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Post by Dry Heat on Feb 22, 2024 22:22:06 GMT -7
It would be nice if they’d put a price on what we got from Atlanta in the trade.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Feb 24, 2024 8:06:59 GMT -7
Joel Klatt's mock shows how the Cardinals at #27 might not have an OT available -- he has SIX QB's picked in the top 21 however the top 7 OT's are all gone by pick #24 with Jordan Morgan of UA the #24 pick. Also in his mock my favorite DL player, Byron Murphy II is gone at pick #25. Joel Klatt's 2024 1.0 Mock Draft I am hoping when Monti/Sears got together this week with the coaches it was decided whether Troy Fautanu of Washington is a good RT to be a potential pick at #27 as I think he can make it to end of Rd. #1. If the coaches think Fautanu is a guard and the 7 OT's from Klatt's draft are all gone by #27 and Byron Murphy is also gone, then I hope they have a trade back plan to get another 2nd round pick. The Klatt mock along with the possibility the Cards coaches/scouts believe Fautanu is a guard would seem to create a desperate need for Monti in FA to get either RT Onwenu or a cheaper alternative in RT Eluemunor, Raiders during the March free agent period. P.S. Patrick Paul, OT, Houston could be a 2nd round pick that could play LT and keep PJJ on the right if that is indeed the coaches preference to keep PJJ @ RT.
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Post by supercard on Feb 25, 2024 9:03:39 GMT -7
First of all I do not now believe that MHJ will be there at 4. The Bears control the top end of this draft with 1,9. Bears will take CW at 1, they will then trade Fields and no 9 to Pats. Then of course take MHJ. This would give the Bears a very explosive attack. Now that leaves our Cardinals sitting at 4. Now, Cardinals are in charge of draft. 1. Phone should start ringing for the remaining big 3 qb. Let them call Monti, if offers aren’t good enough (must include amongst other picks their 2025 first). If Monti isn’t happy with any offer. 2. Then, take either Alt or Nabers. 3. If Alt, instantly goes to LT. last year he gave up only 1 sack and only 2 qb hurries in 368 pass blocking attempts! Except for adding LG our OL become one of best in NFL. I would love for us to spend some of that big cap money on Robert Hunt. This guy is absolutely a mauler at OG. 4. Now, I would go Alt. But, won’t cry if Nabers. In any other draft, he would probably be the number one receiver on the board. Elite skills and deep threat. 5. Number 27 is tricky, first who did we take first and what position. If Nabers, we need a LT or strong RT and kick big Paris to LT. If we took my favorite Alt, I am thinking best DL or corner available.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Feb 27, 2024 3:27:38 GMT -7
Report the Giants are open to drafting QB in Rd. #1 Are the NY Giants a trade up with Cardinals possibility ?
If MHJ is gone at #4, I could see the Giants trading #6 and #47 (NY Giants have two (2) 2nd round picks) for #4 and drafting a QB ... as the article mentions, the NY Giants might also look at moving back up into Rd. #1 (get 5th yr option) with a team and then getting a JJ McCarthy or Bo Nix.
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Post by Dry Heat on Feb 27, 2024 9:58:33 GMT -7
Report the Giants are open to drafting QB in Rd. #1 Are the NY Giants a trade up with Cardinals possibility ?
If MHJ is gone at #4, I could see the Giants trading #6 and #47 (NY Giants have two (2) 2nd round picks) for #4 and drafting a QB ... as the article mentions, the NY Giants might also look at moving back up into Rd. #1 (get 5th yr option) with a team and then getting a JJ McCarthy or Bo Nix. This would make for interesting options for the Cardinals, especially if MHJ is taken before we pick. We’d still be guaranteed a top two tackle, Nabers, or Bowers if #4 were traded, and if #27 were traded the two 2nds would be extremely valuable in this deep draft.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Feb 28, 2024 2:50:18 GMT -7
WF with a very interesting article this morning -- it lists how the Patriots view the top 3 QB's and so obviously this has ramifications for the Cardinals - New England Patriots ranking of the Top 3 QB's
The good news for Cardinals fan is their ranking order is exactly how I see the order in which these QB's will be drafted. Also it appears the Patriots really like all 3 QB's and would be very happy for Maye to be there at #3. Stick and Pick of the top 3 QB's allows MHJ to fall right into Monti's lap at #4.
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Post by Dry Heat on Feb 28, 2024 11:49:12 GMT -7
“It was clear the Cardinals had a jump in offensive production after Kyler Murray returned at quarterback this season. The QB remains the key to what the Cards do on that side of the ball, but what doesn't he have yet? When the question was posed to Jonathan Gannon Wednesday during an interview with Dani Sureck (to be posted later today), Gannon was quick to say "I wouldn't say missing" when asked, indeed, what the offense was missing. That didn't mean the head coach doesn't have a wish list of improvements. "Offensive line, in my mind, that's where I look to first because there are five guys with a tough job in the run game and pass game," Gannon said. "And then, how many playmakers can we surround Kyler with, and that comes in all shapes and sizes."”
Is Gannon tipping his hand towards an Olineman with the first pick, perhaps after a small trade down like with Paris? Or is he playing pre-draft HC mind games?
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Post by cardinal225 on Feb 29, 2024 20:23:30 GMT -7
“It was clear the Cardinals had a jump in offensive production after Kyler Murray returned at quarterback this season. The QB remains the key to what the Cards do on that side of the ball, but what doesn't he have yet? When the question was posed to Jonathan Gannon Wednesday during an interview with Dani Sureck (to be posted later today), Gannon was quick to say "I wouldn't say missing" when asked, indeed, what the offense was missing. That didn't mean the head coach doesn't have a wish list of improvements. "Offensive line, in my mind, that's where I look to first because there are five guys with a tough job in the run game and pass game," Gannon said. "And then, how many playmakers can we surround Kyler with, and that comes in all shapes and sizes."” Is Gannon tipping his hand towards an Olineman with the first pick, perhaps after a small trade down like with Paris? Or is he playing pre-draft HC mind games? we don’t know how our FA will pan out. They can sign a vet at LT and draft his replacement in the 2nd. We can’t afford to miss on one of these top wide receivers like we could with one of the top 3 tackles
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 2, 2024 11:29:47 GMT -7
Rate my mock draft from the @pfn365 Mock Draft Simulator — then try yours on the #PFNMDS: bit.ly/mockdraftsim
How I’ve been drafting lately. 10 top 100 players, plus some 2025 draft ammo in this one. Dline, starting corner, future starting tackle, guard and center, generational TE and two tall freakish WR’s, plus some nice LB’s. All possible by passing on MHJ.
#11. TE Brock Bowers -starter paired with McBride, best TE duo in NFL for Kyler #27. OT Tyler Guyton -starter opposite Paris #35. DT Byron Murphy II -instant starter #41. DT D’Vondre Sweat -instant starter #42. C Zach Frazier -future starter #66. G Cooper Beebe -stater by mid-season if not immediate #73. WR Xavier Legette -starter #88. RB Braelon Allen -future James Connor replacement, only 20 yrs old #90. WR Johnny Wilson -freakish giant WR backup and developmental #105. LB Trevin Wallace -instant special teamer and might start #161. LB Tommy Eichenburg -instant special teamer and might start #164. DT Jordan Jefferson #188. Edge Xavier Thomas #248. CB Jarvis Brownlee
2025 Ten 4th, Cle 4th, and GB 5th
with this draft I assumed we go heavy on defense in FA…DL, Edge, LB, corner
Receivers now two 6’-4” ProBowl capable TE’s, 6’-2” Michael Wilson, 6’-3” Xavier Leggette, 6’-7” Johnny Wilson…all of them built and fast, plus little speedsters Dortch and Moore, who I see as a RB/WR.
Tell me how corners and safeties guard that when we have a strong run game and Kyler has his dual threat capability.
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Post by End Zone on Mar 3, 2024 4:12:39 GMT -7
Rate my mock draft from the @pfn365 Mock Draft Simulator — then try yours on the #PFNMDS: bit.ly/mockdraftsim How I’ve been drafting lately. 10 top 100 players, plus some 2025 draft ammo in this one. Dline, starting corner, future starting tackle, guard and center, generational TE and two tall freakish WR’s, plus some nice LB’s. All possible by passing on MHJ. #11. TE Brock Bowers -starter paired with McBride, best TE duo in NFL for Kyler #27. OT Tyler Guyton -starter opposite Paris #35. DT Byron Murphy II -instant starter #41. DT D’Vondre Sweat -instant starter #42. C Zach Frazier -future starter #66. G Cooper Beebe -stater by mid-season if not immediate #73. WR Xavier Legette -starter #88. RB Braelon Allen -future James Connor replacement, only 20 yrs old #90. WR Johnny Wilson -freakish giant WR backup and developmental #105. LB Trevin Wallace -instant special teamer and might start #161. LB Tommy Eichenburg -instant special teamer and might start #164. DT Jordan Jefferson #188. Edge Xavier Thomas #248. CB Jarvis Brownlee 2025 Ten 4th, Cle 4th, and GB 5th with this draft I assumed we go heavy on defense in FA…DL, Edge, LB, corner Receivers now two 6’-4” ProBowl capable TE’s, 6’-2” Michael Wilson, 6’-3” Xavier Leggette, 6’-7” Johnny Wilson…all of them built and fast, plus little speedsters Dortch and Moore, who I see as a RB/WR. Tell me how corners and safeties guard that when we have a strong run game and Kyler has his dual threat capability. I like that you stay away from the 'glamour' players. I don't consider TE Bowers to be a true glamour guy like the top QBs and some WRs that will be on Wheaties boxes. Legette is perfect for the Cardinals and Murray.
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Post by supercard on Mar 3, 2024 8:59:26 GMT -7
No to Bowers
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Post by flash on Mar 3, 2024 14:27:18 GMT -7
Do one or two WR's or TE's on a team make a difference in Win/Loss Record or Playoff Contention? However, keep in mind...that even the best WR or TE needs to have the #1 QB...not the backup QB throwing to him.
This past season, we did not have a single WR/TE with 1000 yards or more receiving. Is that what our team is missing? I will start off with the teams with the most passing yards last season. I will then highlight their best WR or TE or both for the past 5 years.
Trey McBride had 825 yards and 3 TD's...he was our best receiver. I am going to list the top 5 passing teams in the NFL last season. This includes Vikings, Dolphins, Cowboys, Lions and Texans. 4 of those 5 teams made the playoffs. I will go back 5 seasons for each team. If I can do more than the top 5 passing teams, I will do as many as I can before draft day. I think this will be interesting information for us to evaluate when making a decision to draft Marvin or some other player.
Let's start off with Minnesota.
Minnesota 2023: 7/10 Record, 4700 passing yards Cousins started 8 games #1 Reciever: Justin Jefferson started 9 games, 1074 yards, 5 TD's #2 Receiver: T.J. Hockenson started 11 games, 960 yards, 5 TD's #3 Receiver: Jordan Addison started 14 games, 911 yards, 10 TD's #1 Running Back: Alexander Mattison started 13 games, 700 yards, Zero TD's Game scores for games they lost: 17 to 20 Bucs 28 to 34 Eagles 24 to 28 Chargers 20 to 27 Chiefs 20 to 21 Broncos 10 to 12 Bears 24 to 27 Bengals 24 to 30 Lions 10 to 33 Packers 20 to 30 Lions Notes: had Cousins, Justin and Hockenson played 17 games, would they have been a strong playoff contender? Of their 10 losses, 8 losses were by 8 points or less. Did their RB Corp affect their Win/Loss record?
2022: 13/4 Record, 4818 passing yards Cousins started 17 games #1 Receiver: Justin Jefferson started 17 games, 1809 yards, 8 TD's #2 Receiver: Adam Thielen started 17 games, 716 yards, 6 TD's #3 Receiver: K.J. Osborn started 9 games, 650 yards, 6 TD's #1 Running Back: Dalvin Cook started 17 games, 1173 yards, 8 TD's Notes: Lost Wildcard to Giants 24 to 31
2021: 8/9 Record, 4450 passing yards Cousins started 16 games #1 Receiver: Justin Jefferson started 17 games, 1616 yards, 10 TD's #2 Receiver: Adam Thielen started 13 games, 726 yards, 10 TD's #3 Receiver: K.J. Osborn started 9 games, 655 yards, 7 TD's #1 Running Back: Dalvin Cook started 13 games, 1159 yards, 6 TD's Game scores for games they lost: 24 to 27 Bengals 33 to 34 Cardinals 7 to 14 Browns 16 to 20 Cowboys 31 to 34 Ravens 26 to 34 49er's 27 to 29 Lions 23 to 30 Rams 10 to 37 Packers Notes: 8 of their 9 losses were by 8 points or less. During this season, Cousins and Jefferson played almost every game. So I wonder, why an 8/9 record? Defense? Coaching? Rushing?
2020 7/9 Record, 4265 passing yards Cousins started 16 games #1 Receiver: Justin Jefferson started 14 games, 1400 yards, 7 TD's #2 Receiver: Adam Thielen started 15 games, 925 yards, 14 TD's #3 Receiver: Irv Smith Jr. started 7 games, 365 yards, 5 TD's #1 Running Back: Dalvin Cook started 14 games, 1557 yards, 16 TD's Notes: They lost 4 of their 9 losses by 8 points or less. Their defense allowed 25 to 52 points in 11 of 16 games. I would say that their defense sucked that season. I guess it did not matter how good the stats of the QB, Receivers and Running Back were if the Defense could not prevent all the points that season. Hmm...did our defense allow us to lose many of our games?
2019 10/6 Record, 3729 passing yards Cousins started 15 games #1 Receiver: Stefon Diggs started 15 games, 1130 yards, 6 TD's #2 Receiver: Dalvin Cook(RB) started 14 games, 519 yards, Zero TD's #3 Receiver: Adam Thielen started 10 games, 418 yards, 6 TD's #1 Running Back: Dalvin Cook started 14 games, 1135 yards, 13 TD's Notes: Lost Divisional Round 10 to 27 to 49er's.
I am posting the same stats for us in 2023 so you can see how we compared to each year of the Vikings.
Arizona 2023: 4/13 Record, 3430 passing yards Murray started 8 games #1 Receiver: Trey McBride started 12 games, 825 yards, 3 TD's #2 Receiver: Marquise Brown started 14 games, 574 yards, 4 TD's #3 Receiver: Michael Wilson started 12 games, 565 yards, 3 TD's #1 Running Back: James Connor started 13 games, 1040 yards, 7 TD's Notes: How close are we to what Minnesota accomplished for the last 5 seasons? Not even close at all. Can a Marvin Harrison, Trey McBride and Michael Wilson get us closer to any of their seasons? Of course that would mean that Connor would need to hit 1000+ yards for the next season or two. Unless we FA or Draft a relief RB for him, I don't see Connor holding up to a full season of being brutalized. Maybe Michael Carter can fill that need? The problem I see is that we allowed to many losses of more than one score(8 points or less). Was that our defense or coaching or our CB Corp?
So, I will continue with the next best passing team in my next post. As you can see, it is a long post for just one team as in the Vikings. That is why I said I might only be able to do a total of the top 5 passing teams of last season. Do we have to draft a WR at #4 to find a killer WR? No we don't. However, I strongly believe if we draft Marvin, our chances of having a WR that can get 1000+ yards per season a more likely chance than drafting later in the draft regardless of how great the depth of WR's may be this draft season.
I am just providing information that you can debate or contemplate as to whether or not a generational WR like Marvin can help us become a consistent playoff contender?
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Post by devongent on Mar 4, 2024 10:37:37 GMT -7
I am just providing information that you can debate or contemplate as to whether or not a generational WR like Marvin can help us become a consistent playoff contender? Your analysis packs a punch flash; I can only think that you invested a lot of your time musing on things and then getting that lot together.
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 4, 2024 12:13:19 GMT -7
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Post by flash on Mar 4, 2024 13:00:41 GMT -7
I am just providing information that you can debate or contemplate as to whether or not a generational WR like Marvin can help us become a consistent playoff contender? Your analysis packs a punch flash; I can only think that you invested a lot of your time musing on things and then getting that lot together. Hello Dev,
Yes, it did take a lot of thinking and work to come up with this topic. I myself was curious as to how much difference a great WR vs. an above average WR makes for the Win/Loss columns.
I knew it would be time consuming, so that is why I decided to start off with the top 5 passing teams of 2023.
I will try to get to the second team sometime this week. Perhaps when I get done with the 5 teams, we will see either a positive pattern or negative pattern to having an elite WR versus just an above average one.
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