the outside.That has been my exact thinking to date. A greater threat and push down the middle will make life easier on the outside and the hope is that the younger (recent) recruits should develop quicker and be more productive. The way things are shaping up then drafting at both IDL and OLB are going to be high up on the agenda. An interesting OLB/Edge player in FA is Michael Hecht 6’4” 305LBs Was a DL player and STs and switched to OLB in 2023 and he has 4 sacks and a forced fumble in 2023. Maybe not a starter, but a solid rotational player who is diverse in skill set and at 26 he is young and is currently paid under $1M per year. He went Brown…so his brain works
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Post by CardsFanQC on Dec 1, 2023 15:46:20 GMT -7
Today on the ProFootBall Network with trades Mock -- I was too tempted and traded away pick #2 to TB for Pick #7, #73 AND a 2025 1st & 3 Rounder. Then at #7, I traded down again to #13 and picked up a high 2nd rounder at #39 and I believe a 5th rounder.
My picks for just 3 rounds (remember this does NOT obviously include the 2025 1st & 3 Rd picked up from TB.
#13 - Taliese Fuage RT Oregon State #17 - Nate Wiggins CB Clemson #34 - Xavier Legette WR South Carolina #39 - Tyler Nubin Safety MN #66 - Braden Trice Edge Washington #72 - Kamari Lassiter CB Georgia #73 - Tommy Eichenberg LB Ohio State #82 - T'Vondre Sweat DT Texas
Remember I want the #1 FA acquisition to be one of 2-3 LG's -- I'd probably go RB in 4th round but I only did 3 rounds for today. Safety Nubin is a stud and would probably allow you to trade Budda for a decent pick in 2024 and with the extra picks from TB, Monti would have plenty enough draft capital if the QBOF is at the top of the 2025 draft.
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Post by Dry Heat on Dec 1, 2023 17:05:02 GMT -7
Today on the ProFootBall Network with trades Mock -- I was too tempted and traded away pick #2 to TB for Pick #7, #73 AND a 2025 1st & 3 Rounder. Then at #7, I traded down again to #13 and picked up a high 2nd rounder at #39 and I believe a 5th rounder. My picks for just 3 rounds (remember this does NOT obviously include the 2025 1st & 3 Rd picked up from TB. #13 - Taliese Fuage RT Oregon State #17 - Nate Wiggins CB Clemson #34 - Xavier Legette WR South Carolina #39 - Tyler Nubin Safety MN #66 - Braden Trice Edge Washington #72 - Kamari Lassiter CB Georgia #73 - Tommy Eichenberg LB Ohio State #82 - T'Vondre Sweat DT Texas Remember I want the #1 FA acquisition to be one of 2-3 LG's -- I'd probably go RB in 4th round but I only did 3 rounds for today. Safety Nubin is a stud and would probably allow you to trade Budda for a decent pick in 2024 and with the extra picks from TB, Monti would have plenty enough draft capital if the QBOF is at the top of the 2025 draft. You and I do similar mocks at PFN. Problem is, I think they offer too much in trades and rank several players well below where they should be, which means by round three there are so many guys available that probably won’t be. For example, with PFN I can usually take my pick of any top six QB not named Williams or Maye with our second rounder. In reality I think maybe 1 or 2 of the four remaining top guys might be there, maybe zero, and if one that guy will be Penix Jr and I’m not interested there.
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Post by cardinalsins on Dec 1, 2023 19:11:06 GMT -7
Today on the ProFootBall Network with trades Mock -- I was too tempted and traded away pick #2 to TB for Pick #7, #73 AND a 2025 1st & 3 Rounder. Then at #7, I traded down again to #13 and picked up a high 2nd rounder at #39 and I believe a 5th rounder. My picks for just 3 rounds (remember this does NOT obviously include the 2025 1st & 3 Rd picked up from TB. #13 - Taliese Fuage RT Oregon State #17 - Nate Wiggins CB Clemson #34 - Xavier Legette WR South Carolina #39 - Tyler Nubin Safety MN #66 - Braden Trice Edge Washington #72 - Kamari Lassiter CB Georgia #73 - Tommy Eichenberg LB Ohio State #82 - T'Vondre Sweat DT Texas Remember I want the #1 FA acquisition to be one of 2-3 LG's -- I'd probably go RB in 4th round but I only did 3 rounds for today. Safety Nubin is a stud and would probably allow you to trade Budda for a decent pick in 2024 and with the extra picks from TB, Monti would have plenty enough draft capital if the QBOF is at the top of the 2025 draft. You and I do similar mocks at PFN. Problem is, I think they offer too much in trades and rank several players well below where they should be, which means by round three there are so many guys available that probably won’t be. For example, with PFN I can usually take my pick of any top six QB not named Williams or Maye with our second rounder. In reality I think maybe 1 or 2 of the four remaining top guys might be there, maybe zero, and if one that guy will be Penix Jr and I’m not interested there. They're adaptive. You'll see that players will change ranks once the the Allstar stuff comes out. Mockdraftdatabase is cool too. Will show pie charts of players being picked by users...etc.
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Post by belac44 on Dec 1, 2023 19:23:43 GMT -7
Today on the ProFootBall Network with trades Mock -- I was too tempted and traded away pick #2 to TB for Pick #7, #73 AND a 2025 1st & 3 Rounder. Then at #7, I traded down again to #13 and picked up a high 2nd rounder at #39 and I believe a 5th rounder. My picks for just 3 rounds (remember this does NOT obviously include the 2025 1st & 3 Rd picked up from TB. #13 - Taliese Fuage RT Oregon State #17 - Nate Wiggins CB Clemson #34 - Xavier Legette WR South Carolina #39 - Tyler Nubin Safety MN #66 - Braden Trice Edge Washington #72 - Kamari Lassiter CB Georgia #73 - Tommy Eichenberg LB Ohio State #82 - T'Vondre Sweat DT Texas Remember I want the #1 FA acquisition to be one of 2-3 LG's -- I'd probably go RB in 4th round but I only did 3 rounds for today. Safety Nubin is a stud and would probably allow you to trade Budda for a decent pick in 2024 and with the extra picks from TB, Monti would have plenty enough draft capital if the QBOF is at the top of the 2025 draft. I have snatched all those guys up in various mocks. I have also seen Lassiter going in the first, he is another one who is seen very differently among sites. * It will be interesting to see what happens with Zak Zinter from Michigan after his unfortunate injury last week. If he lasts late he could be someone worth taking a chance on, even if it is to red shirt him for a year.
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Post by Chirpn’time on Dec 1, 2023 19:48:56 GMT -7
I think focusing on 2024 to build the majority of roster needs is more important than gaining future draft stock. Harrison would be hard to pass on.
#2 Harrison #17 Q Mitchell CB Toledo #34 L Jackson DE ARK #70 T Guyton T Oklahoma #72 Z Frazier IOL West Virginia #82 Tampa CB Iowa ST #98 J Burch DE Oregon #101 D Robinson DE Missouri #144 Payton Wilson #181 J Carlies S Missouri #198 B Cook Missouri
Doesn’t quite fill everything, but Harrison is a huge upgrade and get bigger on the DL and more depth and size at CB and S. I like the aggression and attitude of Mitchell at CB.
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Post by melgray85 on Dec 1, 2023 20:42:42 GMT -7
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Post by Dry Heat on Dec 1, 2023 21:33:25 GMT -7
No. It would mean we no longer have a QB1 and $81 million in cap spending, which can literally buy 20 players, in exchange for moving up 9 spots. Actually it would be 11 spots, since in the link you posted the draft order has the Giants at #6. 100% terrible idea.
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Post by devongent on Dec 2, 2023 2:00:52 GMT -7
Today on the ProFootBall Network with trades Mock -- I was too tempted and traded away pick #2 to TB for Pick #7, #73 AND a 2025 1st & 3 Rounder. Then at #7, I traded down again to #13 and picked up a high 2nd rounder at #39 and I believe a 5th rounder. My picks for just 3 rounds (remember this does NOT obviously include the 2025 1st & 3 Rd picked up from TB. #13 - Taliese Fuage RT Oregon State #17 - Nate Wiggins CB Clemson #34 - Xavier Legette WR South Carolina #39 - Tyler Nubin Safety MN #66 - Braden Trice Edge Washington #72 - Kamari Lassiter CB Georgia #73 - Tommy Eichenberg LB Ohio State #82 - T'Vondre Sweat DT Texas Remember I want the #1 FA acquisition to be one of 2-3 LG's -- I'd probably go RB in 4th round but I only did 3 rounds for today. Safety Nubin is a stud and would probably allow you to trade Budda for a decent pick in 2024 and with the extra picks from TB, Monti would have plenty enough draft capital if the QBOF is at the top of the 2025 draft. That haul covers a lot of bases, although heavily slanted on Defense ( Offense 2 - 6 Defense). I would certainly kick-out Lassiter, #72, and take RB, Trey Benson at this point. With Zach Ertz gone then a TE prospect would be a good option at the top of the fourth round. A good illustration of what can be achieved with trade downs, and then there's the extra 1st & 3rd Rd picks in 2025. - 'Trade down' is the system that keeps giving. I am up to take a high Tackle in the draft and in this instance (Fuage) a RT. This would signify Paris Johnson moving over to the left side and, presumably, Humphries is then expendable. The next two questions for the forum is how much draft capital would we get for him and what are the implications on the financial side; how much money would we save releasing him v how much Dead Cap would we be lumbered with? (I'm not looking into this now, as it is a separate topic requiring its own thread I feel).
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Post by devongent on Dec 2, 2023 2:18:02 GMT -7
* It will be interesting to see what happens with Zak Zinter from Michigan after his unfortunate injury last week. If he lasts late he could be someone worth taking a chance on, even if it is to red shirt him for a year. Maybe a team with lots of picks and 'history' of drafting player's coming back from severe injuries. Sounds like the Arizona Cardinals! The operation sounds to be have successful and he is now on the mend - www.mlive.com/wolverines/2023/11/michigan-ol-zak-zinter-in-surgery-injury-diagnosis-message-from-mom.htmlI know from soccer over here that if a player suffers "a clean break" then the prospects for recovery and a resumption of his career are usually very positive.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Dec 2, 2023 5:51:23 GMT -7
Today on the ProFootBall Network with trades Mock -- I was too tempted and traded away pick #2 to TB for Pick #7, #73 AND a 2025 1st & 3 Rounder. Then at #7, I traded down again to #13 and picked up a high 2nd rounder at #39 and I believe a 5th rounder. My picks for just 3 rounds (remember this does NOT obviously include the 2025 1st & 3 Rd picked up from TB. #13 - Taliese Fuage RT Oregon State #17 - Nate Wiggins CB Clemson #34 - Xavier Legette WR South Carolina #39 - Tyler Nubin Safety MN #66 - Braden Trice Edge Washington #72 - Kamari Lassiter CB Georgia #73 - Tommy Eichenberg LB Ohio State #82 - T'Vondre Sweat DT Texas Remember I want the #1 FA acquisition to be one of 2-3 LG's -- I'd probably go RB in 4th round but I only did 3 rounds for today. Safety Nubin is a stud and would probably allow you to trade Budda for a decent pick in 2024 and with the extra picks from TB, Monti would have plenty enough draft capital if the QBOF is at the top of the 2025 draft. I have snatched all those guys up in various mocks. I have also seen Lassiter going in the first, he is another one who is seen very differently among sites. * It will be interesting to see what happens with Zak Zinter from Michigan after his unfortunate injury last week. If he lasts late he could be someone worth taking a chance on, even if it is to red shirt him for a year. I was thinking the very same thing about Zinter the other day which is why I really like trade downs and push some teams to throw in 5-7th rounders. The picks IMO can be used to get players who might have got injured, might not be ready at start of 2024 season but will play for the team in 2024 (e.g. Garrett Williams CB). The classic example of this was - prior to 2021 draft I was pounding the table for Cardinals to use a late pick on OL Trey Smith out of Tennessee who had some injury question marks coming out of college. The Chiefs traded up with Jets in the 6TH ROUND to get Smith who started as a rookie and has been a consistent 70+ PFF rated OL since he entered the NFL !!! I am hoping Monti/Sears prepare a list of potential players who will fall 2-3 or more rounds due to injury, minor off field issues or other unique situations. A couple others who fit this criteria are: - Antwane Wells Jr., WR, South Carolina
- Erick All TE Iowa -- WF stated before season there were scouts who thought he was better than Michael Mayer - Notre Dame Raider pick of 2023.
- Walker Parks, OL, Clemson
BTW: Sleeper RB that could see a 5th round pick for some team is Dylan Laube, RB, New Hampshire 6'1" 225 Lbs and has an amazing 68 catches this year while as a junior gained over 1200 yds on the ground.
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Post by devongent on Dec 2, 2023 7:41:59 GMT -7
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Post by melgray85 on Dec 2, 2023 8:46:11 GMT -7
No. It would mean we no longer have a QB1 and $81 million in cap spending, which can literally buy 20 players, in exchange for moving up 9 spots. Actually it would be 11 spots, since in the link you posted the draft order has the Giants at #6. 100% terrible idea. Oh I had confused them with the Jets at number 8. Bad idea either way.
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Post by cardinalsins on Dec 2, 2023 11:08:34 GMT -7
Here's a mock where I trade down twice. Both due to QBs being available at that spot. I like Nabers - he has some elite acceleration and route running. Always seems to be ridiculously open. I doubled down at CB since we're a bottom 5 unit with regard to pass defense. While we are already decent at getting pressure against QBs, I took an Edge in Elliss. Renner and the guys at the Stock Exchange seem to love him. Not the best at setting the edge, but a monster when hunting QBs I then took Sweat to put all 360 pounds of him on the IDL. I almost always pick him. Then I took some depth pieces. PFFs #1 center, a RB that reminds me of Maurice Jones Drew in Corum, and an LB in Wilson. Was only 3 rounds. Would shine in our OL/DL receiving drills on Friday
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