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Post by devongent on Mar 15, 2024 8:35:37 GMT -7
Looks like we need one more WR...either for a Kirk equivalent or an A.J. Green equivalent. Who do we draft to fill either one of those? Okay flash, I'll tempt you one last time. - The Giants offer #6 and #47 for our #4 and you are Gannon and Monti consults for your opinion. Monti say if we accept the trade offer then you can use both on Wide Receivers and you can choose the picks (come what may). One such option would be the Washington duo, Rome Odunze #6 (at 6'3" / 212 lbs there's your A.J. Green) and Ja'Lynn Polk #47 (at 6'1" / 203 lbs there's your Kirk). When out supermarket shopping the '2 FOR 1' bargain buys are always tempting for me, and perhaps that's why I often lean towards getting the extra picks. - I suspect you are more of the 'premier label' brand type yourself...?
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Post by flash on Mar 15, 2024 9:25:52 GMT -7
Looks like we need one more WR...either for a Kirk equivalent or an A.J. Green equivalent. Who do we draft to fill either one of those? Okay flash, I'll tempt you one last time. - The Giants offer #6 and #47 for our #4 and you are Gannon and Monti consults for your opinion. Monti say if we accept the trade offer then you can use both on Wide Receivers and you can choose the picks (come what may). One such option would be the Washington duo, Rome Odunze #6 (at 6'3" / 212 lbs there's your A.J. Green) and Ja'Lynn Polk #47 (at 6'1" / 203 lbs there's your Kirk). When out supermarket shopping the '2 FOR 1' bargain buys are always tempting for me, and perhaps that's why I often lean towards getting the extra picks. - I suspect you are more of the 'premier label' brand type yourself...? Who's our Hopkins? I want our Hopkins first then worry about the Kirk and Green.
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Post by belac44 on Mar 15, 2024 9:28:47 GMT -7
Looks like we need one more WR...either for a Kirk equivalent or an A.J. Green equivalent. Who do we draft to fill either one of those? Okay flash, I'll tempt you one last time. - The Giants offer #6 and #47 for our #4 and you are Gannon and Monti consults for your opinion. Monti say if we accept the trade offer then you can use both on Wide Receivers and you can choose the picks (come what may). One such option would be the Washington duo, Rome Odunze #6 (at 6'3" / 212 lbs there's your A.J. Green) and Ja'Lynn Polk #47 (at 6'1" / 203 lbs there's your Kirk). When out supermarket shopping the '2 FOR 1' bargain buys are always tempting for me, and perhaps that's why I often lean towards getting the extra picks. - I suspect you are more of the 'premier label' brand type yourself...? If you are taking Odunze at 6, he better be your version of Hopkins, not the Az version of Green.
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Post by End Zone on Mar 15, 2024 9:36:12 GMT -7
I think everyone that does Mock Drafts has to go back to the drawing board. The flurry of free-agent signings, cuts, and trades by many teams makes previous Mock Drafts an exercise in meaninglessness.
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Post by devongent on Mar 15, 2024 11:37:43 GMT -7
Who's our Hopkins? I want our Hopkins first then worry about the Kirk and Green. I have just checked this out. Incidentally, Hopkins was drafted #27 back in 2013 and his current height/ weight are recorded as 6'1" and 218 lbs. There is one player in the draft with a similar height & weight distribution, and he is often touted to be drafted around the back-end of the first round. The statistics don't lie, our next De'Andre Hopkins is........................ ............... Xavier Legette WR, South Carolina.
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Post by flash on Mar 15, 2024 12:15:07 GMT -7
Who's our Hopkins? I want our Hopkins first then worry about the Kirk and Green. I have just checked this out. Incidentally, Hopkins was drafted #27 back in 2013 and his current height/ weight are recorded as 6'1" and 218 lbs. There is one player in the draft with a similar height & weight distribution, and he is often touted to be drafted around the back-end of the first round. The statistics don't lie, our next De'Andre Hopkins is........................ ............... Xavier Legette WR, South Carolina. Dev,
Yes, some WR's drafted in mid to late round turn out great like Hopkins or Jefferson. But that is seldom. Here is a list of WR drafted in the first round mid round or later.
Zay Flowers pick 22(Ravens) Rashod Bateman pick 27(Ravens) Marquise Brown pick 25(Ravens)
Pay attention to the 3rd one above...he was our #2 WR and we know he was not a "DeAndre". And I am pretty sure neither were the other two.
I could probably go through more teams and find the same scenario. Not to say we can't find a Deandre later in the first round, but it's a slim chance. By taking Marvin at #4, it increases our chance to find a Deandre considerably...that is my point.
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Post by devongent on Mar 15, 2024 13:51:21 GMT -7
I could probably go through more teams and find the same scenario. Not to say we can't find a Deandre later in the first round, but it's a slim chance. By taking Marvin at #4, it increases our chance to find a Deandre considerably...that is my point. Okay flash, I get your point and jest a little (thus no need to research and provide more evidence). I do now think (following Jonah's signing at Tackle) that a WR with our first pick is almost inevitable. There might still be the possibility of a Trade Down and the FO being smitten with an edge rusher, but in truth I doubt this will happen. Will Marvin still be available #4 is the big question and unfortunately I have no glass ball to give us the answer. 'Probably' I would say, but not certain. If so, then I expect Marvin will become an Arizona Cardinal and I consider it will be a good landing spot for him to showcase his talents (I hope for his own benefit he doesn't go to the Patriots, he might have a real hard time there). For the brave and adventurous then why not a second WR, either at #27 or #35? - It's not my recommendation, but if so then don't overlook Xavier Legette.
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Post by flash on Mar 15, 2024 14:33:21 GMT -7
I could probably go through more teams and find the same scenario. Not to say we can't find a Deandre later in the first round, but it's a slim chance. By taking Marvin at #4, it increases our chance to find a Deandre considerably...that is my point. Okay flash, I get your point and jest a little (thus no need to research and provide more evidence). I do now think (following Jonah's signing at Tackle) that a WR with our first pick is almost inevitable. There might still be the possibility of a Trade Down and the FO being smitten with an edge rusher, but in truth I doubt this will happen. Will Marvin still be available #4 is the big question and unfortunately I have no glass ball to give us the answer. 'Probably' I would say, but not certain. If so, then I expect Marvin will become an Arizona Cardinal and I consider it will be a good landing spot for him to showcase his talents (I hope for his own benefit he doesn't go to the Patriots, he might have a real hard time there). For the brave and adventurous then why not a second WR, either at #27 or #35? - It's not my recommendation, but if so then don't overlook Xavier Legette. I would surely not complain about a WR with #27 or #35. But to be honest, I think we go Dline or CB with ether or both of those. I watched Brendan Rice's highlights and was pretty impressed with him for our #2 or #3 Wideout. I have not seen the highlights of the "BULLET" (Xavier Worthy) yet. But he should be the fastest guy on the field, even faster than the Cheetah. I have seen him projected to the Chiefs with #32 pick on several mock drafts. Not sure that would happen with their pickup of Hollywood.
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Post by flash on Mar 16, 2024 10:47:01 GMT -7
I was watching an interview with Paris Johnson Jr. on Arizona Sports YouTube Channel. Here is the link:
(D.H. might have already posted the link on a different thread)
It was a pretty good interview with Paris. But I watched it because Paris was going to comment on Marvin Harrison Jr.
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The question has come up here on the forum many times about whether or not Marvin is that much better than Odunze or Nabers? From comparing their stats, they are very close. However, Paris goes on to explain why he thinks that Marvin is the best WR in the draft and why. If I remember correctly, Paris mentioned that Odunze and Nabers are great WR's and made a comparison to Chris Olave. And he says, who would not want a Chris Olave caliber WR on their team?
However, he then started to talk about what separates Marvin from Odunze and Nabers or any other WR in this draft. He said it was Marvin's dedication to preparing for football. He said that Marvin would be in the cafeteria then the locker room at 6:00am and would still be out there until 9:00pm on many occasions. Paris mentioned that by 6:00pm he was already back in his apartment. He says it is this dedication that separates Marvin from any of the other WR's in the draft including Odunze and Nabers.
If you haven't watched the video, you should because you will learn things about Paris that perhaps you do not know about.....
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Post by azredbird64 on Mar 16, 2024 11:50:45 GMT -7
This is what I'm thinking. Trade down with the Vikings or maybe the raiders. Draft Arnold or Murphy with our #1 Draft AD Mitchell with our #2 Draft D Robinson with #3 Imo, that's a win, win, win. Looking at Mitchell, I like him just as much as MHJ. The yac is better and I think he would be a perfect fit.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Mar 16, 2024 17:18:47 GMT -7
This is what I'm thinking. Trade down with the Vikings or maybe the raiders. Draft Arnold or Murphy with our #1 Draft AD Mitchell with our #2 Draft D Robinson with #3 Imo, that's a win, win, win. Looking at Mitchell, I like him just as much as MHJ. The yac is better and I think he would be a perfect fit. Though I may be a bit biased I like Pearsall from Florida. He is a route runner par excellence and can go up and reach for the ball. As seen here.
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Post by cardinalsins on Mar 16, 2024 18:02:41 GMT -7
This is what I'm thinking. Trade down with the Vikings or maybe the raiders. Draft Arnold or Murphy with our #1 Draft AD Mitchell with our #2 Draft D Robinson with #3 Imo, that's a win, win, win. Looking at Mitchell, I like him just as much as MHJ. The yac is better and I think he would be a perfect fit. Though I may be a bit biased I like Pearsall from Florida. He is a route runner par excellence and can go up and reach for the ball. As seen here. He is very athletic too.. and looked good at the Senior Bowl. His draft capital has climbed significantly IMO. I like him alot...I usually trade with NO since they have few picks outside their 2nd puck...and pick him up thwre.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Mar 16, 2024 18:42:54 GMT -7
His draft capital has climbed significantly IMO. The Draft geniuses love his route running ability
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 26, 2024 12:35:56 GMT -7
Today’s CBS mock draft has the Vikings trading up to #3 for Maye, then the Broncos trading up to #4 for McCarthy. San Diego picks Alt at #5 and Harrison Jr goes to Giants #6. We then trade back up to #8 and end up with Nabers, an extra 3rd, and an extra Denver 1st in 2025. Odunze, who would be my pick by a hair over Nabers, goes #9.
PFF put out grades for each draft class. WR gets the rare A+
“ RECEIVERS: A+
This is an elite receiver class, even set in the context of a lot of recent very strong draft classes.
The “Big-Three” of Marvin Harrison Jr., Malik Nabers and Rome Odunze would each be the top receiver in most draft classes while the next wave is absurdly deep. There are 23 wideouts or tight ends in the consensus top 100 players, meaning almost a quarter of the best 100 players in this draft are pass catchers.
The depth doesn’t drop off after those early rounds and you can be deep into this group and still come away with receivers that can make an immediate NFL impact.”
I’m pretty confident, since we signed our tackle in free agency, we will be aiming for one of these top three WR’s even if by a trade down and then a later trade up, like how we landed Paris. Then I think we draft at least one more.
The tackle class gets an A grade as well, and I wouldn’t be surprised at a developmental tackle at some point, just not in the first round any more as it’s not a need.
Cornerback also gets an A grade, not so much for the first round but because there are 15 consensus corners in the top 100 big board. This is really good for us, as we have at least six top 100 picks.
We have needs at positions that are not deep in this draft, like interior Oline (C+), interior defense (B), edge (B-) and LB (C+), but there are some good ones earlier in the mid 1st to 3rd, so I wouldn’t be surprised if we grab IDL, Edge and left guard with three of our top 90 picks.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 27, 2024 17:22:08 GMT -7
Okay flash, I'll tempt you one last time. - The Giants offer #6 and #47 for our #4 and you are Gannon and Monti consults for your opinion. Monti say if we accept the trade offer then you can use both on Wide Receivers and you can choose the picks (come what may). One such option would be the Washington duo, Rome Odunze #6 (at 6'3" / 212 lbs there's your A.J. Green) and Ja'Lynn Polk #47 (at 6'1" / 203 lbs there's your Kirk). When out supermarket shopping the '2 FOR 1' bargain buys are always tempting for me, and perhaps that's why I often lean towards getting the extra picks. - I suspect you are more of the 'premier label' brand type yourself...? If you are taking Odunze at 6, he better be your version of Hopkins, not the Az version of Green. Only two players on my mind if we move to 6 that is either Harrison or Alt I might be ok with that but I rather stay where we are and take Harrison. I hate to say it but in my opinion those are the only guys left worth the sixth pick IMO. Not a fan of Odunze nor the Tiger from LSU. If I take Wr it will be atleast double dipping later I do like Mitchell out of Texas if we take wr later first round . Dang I am hating typing this crap.
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