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Post by flash on Mar 9, 2024 10:09:53 GMT -7
Here is our Draft Oder:
Round 1 (4) Round 1 (27- from Houston) Round 2 (35) Round 3 (66) Round 3 (71 - from Tennessee) Round 3 (90 - from Houston) Round 4 (103) Round 5 (137) Round 5 (161 - from Houston) Round 6 (185 - from Minnesota) Round 7 (226 - from NY Giants)
What do you think about trading up to the mid second round? We give up 2 of our 3 3rd round picks(#71 and #90).
The Giants and Eagles have 2 each 2nd round picks. Giants: #39 and #47 Eagles: #50 and #53
We would be trading 2nd and 3rd round picks with either team. Instead of us having one 2nd round pick and three 3rd round picks, we end up with two 2nd round picks and one 3rd round picks. Either of those teams end up with one 2nd round pick and two 3rd round picks. The question is this, are our two later round picks worth the mid 2nd round pick we would trade up for? If not, would adding one of our 5th round picks(#137 or #161) get the deal done?
Why do that? Is it possible that a player slides from the late first round to the mid second round? Or a early second round player slides to the mid second round? Or, would the BPA on the board in the mid second round be worth giving up two of our 3rd round picks? Just something that might be an option for us. What do you think?
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Post by knobby on Mar 9, 2024 10:28:46 GMT -7
Here is our Draft Oder:
Round 1 (4) Round 1 (27- from Houston) Round 2 (35) Round 3 (66) Round 3 (71 - from Tennessee) Round 3 (90 - from Houston) Round 4 (103) Round 5 (137) Round 5 (161 - from Houston) Round 6 (185 - from Minnesota) Round 7 (226 - from NY Giants)
What do you think about trading up to the mid second round? We give up 2 of our 3 3rd round picks(#71 and #90).
The Giants and Eagles have 2 each 2nd round picks. Giants: #39 and #47 Eagles: #50 and #53
We would be trading 2nd and 3rd round picks with either team. Instead of us having one 2nd round pick and three 3rd round picks, we end up with two 2nd round picks and one 3rd round picks. Either of those teams end up with one 2nd round pick and two 3rd round picks. The question is this, are our two later round picks worth the mid 2nd round pick we would trade up for? If not, would adding one of our 5th round picks(#137 or #161) get the deal done?
Why do that? Is it possible that a player slides from the late first round to the mid second round? Or a early second round player slides to the mid second round? Or, would the BPA on the board in the mid second round be worth giving up two of our 3rd round picks? Just something that might be an option for us. What do you think?
I think I'm happy not to be Monti. Let him sweat it out and be paid for it - then receive all the flak or praise that follows.
But seriously, there will be so much changing pick by pick that it is very much flying by the seat of your pants all through the draft. How can anyone make firm decisions before each pick? Too many variables involved.
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 9, 2024 11:15:05 GMT -7
Here is our Draft Oder:
Round 1 (4) Round 1 (27- from Houston) Round 2 (35) Round 3 (66) Round 3 (71 - from Tennessee) Round 3 (90 - from Houston) Round 4 (103) Round 5 (137) Round 5 (161 - from Houston) Round 6 (185 - from Minnesota) Round 7 (226 - from NY Giants)
What do you think about trading up to the mid second round? We give up 2 of our 3 3rd round picks(#71 and #90).
The Giants and Eagles have 2 each 2nd round picks. Giants: #39 and #47 Eagles: #50 and #53
We would be trading 2nd and 3rd round picks with either team. Instead of us having one 2nd round pick and three 3rd round picks, we end up with two 2nd round picks and one 3rd round picks. Either of those teams end up with one 2nd round pick and two 3rd round picks. The question is this, are our two later round picks worth the mid 2nd round pick we would trade up for? If not, would adding one of our 5th round picks(#137 or #161) get the deal done?
Why do that? Is it possible that a player slides from the late first round to the mid second round? Or an early second round player slides to the mid second round? Or, would the BPA on the board in the mid second round be worth giving up two of our 3rd round picks? Just something that might be an option for us. What do you think?
I feel like this draft is very deep into the first three rounds, and I want more picks in that range, not less. We have so many holes. I’d rather drop down a bit from #4 to pick up a second and have seven picks in the first three rounds, and take Rome Odunze instead of Harrison Jr, plus a second and change.
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Post by ricardo on Mar 9, 2024 11:42:41 GMT -7
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Post by knobby on Mar 9, 2024 13:48:23 GMT -7
This rumored trade could be good, but I'm not so sure about Adams as part of it. Better would be two picks IMO, though that may not be feasible with the Raiders.
Adams has a good10 year history, but age is starting to be a factor in how long he can remain a big contributor to winning. Wear and tear take their toll eventually, so why rely on an older player at a time of rebuild which should be staffed to last for many years?
Throw in salary considerations (+/- $16 mil) vs. a rookie, and he being part of a trade does not look as attractive.
Considering all such trades is smart business practice and makes other teams GMs have to think about moving up, too. It might even inspire one or two to offer something better. But if not, no gain, no loss from staying at #4 in pick order.
EDIT: Here are the Raiders' current draft picks: Round 1, Pick 13 Round 2, Pick 44 Round 3, Pick 77 Round 4, Pick 111 Round 5, Pick 147 Round 6, Pick 207 (from KC) Round 7, Pick 223 (from NE) Round 7, Pick 227 (from TEN) Round 7, Pick 229 (from MIN)
IMHO
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Post by Boomer on Mar 10, 2024 8:27:49 GMT -7
The Packers have done quite well since moving on from Adams and Rogers. Mainly because LaFleur finally has a team that he can say is "his" team.
I think we can do better sticking with the plan of building through the draft. We are definitely not ready to break the bank to make a deep run into the playoffs even with the draft capital and cap space we have.
I'm seeing that the Patriots have traded Mac Jones to the Jaguars for their 6th pick. How does that change things?
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Post by flash on Mar 10, 2024 10:35:49 GMT -7
The Packers have done quite well since moving on from Adams and Rogers. Mainly because LaFleur finally has a team that he can say is "his" team. I think we can do better sticking with the plan of building through the draft. We are definitely not ready to break the bank to make a deep run into the playoffs even with the draft capital and cap space we have. I'm seeing that the Patriots have traded Mac Jones to the Jaguars for their 6th pick. How does that change things? As long as they do not go with an FA QB or Trade for a Veteran QB, I think that means they know they have to draft a QB if they don't do either of those things. I think that is good news for us because more than likely they won't take Marvin but draft one of the top 3 QB's. I guess the question is whether or not they would consider picking up an interim QB and taking Marvin?
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Post by devongent on Mar 14, 2024 16:24:31 GMT -7
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 14, 2024 19:58:35 GMT -7
Taking care of one of our top needs in FA really opens up the possibilities!
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Post by belac44 on Mar 14, 2024 20:26:46 GMT -7
Here is our Draft Oder:
Round 1 (4) Round 1 (27- from Houston) Round 2 (35) Round 3 (66) Round 3 (71 - from Tennessee) Round 3 (90 - from Houston) Round 4 (103) Round 5 (137) Round 5 (161 - from Houston) Round 6 (185 - from Minnesota) Round 7 (226 - from NY Giants)
What do you think about trading up to the mid second round? We give up 2 of our 3 3rd round picks(#71 and #90).
The Giants and Eagles have 2 each 2nd round picks. Giants: #39 and #47 Eagles: #50 and #53
We would be trading 2nd and 3rd round picks with either team. Instead of us having one 2nd round pick and three 3rd round picks, we end up with two 2nd round picks and one 3rd round picks. Either of those teams end up with one 2nd round pick and two 3rd round picks. The question is this, are our two later round picks worth the mid 2nd round pick we would trade up for? If not, would adding one of our 5th round picks(#137 or #161) get the deal done?
Why do that? Is it possible that a player slides from the late first round to the mid second round? Or an early second round player slides to the mid second round? Or, would the BPA on the board in the mid second round be worth giving up two of our 3rd round picks? Just something that might be an option for us. What do you think?
Too many holes in my opinion to trade away two thirds for a second. We can get good guys there. I would prefer to trade our late 3 and Budda to move up in the second. Plenty of FA Safeties you can replace him with for 1/3 the cost and same contribution.
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Post by belac44 on Mar 14, 2024 20:40:21 GMT -7
Mock I would be okay with that seems semi realistic.
4) MHJ 27) Graham Barton OG DUke 35) Darius Robinson Edge/DL Missouri 66) Michael Hall Jr DL OSU 71) Kris Abrams-Draine CB Missouri 90) Roger Rosengarten OT Wash 104) Brenden Rice WR USC (he went to Hamilton in Chandler and my friends kid says he was a punk. Pretty sure that is to be expected) 138) Theo Johnson TE Penn State 162) Tommy Eichenberg LB OSU 186) Mohamed Kamala Edge CO State 226) Dallin Holker TE CO State
Cards will add a TE, you heard it here first or again. Could not pass up Holker even after taking Johnson. I doubt he lasts this long though.
I have done tons of mocks, but only like realistic ones and the ratings of players are getting better. This is one I think is actually possible at this point and I would take.
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Post by devongent on Mar 15, 2024 2:38:03 GMT -7
Mock I would be okay with that seems semi realistic. 4) MHJ 27) Graham Barton OG DUke 35) Darius Robinson Edge/DL Missouri 66) Michael Hall Jr DL OSU 71) Kris Abrams-Draine CB Missouri 90) Roger Rosengarten OT Wash 104) Brenden Rice WR USC (he went to Hamilton in Chandler and my friends kid says he was a punk. Pretty sure that is to be expected) 138) Theo Johnson TE Penn State 162) Tommy Eichenberg LB OSU 186) Mohamed Kamala Edge CO State 226) Dallin Holker TE CO State Cards will add a TE, you heard it here first or again. Could not pass up Holker even after taking Johnson. I doubt he lasts this long though. I have done tons of mocks, but only like realistic ones and the ratings of players are getting better. This is one I think is actually possible at this point and I would take. Graham Barton is an interesting candidate and I did vote for him on the forum Big Board, immediately after the first round. - I felt it was a bit harsh he didn't make our Top 60, there doesn't seem to be much love for him within the membership. He is widely projected to be a Guard in the NFL, hence he may drop a little due to the 'Tackle premium effect'. - Personally, I would prefer #35 (if the FO were keen on him) and use that #27 for the best Edge rusher (including Zer'Zhan Newton) that we can get. All of the above depends on Harrison being available #4 and/ or the FO not being tempted with a Trade Down. I agree that your mock has the 'air of realism' about it, hence it is a good illustration of what could happen. - For myself, I would still like to see a big powerful Running Back and a specialist, ball-hawk, Free Safety included and high up the list (3rd Round).
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Post by flash on Mar 15, 2024 7:39:11 GMT -7
So, the Bears just picked up Keenan Allen...does that mean we can be pretty sure that Caleb will be their first pick? I did see a few mock drafts that where they drafted Marvin with their first pick. I also do not think they will trade up from their #9 pick to get Marvin. So I think they are out of the Marvin race.
The Commanders, hired Kliff. Depending on how much input he as as their new OC, he is probably drooling for Caleb. Would they trade up with the Bears to get Caleb? Probably not. Either way, they are probably going QB with either Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye and a long shot Caleb. My point? They are out of the Marvin Race.
Now, the Patriots should probably go QB with the third QB left on the board. Or do they start their rebuild with Marvin? Cousins is gone. Wilson is gone. The only one they might consider trading for would be Justin Fields? Would they do that? If the answer is no, then they are out of the Marvin race too. But if the answer is yes, then Marvin will most likely be their pick.
As of this morning, I am more concerned about the Chargers leap frogging us to get Marvin. Why, they don't have their play makers left. Keenan Allen Gone. Mike Williams Gone. Austin Ekeler Gone. Since the Chargers have only 5 picks in the first 4 rounds, I don't see them trading up to get Marvin. They are going to need those picks to try and fill the holes that are left by Keenan, Ekeler, Williams.
Our chances to land Marvin are looking better and better. As of right now we have Michael Wilson and Greg Dortch as our WR's. I am not including the newly signed Chris Moore.
In 2021 our WR/TE Corp included
DeAndre Hopkins Christian Kirk A.J. Green Greg Dortch Rondale Moore Zach Ertz
We went 11-6 that season.
We still have Dortch. McBride is as good or better than Etz. If we get Marvin, hopefully he could be as good as or better than DeAndre. Do we need to find a Christian Kirk in the draft? Or can Michael Wilson step up to that caliber? Or is Michael Wilson going to play the role of A.J. Green?
Looks like we need one more WR...either for a Kirk equivalent or an A.J. Green equivalent. Who do we draft to fill either one of those?
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Post by belac44 on Mar 15, 2024 8:02:49 GMT -7
Mock I would be okay with that seems semi realistic. 4) MHJ 27) Graham Barton OG DUke 35) Darius Robinson Edge/DL Missouri 66) Michael Hall Jr DL OSU 71) Kris Abrams-Draine CB Missouri 90) Roger Rosengarten OT Wash 104) Brenden Rice WR USC (he went to Hamilton in Chandler and my friends kid says he was a punk. Pretty sure that is to be expected) 138) Theo Johnson TE Penn State 162) Tommy Eichenberg LB OSU 186) Mohamed Kamala Edge CO State 226) Dallin Holker TE CO State Cards will add a TE, you heard it here first or again. Could not pass up Holker even after taking Johnson. I doubt he lasts this long though. I have done tons of mocks, but only like realistic ones and the ratings of players are getting better. This is one I think is actually possible at this point and I would take. Graham Barton is an interesting candidate and I did vote for him on the forum Big Board, immediately after the first round. - I felt it was a bit harsh he didn't make our Top 60, there doesn't seem to be much love for him within the membership. He is widely projected to be a Guard in the NFL, hence he may drop a little due to the 'Tackle premium effect'. - Personally, I would prefer #35 (if the FO were keen on him) and use that #27 for the best Edge rusher (including Zer'Zhan Newton) that we can get. All of the above depends on Harrison being available #4 and/ or the FO not being tempted with a Trade Down. I agree that your mock has the 'air of realism' about it, hence it is a good illustration of what could happen. - For myself, I would still like to see a big powerful Running Back and a specialist, ball-hawk, Free Safety included and high up the list (3rd Round). I did not participate in the big board as it did not make much sense to me. Barton at 35 would be preferred, the edge and Dline players I would want were gone at 27. Robinson has seen a huge rise since Sr Bowl, but I am still not totally sold on him going in first. We shall see. I do not know enough about the safeties to take one late. I have made it very clear in multiple threads I would love to trade Budda and a pick to move up into the second. Some of the top end safeties I like and knowledgeable on. I’d like a true cover safety. So many players I want and just not enough picks. There are many ways they can go with these picks and whatever position or player, they just need to hit on the picks. Have to get contributors. I also would like a big bruiser back. Not sure what the heck the plan is with Deejay Dallas. That signing baffles me. They have James Conner, Michael Carter, Demercado, Dallas and Tony Jones (big back). There are guys I like, but not sure we need to spend draft capitol on one. 4th or later would work, but not sure it is needed. Would love to plug another person like J.C. In there for when he inevitably gets hurt.
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Post by devongent on Mar 15, 2024 8:17:42 GMT -7
Now, the Patriots should probably go QB with the third QB left on the board. Or do they start their rebuild with Marvin? I've posted on the Patriots before and my view is they may go one of four ways; take the third QB, or Alt, or Harrison or Trade Down. The pundits out there seem mostly to agree they will take the QB, but if I was their GM I would be looking to Trade Down and gather some extra picks. - If each option had an even chance, then flash you are 75% way there to your dream!
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