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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 21, 2023 14:48:08 GMT -7
Trade him for a 4th rounder and have a quarter of our 2024 salary cap be dead money? I don’t think so. We can eat that because we will be drafting a rookie. If we are not keeping him get out as soon as you can. It also is how bad a team wants him they might eat some of that. So now for a 4th rounder we are eating a quarter of our 2024 cap space AND using one or both of our first rounders on a QBOF? Ouch! Goodbye Harrison and a 1st round Olineman or CB, goodbye Kyler, goodbye $45 million, but hello Caleb Williams?
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Post by CardCore on Nov 21, 2023 17:47:08 GMT -7
We can eat that because we will be drafting a rookie. If we are not keeping him get out as soon as you can. It also is how bad a team wants him they might eat some of that. So now for a 4th rounder we are eating a quarter of our 2024 cap space AND using one or both of our first rounders on a QBOF? Ouch! Goodbye Harrison and a 1st round Olineman or CB, goodbye Kyler, goodbye $45 million, but hello Caleb Williams? If K1 looks starkly unproductive still by end of season which would not surprise me, it won't matter what the board thinks. They'll find an avenue to pursue. They always do.
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Post by cbltv on Nov 21, 2023 17:57:42 GMT -7
This Rams game is a crucial game for K1. If AD gets to him early, game over! And K1, in my book, will be trade bait even if it's only for a 4th rd'er! Trade him for a 4th rounder and have a quarter of our 2024 salary cap be dead money? I don’t think so. I said even if, of course the team would want more . C 'mon DH really. If K1 is still afraid of AD like he was in the playoff loss he is not worth keeping PERIOD!
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Post by cbltv on Nov 21, 2023 18:03:30 GMT -7
We can eat that because we will be drafting a rookie. If we are not keeping him get out as soon as you can. It also is how bad a team wants him they might eat some of that. So now for a 4th rounder we are eating a quarter of our 2024 cap space AND using one or both of our first rounders on a QBOF? Ouch! Goodbye Harrison and a 1st round Olineman or CB, goodbye Kyler, goodbye $45 million, but hello Caleb Williams? Dramatic much?! Sheesh! Cool your jets DH. Everything I posted was prefaced with IF. I KNOW you understand the English language.
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Post by cardinalsins on Nov 29, 2023 20:30:35 GMT -7
Looks like Dane is giving us Harrison at 2 - no trade back. With 17 - looks like we get Verse. Not sure how I feel about this one. We actually rank pretty with with regard to defensive pressures. Check out this link: x.com/arjunmenon100/status/1729595141617242359?s=20Thus, I have to agree with Broshmo here, and would have rather had Jer'Zhan Newton - who was taking by the Vikings a few picks later. We need help at IDL, and I think this guy has game changing capability.
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 29, 2023 20:37:26 GMT -7
Looks like Dane is giving us Harrison at 2 - no trade back. With 17 - looks like we get Verse. Not sure how I feel about this one. We actually rank pretty with with regard to defensive pressures. Check out this link: x.com/arjunmenon100/status/1729595141617242359?s=20Thus, I have to agree with Broshmo here, and would have rather had Jer'Zhan Newton - who was taking by the Vikings a few picks later. We need help at IDL, and I think this guy has game changing capability. At the beginning of my free agency thread I listed all the players we have under contract for 2024 with PFF ratings. We have 5 edge LB’s I think all with PFF’s in the 70’s except Thomas. No studs bit an effective and solid rotation. We only have two DT’s, Stills and Lopez, both with PFF’s around 65. We need interior defense far more than OLB and I think we’d go Newton in this scenario. Problem with national “experts” doing mocks is they don’t know the specific team situations well, and team fans on message boards can do better mocks for their own team.
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Post by JustTwoBeers on Nov 29, 2023 22:45:47 GMT -7
There is zero chance that Monti doesn’t trade down. He isn’t going to draft a WR in place of that opportunity to build his defense and oline . No way
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Post by Chirpn’time on Nov 30, 2023 8:11:56 GMT -7
Looks like Dane is giving us Harrison at 2 - no trade back. With 17 - looks like we get Verse. Not sure how I feel about this one. We actually rank pretty with with regard to defensive pressures. Check out this link: x.com/arjunmenon100/status/1729595141617242359?s=20Thus, I have to agree with Broshmo here, and would have rather had Jer'Zhan Newton - who was taking by the Vikings a few picks later. We need help at IDL, and I think this guy has game changing capability. Thanks Sins, one advantage with Harrison is he instantly improves the most important position…the QB. As you pointed out Cards are surprising good at QB pressure…the area of need on IDL is stopping the run. This can be done with done with IDL players later in the draft and improving ILB depth and quality. ILB is White and nobody outside a rotation player in Barnes and the un-known Pappoe. WR position and TE between the two positions need at least two major upgrades or two WR upgrades in 2024, at least one very high pick and maybe another later or a FA.
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 30, 2023 8:44:44 GMT -7
There is zero chance that Monti doesn’t trade down. He isn’t going to draft a WR in place of that opportunity to build his defense and oline . No way I agree, and try to trade down aggressively in every mock I do. Taking Harrison at #2 would be the highest a WR has gone since Calvin Johnson, and this is a draft with a bunch of 6’3” and taller stud WR’s. It does take two to tango, but Monti proved last year he can find dance partners. And there will be lots of QB hungry teams.
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Post by Chirpn’time on Nov 30, 2023 13:26:46 GMT -7
As mentioned by Cardinalsins QB by the Card OLB group has been okey, but in the 2024 draft I would like to see the Cards DL get larger and longer with some better athletes at DL.
DE types I would like to see are Landon Jackson 6’7” 285, Brandon Dorlus 6’3” 290, Shemar Turner 6’4” 290, TJ Sanders 6’5” 298, Darius Robinson 6’5” 296, Justin Eboigbe 6’5” 292, Jordan Burch 6’6” 290 and Keith Randolph 6’5” 305.
DT players I like Jer’Zhan Newton 6’2” 295, T’Vandre Sweat 6’4” 362, Ruke Orhorhoro 6’4” 295, McKinnley Jackson 6’2” 325 and Nazir Stackhouse 6’3” 320.
Cards have enough of the smaller OLBs that can speed rush or drop in coverage, the big need is to increase size and athleticism on the DL. Nice part about most of the DE options is on pass downs they have the size and strength to move to IDL and still are dynamic enough to put on a solid pass rush.
It would not hurt my feelings to see 3 picks used on the above players.
Since there are a few decent CBs that can be picked in the 3-5 rounds…I would be patient and see if a player like Tampa, Oregon’s CB Jackson, Tony Grimes, Kris Abrams-Draine, Brian Mayes or Max Melton can be added and maybe add a CB in FA.
ILB is a serious issue and my favorite is Payton Wilson 6’4” 238 and he is very productive with almost 100 tackles in 2023 and very smart and a team captain and PFF have him rank #77.
As per late pick WRs there are a few sleepers Troy Horton 6’2” 190, Tre Harris 6’2” 205, Roman Wilson 6’0” 192, Jamari Thrash 6’1” 185 who for some sneaking suspicion I think he has a real high chance of staying a Cardinal, Theo Wease 6’2” 192, Ricky Pearsall 6’1” 192, De’Corian Clark 6’3” 215, Oronde Gadsden 6’5” 223, Will Sheppard 6’3” 198, Bryson Nesbit 6’5” 235, and FCS level WR who is a beast Hayden Hatton 6’2” 205 he will be a good NFL WR. Three of these WRs if they come out in 2024 had injuries in 2023 and no stats, but had solid 2022 seasons. One of the WRs listed would be a great addition as a 3rd WR option. Cards still need a top WR early. I project Wilson as a #2 WR.
The first two or three rounds have to land starters in 2024, in the 3-5 rounds a starting ILB could be had as well as a CB who can get a decent amount of snaps. DL and WR early and a starter quality IOL player in the 3-4 rounds should be the main focus. IMHO One FA that seems to make sense is pay up for 27 year old Connor Williams since Miami will struggle with cap to extend him. He can play C or G at a top 5 level and would be a great investment he is for sure a 10-12M a year value and even up to 15M per year by Cards would be a good return at a position of need who could start day one.
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Post by cardinalsins on Nov 30, 2023 13:47:12 GMT -7
There is zero chance that Monti doesn’t trade down. He isn’t going to draft a WR in place of that opportunity to build his defense and oline . No way I agree, and try to trade down aggressively in every mock I do. Taking Harrison at #2 would be the highest a WR has gone since Calvin Johnson, and this is a draft with a bunch of 6’3” and taller stud WR’s. It does take two to tango, but Monti proved last year he can find dance partners. And there will be lots of QB hungry teams. Yeah. I'm in favor of taking Nabers/Coleman + another player or two instead of Maserati Marv. That said, I won't cry if we take him.
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Post by belac44 on Nov 30, 2023 13:48:07 GMT -7
Looks like Dane is giving us Harrison at 2 - no trade back. With 17 - looks like we get Verse. Not sure how I feel about this one. We actually rank pretty with with regard to defensive pressures. Check out this link: x.com/arjunmenon100/status/1729595141617242359?s=20Thus, I have to agree with Broshmo here, and would have rather had Jer'Zhan Newton - who was taking by the Vikings a few picks later. We need help at IDL, and I think this guy has game changing capability. I do not like Verse. Which means he will do well if another team drafts him and bad if the Cards pick him.
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Post by cardinalsins on Nov 30, 2023 13:58:13 GMT -7
Looks like Dane is giving us Harrison at 2 - no trade back. With 17 - looks like we get Verse. Not sure how I feel about this one. We actually rank pretty with with regard to defensive pressures. Check out this link: x.com/arjunmenon100/status/1729595141617242359?s=20Thus, I have to agree with Broshmo here, and would have rather had Jer'Zhan Newton - who was taking by the Vikings a few picks later. We need help at IDL, and I think this guy has game changing capability. I do not like Verse. Which means he will do well if another team drafts him and bad if the Cards pick him. I know that you're working the mock simulators. Who do you find yourself picking consistently?
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Post by belac44 on Nov 30, 2023 14:35:15 GMT -7
I do not like Verse. Which means he will do well if another team drafts him and bad if the Cards pick him. I know that you're working the mock simulators. Who do you find yourself picking consistently? It is hard because I do not think things will be where they are now. One win can change so much for Cards pick and especially for Houston. They are stuck in that mediocre gap with so many teams and their pick could vary by as much as 10 picks still. I do not believe we will be picking second, although I am starting to think that might be a thing. Bears game is huge obviously. At 2 or 3 I do find it hard to pass on Harrison. I also was one at the time that would have passed on Fitz and taken Big Ben. Said it then and will always feel that way. Larry was great consolation prize and all time favorite Cardinal, but how many rings did he bring? So I would not be overly mad if they traded down a few spots and got one of the top OT, but I think we can get one with Houstons pick that is not too far behind. To get a blue chip player would be nice, we need a likable star. I do think Coleman will be gone by the Houston pick. If we decide to wait until later then so be it as well. So many different scenarios and still early. Long story longer I have taken Newton, Mimi’s and even Wiggins with Houston pick. Varied from 17-22. Wiggins intrigues me as I do not love this CB class, but he is worth looking into. I also think its possible a 2nd or 3rd CB could be just as effective, we will see how that plays out. 2nd round I love Cooper Beebe, but not sure he lasts that long. Jordan Morgan OT from Az if we do not get one with first two picks. Varies DT if we do not get one in first two picks as well. Napping a top OT and Beebe (or OG of their choice) could do wonders for the future of the line. TJ Tampa from Iowa State would be nice in third and I take him often, although I do not think he will last that long. Mitchell from Toledo has been on my radar and have seen him mentioned here as well. Do not think he counts as a sleeper as teams seem to be well aware of him. May not last to third either. You?
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Post by Chirpn’time on Nov 30, 2023 14:46:19 GMT -7
A QB note in draft. Top 5 Williams, Maye, Nix, Daniels, and Penix…will one be available in the 2nd round? Then moving to later rounds would any of these seem to be worth a pick…Sanders, Beck, McCarthy, Ewers, Pratt, Rattler, Travis, Milton, Uiagalelei, Jefferson, Hartman, Ward or Leary.
2024 has some decent QB talent sprinkled around the draft board. Beck and McCarthy are over 70% completion rate and McCarthy is at 75% completion rate.
If Bears pick Williams 1st and Cards get Harrison…do Cards go QB with the Texan’s pick? A great QB#2 or a possible starter can be had to develop if K1 is kept until 2025.
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