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Post by flash on Nov 19, 2023 16:57:31 GMT -7
You are saying that what announcers say are proof to support your argument? That is weak. You say he is not a good fit? It is his second game. That is a premature statement. If the announcers aren't lying, and coach is basically not running our offense, because Kyler can't run it, how is that weak? The kid was practicing before he was ever back on the field. For what, an extra two weeks. He also had the entire offseason to study it on his iPad. They never explained why he can't do it so we are all left to guess. Maybe they will never tell us. Maybe he's to process the reads so they are dumbing down the playbook the same way Texas had to do with Vince Young because despite Young's phenomenal running ability, he couldn't ever process more than two reads before he had to run. I do know the coach's wouldn't tell of if he's too dumb, even if he is, because it would crater his trade value. So maybe coach has made up his mind as his goal is to get Kyler comfortable running what he does best, knowing it's meaningless this year, so he can improve his trade stock. Don't you think if he was the answer, coach would actually run what coach wants to run vs. resorting to KK like play calls? It has nothing to do with it being his second game back. Dobbs came in right away and learned to execute coach's offense. We didn't have to change back to a KK type system to accomodate him. You don't see what happened today as a huge red flag? This wasn't my observation. Lots of board members, even Kyler supporters questioned the formation usage. If you think that announcers don't lie or are not biased, yes then I think your argument is weak. Why don't you give me something tangible like facts as to why Kyler will not be our QB of the future?
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Post by CardCore on Nov 19, 2023 17:04:26 GMT -7
Could it be it is Murray's 2nd game back and still needs to acclimate to the new offensive playbook? Could it be that it is Murray's 2nd game back and still needs to get the timing down with WR's? Perhaps it is not "errors" with Murray, but more that he needs to practice and have game time with his WR Corp? We lost by one score. And we were close to getting that. Had Murray been playing the whole season, would he have missed his last pass to Brown. We were in the game until the last minute of the game...so I don't think Murray did that bad considering. Umm...did our defense contribute towards our loss or are you putting it on Murray only? When it is the same exact stuff we under the last coaching staff that raises some red flags. When Dobbs was here for 4 days and did not have any of the delay of game issues, maybe that should show you that is not a great excuse. Kyler has been around much longer than Dobbs. I did not get too excited over Kyler’s solid game last week and I will not get too down this week. When the offense looks exactly like it did many times since 2019 then yeah, I am going to worry it might just be who Kyler is and not all on the staff. I will wait for a larger sample size, just like some people that claimed we would win 5-7 games the rest of the year should have, before making any long term claims. He missed multiple passes to Brown and a very important one to a wide open McBride. He took sacks he did not need to as there were open guys. I am a Cardinal fan, I want Kyler to be what some of you think he is, I just think you could be wrong. He makes it fun, but also extremely frustrating. This staff now has two game tapes to work on with Kyler and figure out how to use him best. The last staff could not figure it out. Kyler had a great throw to Moore. Kyler had a great run to get in the end zone. I'm pretty sure MO/JG and others are reckoning with the realities at hand. It'll be interesting how it all ends up.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Nov 19, 2023 17:04:53 GMT -7
If the announcers aren't lying, and coach is basically not running our offense, because Kyler can't run it, how is that weak? The kid was practicing before he was ever back on the field. For what, an extra two weeks. He also had the entire offseason to study it on his iPad. They never explained why he can't do it so we are all left to guess. Maybe they will never tell us. Maybe he's to process the reads so they are dumbing down the playbook the same way Texas had to do with Vince Young because despite Young's phenomenal running ability, he couldn't ever process more than two reads before he had to run. I do know the coach's wouldn't tell of if he's too dumb, even if he is, because it would crater his trade value. So maybe coach has made up his mind as his goal is to get Kyler comfortable running what he does best, knowing it's meaningless this year, so he can improve his trade stock. Don't you think if he was the answer, coach would actually run what coach wants to run vs. resorting to KK like play calls? It has nothing to do with it being his second game back. Dobbs came in right away and learned to execute coach's offense. We didn't have to change back to a KK type system to accomodate him. You don't see what happened today as a huge red flag? This wasn't my observation. Lots of board members, even Kyler supporters questioned the formation usage. If you think that announcers don't lie or are not biased, yes then I think your argument is weak. Why don't you give me something tangible like facts as to why Kyler will not be our QB of the future? The facts are simple. Look at all of Kyler's weaknesses his first 3 seasons. Then tell me a single area where he's improved. Just one will do. A good QB improves. I've yet to see him do anything more than he was already capable of.
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Post by flash on Nov 19, 2023 17:10:13 GMT -7
If you think that announcers don't lie or are not biased, yes then I think your argument is weak. Why don't you give me something tangible like facts as to why Kyler will not be our QB of the future? The facts are simple. Look at all of Kyler's weaknesses his first 3 seasons. Then tell me a single area where he's improved. Just one will do. A good QB improves. I've yet to see him do anything more than he was already capable of. His 7-0 start of the season not long ago? Was it Kyler or the rest of the team that created that? If it was the rest of the team, well guess what...we don't have that same team at this point. Give us that same team or players equal to that and Kyler can do that again. Tell me how his weaknesses allowed him to have a 7-0 start?
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Post by CardSunsCard on Nov 19, 2023 17:32:42 GMT -7
The facts are simple. Look at all of Kyler's weaknesses his first 3 seasons. Then tell me a single area where he's improved. Just one will do. A good QB improves. I've yet to see him do anything more than he was already capable of. His 7-0 start of the season not long ago? Was it Kyler or the rest of the team that created that? If it was the rest of the team, well guess what...we don't have that same team at this point. Give us that same team or players equal to that and Kyler can do that again. Tell me how his weaknesses allowed him to have a 7-0 start? I could go through them all but it sounds like it doesn't matter so I'll explain one and it should be sufficient. Look at when Kyler beat the Rams early in the season then look at our late season losses. Do you know why the Rams didn't win the first time? Their pass rushers didn't stay in their lanes. If you go watch Kyler's worst college games, the teams that gave him the biggest fits didn't rush but 3 or 4. They stayed in lanes and basically ran short versions of prevent, making Kyler dink and dunk the entire game, because the easiest way to beat him is to take away his deep ball and just don't over-pursue giving him room to run. The Rams played aggressive when they lost, and when they neutered Kyler, they did exactly what they should have done the first time. Which had they studied his college film they could have learned. Kyler is a guy who needs big plays. I've rarely seen him not get frustrated and play consistently 'smart' football when you force him to read a defense. Guess what. When you don't blitz all the time, it's a lot harder on a QB to read a defense because you don't have easy Hot routes to identify. More teams started playing that way after his hot start, so the fault is more the D coordinators just not studying his old college tape to see what he's bad at. This isn't my opinion either. This was talked about before, and the Rams players admitted it. This is why he absolutely needs to learn to play under center where you can get a stronger ground game going. Why? Defense can't sit back in prevent mode. They are forced to bring guys into the box. They have to blitz. That opens up opportunities and sets them up for mistakes. Being in shotgun though, makes it easy to basically just rush four and sit in coverage. Not only that, but Shotgun makes it a LOT easier to run D-line stunts when you're only bringing 3 or 4. KK was also known for hot starts and always lost second half of seasons. So does starting hot mean KK's worth a damn?
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Post by belac44 on Nov 19, 2023 18:09:55 GMT -7
The facts are simple. Look at all of Kyler's weaknesses his first 3 seasons. Then tell me a single area where he's improved. Just one will do. A good QB improves. I've yet to see him do anything more than he was already capable of. His 7-0 start of the season not long ago? Was it Kyler or the rest of the team that created that? If it was the rest of the team, well guess what...we don't have that same team at this point. Give us that same team or players equal to that and Kyler can do that again. Tell me how his weaknesses allowed him to have a 7-0 start? You keep bringing up that 7-0 but how did the rest of that season go? How was Kyler in the playoff game? I have said numerous places, NFL players that faced Kyler twice a year say they figure him out by the end of the year. Good DC’s can scheme how to bother him as it does not seem overly hard to do. Colt McCoy went 2-1 with that team minus D Hop, so that also needs to be factored in. Kliff was spoken of as coach of the year candidate and people on here were actually worried a college team would snatch him up. We saw how that worked out. Those 7 games seem to be more of an outlier unfortunately. Plays were there to be made that franchise QB’s should have made today. Again, will cut him some slack since its second game back, but we are seeing some of the same stuff so far.
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Post by flash on Nov 19, 2023 18:15:51 GMT -7
His 7-0 start of the season not long ago? Was it Kyler or the rest of the team that created that? If it was the rest of the team, well guess what...we don't have that same team at this point. Give us that same team or players equal to that and Kyler can do that again. Tell me how his weaknesses allowed him to have a 7-0 start? You keep bringing up that 7-0 but how did the rest of that season go? How was Kyler in the playoff game? I have said numerous places, NFL players that faced Kyler twice a year say they figure him out by the end of the year. Good DC’s can scheme how to bother him as it does not seem overly hard to do. Colt McCoy went 2-1 with that team minus D Hop, so that also needs to be factored in. Kliff was spoken of as coach of the year candidate and people on here were actually worried a college team would snatch him up. We saw how that worked out. Those 7 games seem to be more of an outlier unfortunately. Plays were there to be made that franchise QB’s should have made today. Again, will cut him some slack since its second game back, but we are seeing some of the same stuff so far. Does it really matter what he did the rest of the season? The fact is that he was able to go 7-0 period. Why was that? Was it the defense or other team corps like WR corp, Oline Corp or Defense or was it Kyler? My point is that Kyler is capable of winning games. And if I remember, wasn't Kyle somewhat injured in the playoff game. I have not checked the stats, but was the our best team on the field in that game? So, tell me...do you think we should replace Kyler? Because it seems your posts imply that.
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Post by flash on Nov 19, 2023 18:20:01 GMT -7
His 7-0 start of the season not long ago? Was it Kyler or the rest of the team that created that? If it was the rest of the team, well guess what...we don't have that same team at this point. Give us that same team or players equal to that and Kyler can do that again. Tell me how his weaknesses allowed him to have a 7-0 start? I could go through them all but it sounds like it doesn't matter so I'll explain one and it should be sufficient. Look at when Kyler beat the Rams early in the season then look at our late season losses. Do you know why the Rams didn't win the first time? Their pass rushers didn't stay in their lanes. If you go watch Kyler's worst college games, the teams that gave him the biggest fits didn't rush but 3 or 4. They stayed in lanes and basically ran short versions of prevent, making Kyler dink and dunk the entire game, because the easiest way to beat him is to take away his deep ball and just don't over-pursue giving him room to run. The Rams played aggressive when they lost, and when they neutered Kyler, they did exactly what they should have done the first time. Which had they studied his college film they could have learned. Kyler is a guy who needs big plays. I've rarely seen him not get frustrated and play consistently 'smart' football when you force him to read a defense. Guess what. When you don't blitz all the time, it's a lot harder on a QB to read a defense because you don't have easy Hot routes to identify. More teams started playing that way after his hot start, so the fault is more the D coordinators just not studying his old college tape to see what he's bad at. This isn't my opinion either. This was talked about before, and the Rams players admitted it. This is why he absolutely needs to learn to play under center where you can get a stronger ground game going. Why? Defense can't sit back in prevent mode. They are forced to bring guys into the box. They have to blitz. That opens up opportunities and sets them up for mistakes. Being in shotgun though, makes it easy to basically just rush four and sit in coverage. Not only that, but Shotgun makes it a LOT easier to run D-line stunts when you're only bringing 3 or 4. KK was also known for hot starts and always lost second half of seasons. So does starting hot mean KK's worth a damn? They did not stay in their lanes. Well, we can also say other things about the Cardinals when it comes to other games. Kyler didn't have good Oline blocking, the WR's did not get open or they dropped balls in their hands or there are probably other things I can bring up. I can go through some of our losses with Kyler and bring up excuses to why we lost...should I do that?
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Post by belac44 on Nov 19, 2023 18:29:45 GMT -7
You keep bringing up that 7-0 but how did the rest of that season go? How was Kyler in the playoff game? I have said numerous places, NFL players that faced Kyler twice a year say they figure him out by the end of the year. Good DC’s can scheme how to bother him as it does not seem overly hard to do. Colt McCoy went 2-1 with that team minus D Hop, so that also needs to be factored in. Kliff was spoken of as coach of the year candidate and people on here were actually worried a college team would snatch him up. We saw how that worked out. Those 7 games seem to be more of an outlier unfortunately. Plays were there to be made that franchise QB’s should have made today. Again, will cut him some slack since its second game back, but we are seeing some of the same stuff so far. Does it really matter what he did the rest of the season? The fact is that he was able to go 7-0 period. Why was that? Was it the defense of Kyler. My point is that Kyler is capable of winning games. And if I remember, wasn't Kyle somewhat injured in the playoff game. I have not checked the stats, but was the best team on the field in that game? So, tell me...do you think we should replace Kyler? Because it seems your posts imply that. If you are reading my posts thoroughly and actually taking it in, then I am not sure how you can say I am implying that. Accuracy matters, facts matter, getting things correct matter. Does the rest of the season matter?? Did you really ask that? Yes, just like the second half of the game matters, the second half of the season matters. If someone starts off hot and then defenses figure them out and they do not end well, that absolutely matters. I do not think you can find anyone on this board or anywhere that watches Cardinals that will claim Kyler can’t win a game. Kyler’s biggest detractors will not even say that. Most fans on here want a perennial playoff contender that could actually win the title. Winning 7 and then winning 2 or 3 of the last 10 will not cut it. Playing horrifically in a playoff game and throwing one of the worst pick sixes I’ve ever seen will not cut it. You do not pay someone $250mil a year for 7-9 wins. Fans want a QB that is a legit franchise QB that can win a Super Bowl. I’ve seen glimpses that he can win, but that was a stacked team around him. It benefits my favorite team if Kyler is the guy. The fact you do not have concerns he is the guy says more about you than it does me to question whether he is. His fans that are all in and think he is the greatest thing are always making excuses for him and that is odd. I am and will always be Cardinals first and players second. So in summary to make this very clear. I do not know that Kyler is the franchise QB to lead this team for 10 years. If you want and settle for mediocrity record wise then yeah, I’m sold, he can do that. I want to win the division, win playoff games and win a championship. I do NOT know he can do that and I also do NOT KNOW THAT HE CANT. Seeing some of the same issues today that I was the first 3 years is a bit alarming because his fans always tell me its the coaching, the injured players, the Oline, no WR’s, everything except Kyler. I hope Kyler and this staff figure out the best way for him to reach maximum effectiveness. I think we could build a super strong team around him, but some of this stuff today will not work even in that scenario. They have 6 games left to sort it out. The staff will get to know him real well and figure out if he is the guy to lead this team. They will not ask me my opinion, but if he can’t sort it out with two staffs then he needs to look in the mirror, as do his fans.
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Post by flash on Nov 19, 2023 19:01:30 GMT -7
Does it really matter what he did the rest of the season? The fact is that he was able to go 7-0 period. Why was that? Was it the defense of Kyler. My point is that Kyler is capable of winning games. And if I remember, wasn't Kyle somewhat injured in the playoff game. I have not checked the stats, but was the best team on the field in that game? So, tell me...do you think we should replace Kyler? Because it seems your posts imply that. If you are reading my posts thoroughly and actually taking it in, then I am not sure how you can say I am implying that. Accuracy matters, facts matter, getting things correct matter. Does the rest of the season matter?? Did you really ask that? Yes, just like the second half of the game matters, the second half of the season matters. If someone starts off hot and then defenses figure them out and they do not end well, that absolutely matters. I do not think you can find anyone on this board or anywhere that watches Cardinals that will claim Kyler can’t win a game. Kyler’s biggest detractors will not even say that. Most fans on here want a perennial playoff contender that could actually win the title. Winning 7 and then winning 2 or 3 of the last 10 will not cut it. Playing horrifically in a playoff game and throwing one of the worst pick sixes I’ve ever seen will not cut it. Y ou do not pay someone $250mil a year for 7-9 wins. Fans want a QB that is a legit franchise QB that can win a Super Bowl. I’ve seen glimpses that he can win, but that was a stacked team around him. It benefits my favorite team if Kyler is the guy. The fact you do not have concerns he is the guy says more about you than it does me to question whether he is. His fans that are all in and think he is the greatest thing are always making excuses for him and that is odd. I am and will always be Cardinals first and players second. So in summary to make this very clear. I do not know that Kyler is the franchise QB to lead this team for 10 years. If you want and settle for mediocrity record wise then yeah, I’m sold, he can do that. I want to win the division, win playoff games and win a championship. I do NOT know he can do that and I also do NOT KNOW THAT HE CANT. Seeing some of the same issues today that I was the first 3 years is a bit alarming because his fans always tell me its the coaching, the injured players, the Oline, no WR’s, everything except Kyler. I hope Kyler and this staff figure out the best way for him to reach maximum effectiveness. I think we could build a super strong team around him, but some of this stuff today will not work even in that scenario. They have 6 games left to sort it out. The staff will get to know him real well and figure out if he is the guy to lead this team. They will not ask me my opinion, but if he can’t sort it out with two staffs then he needs to look in the mirror, as do his fans. I agree that you do not pay someone that much money for 7 to 9 wins. Kyler is in his second game and lost one and won one. You say 7 to 9 wins, are you talking about a full season? I assume you are. Why don't we give him a full season to see if he can do that. Or better yet, let's look at it like this. He will play a total of 8 games this season. If he wins 6 of those games, is he above your expectation...yes...no? Oh, and don't forget that he is acclimating to a new offense and learning to gel with his players. Does he get any slack because of that? When we look at Kyler as our QB of the Future, what is holding him back? Is it Kyler? If it is, then we need to rethink our QB position. But if it is not him and it is the rest of the team that is the reason we lose games, as in Defense...or... lack of a good WR Corp...we should get rid of him? When you say 7 to 9 wins...well 9 wins is a winning season...that is a lot more than what we did last season. Tell me you don't think we can have 11 plus wins with a Marvin Harrison or an above average CB and Pass Rusher with Murray as QB? If you don't believe that, then it does not matter how many great draft picks we have next year, that will not make a difference according to you. I think you are implying we need a new QB. Well, that is what I gather from your posts. We would be reaching by having to draft a new QB. If we do that, we do not address for the need to have a better WR Corp, Pass Rush Corp and most importantly a better CB Corp. I can't figure out if you want Kyler as our QB of the Future. But it seems you don't. You are suggesting that because in two games, he won one and lost one...he should win more than 7 to 9 games. Hmm...let him play enough games to see if he can do that. And if not, then fine...let's get a new QB. I welcome your rebuttal on this.
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Post by belac44 on Nov 19, 2023 19:17:38 GMT -7
If you are reading my posts thoroughly and actually taking it in, then I am not sure how you can say I am implying that. Accuracy matters, facts matter, getting things correct matter. Does the rest of the season matter?? Did you really ask that? Yes, just like the second half of the game matters, the second half of the season matters. If someone starts off hot and then defenses figure them out and they do not end well, that absolutely matters. I do not think you can find anyone on this board or anywhere that watches Cardinals that will claim Kyler can’t win a game. Kyler’s biggest detractors will not even say that. Most fans on here want a perennial playoff contender that could actually win the title. Winning 7 and then winning 2 or 3 of the last 10 will not cut it. Playing horrifically in a playoff game and throwing one of the worst pick sixes I’ve ever seen will not cut it. Y ou do not pay someone $250mil a year for 7-9 wins. Fans want a QB that is a legit franchise QB that can win a Super Bowl. I’ve seen glimpses that he can win, but that was a stacked team around him. It benefits my favorite team if Kyler is the guy. The fact you do not have concerns he is the guy says more about you than it does me to question whether he is. His fans that are all in and think he is the greatest thing are always making excuses for him and that is odd. I am and will always be Cardinals first and players second. So in summary to make this very clear. I do not know that Kyler is the franchise QB to lead this team for 10 years. If you want and settle for mediocrity record wise then yeah, I’m sold, he can do that. I want to win the division, win playoff games and win a championship. I do NOT know he can do that and I also do NOT KNOW THAT HE CANT. Seeing some of the same issues today that I was the first 3 years is a bit alarming because his fans always tell me its the coaching, the injured players, the Oline, no WR’s, everything except Kyler. I hope Kyler and this staff figure out the best way for him to reach maximum effectiveness. I think we could build a super strong team around him, but some of this stuff today will not work even in that scenario. They have 6 games left to sort it out. The staff will get to know him real well and figure out if he is the guy to lead this team. They will not ask me my opinion, but if he can’t sort it out with two staffs then he needs to look in the mirror, as do his fans. I agree that you do not pay someone that much money for 7 to 9 wins. Kyler is in his second game and lost one and won one. You say 7 to 9 wins, are you talking about a full season? I assume you are. Why don't we give him a full season to see if he can do that. Or better yet, let's look at it like this. He will play a total of 8 games this season. If he wins 6 of those games, is he above your expectation...yes...no? Oh, and don't forget that he is acclimating to a new offense and learning to gel with his players. Does he get any slack because of that? When we look at Kyler as our QB of the Future, what is holding him back? Is it Kyler? If it is, then we need to rethink our QB position. But if it is not him and it is the rest of the team that is the reason we lose games, as in Defense...or... lack of a good WR Corp...we should get rid of him? When you say 7 to 9 wins...well 9 wins is a winning season...that is a lot more than what we did last season. Tell me you don't think we can have 11 plus wins with a Marvin Harrison or an above average CB and Pass Rusher with Murray as QB? If you don't believe that, then it does not matter how many great draft picks we have next year, that will not make a difference according to you. I think you are implying we need a new QB. Well, that is what I gather from your posts. We would be reaching by having to draft a new QB. If we do that, we do not address for the need to have a better WR Corp, Pass Rush Corp and most importantly a better CB Corp. I can't figure out if you want Kyler as our QB of the Future. But it seems you don't. You are suggesting that because in two games, he won one and lost one...he should win more than 7 to 9 games. Hmm...let him play enough games to see if he can do that. And if not, then fine...let's get a new QB. I welcome your rebuttal on this. I will admit I am multitasking but pretty sure my last post was clear. I would LOVE for Kyler to be the QBOF because that helps my team and we do not have to use more resources to replace him. I am rooting for him. Kyler has had 3 full seasons but his body has not held up. You act like it’s someone else’s fault he has not played full seasons. If he wins 6 games that would exceed expectations of this team, yes. If he is truly a franchise QB this game should have been won. Yes, second game, blah blah blah, he gets some slack. He has had all offseason to learn this offense, did Dobbs get the same? Dobbs had us in games as well and he cost a 5th rounder and minimal contract. Kylers numbers are very much inline with Dobbs so far right? Should we not expect to get more from the first pick $250 mil man? I will say this for the 5th time, I am not judging him yet, I will wait until the end of the year. As much as I praised his game last week, I will bring up the red flags I saw from him the first 3 seasons. I cannot go back in forth with someone who appears to be struggling to understand what I am saying as to me, it seems clear. You think Kyler is amazing and any failures fall on others, I get it and I hope you are right. I still have questions. I’m done here.
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 19, 2023 19:19:23 GMT -7
If you think that announcers don't lie or are not biased, yes then I think your argument is weak. Why don't you give me something tangible like facts as to why Kyler will not be our QB of the future? The facts are simple. Look at all of Kyler's weaknesses his first 3 seasons. Then tell me a single area where he's improved. Just one will do. A good QB improves. I've yet to see him do anything more than he was already capable of. I can’t believe after one year and new coaches watching his film and examining things to improve on, they haven’t even fixed simple things like tucking the ball when scrambling past the LOS. That has me concerned. If they didn’t fix the simple stuff, did they even work on anything?
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Post by belac44 on Nov 19, 2023 19:42:23 GMT -7
If you think that announcers don't lie or are not biased, yes then I think your argument is weak. Why don't you give me something tangible like facts as to why Kyler will not be our QB of the future? The facts are simple. Look at all of Kyler's weaknesses his first 3 seasons. Then tell me a single area where he's improved. Just one will do. A good QB improves. I've yet to see him do anything more than he was already capable of. He does seem to be taking accountability and blame this year. Not sure I’ve seen him do that before.
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Post by flash on Nov 19, 2023 19:43:52 GMT -7
I agree that you do not pay someone that much money for 7 to 9 wins. Kyler is in his second game and lost one and won one. You say 7 to 9 wins, are you talking about a full season? I assume you are. Why don't we give him a full season to see if he can do that. Or better yet, let's look at it like this. He will play a total of 8 games this season. If he wins 6 of those games, is he above your expectation...yes...no? Oh, and don't forget that he is acclimating to a new offense and learning to gel with his players. Does he get any slack because of that? When we look at Kyler as our QB of the Future, what is holding him back? Is it Kyler? If it is, then we need to rethink our QB position. But if it is not him and it is the rest of the team that is the reason we lose games, as in Defense...or... lack of a good WR Corp...we should get rid of him? When you say 7 to 9 wins...well 9 wins is a winning season...that is a lot more than what we did last season. Tell me you don't think we can have 11 plus wins with a Marvin Harrison or an above average CB and Pass Rusher with Murray as QB? If you don't believe that, then it does not matter how many great draft picks we have next year, that will not make a difference according to you. I think you are implying we need a new QB. Well, that is what I gather from your posts. We would be reaching by having to draft a new QB. If we do that, we do not address for the need to have a better WR Corp, Pass Rush Corp and most importantly a better CB Corp. I can't figure out if you want Kyler as our QB of the Future. But it seems you don't. You are suggesting that because in two games, he won one and lost one...he should win more than 7 to 9 games. Hmm...let him play enough games to see if he can do that. And if not, then fine...let's get a new QB. I welcome your rebuttal on this. I will admit I am multitasking but pretty sure my last post was clear. I would LOVE for Kyler to be the QBOF because that helps my team and we do not have to use more resources to replace him. I am rooting for him. Kyler has had 3 full seasons but his body has not held up. You act like it’s someone else’s fault he has not played full seasons. If he wins 6 games that would exceed expectations of this team, yes. If he is truly a franchise QB this game should have been won. Yes, second game, blah blah blah, he gets some slack. He has had all offseason to learn this offense, did Dobbs get the same? Dobbs had us in games as well and he cost a 5th rounder and minimal contract. Kylers numbers are very much inline with Dobbs so far right? Should we not expect to get more from the first pick $250 mil man? I will say this for the 5th time, I am not judging him yet, I will wait until the end of the year. As much as I praised his game last week, I will bring up the red flags I saw from him the first 3 seasons. I cannot go back in forth with someone who appears to be struggling to understand what I am saying as to me, it seems clear. You think Kyler is amazing and any failures fall on others, I get it and I hope you are right. I still have questions. I’m done here. So, your way out of this argument is to say you are done here?
First of all, you are basing all of your assumptions about Kyler on his previous Coaching staff and his previous team. You keep bringing up about what he has done in the past. We are not there anymore. KK screwed up on so many play calls that we would have had more wins to Kylers credit. You compare Dobbs stats to Kyler? You say that because Kyler had all offseason to learn the offense? You have to be kidding me. You and I and everyone on this board know that learning the offense in the classroom is not even close to learning it on the field. It seems to me that you are the one struggling more with what I am trying to say than I am with what you are saying. You say that I think Kyler is amazing. I have never said that. I think he is good enough to get us into playoff contention with a better defense and an Alpha WR. Our second and third best WR in the game today were Moore and Dortch who had his first start today. Would you like to contest how good or bad they are? I guarantee that you would lose on that argument if you say they are worthy of being part of a good WR Corp.
Do you think I am not as dedicated a Cardinals Fan as you? You keep saying how you would like for us to win as many games as possible. But yet on the other hand, your posts imply that Kyler is not good enough. Good enough for this season? Or are we talking after our next draft. So, tell me...if we draft players that improve our defense and offense next season, do you really think that Kyler can't make us playoff contender? Kyler does not have to be a Mahommes...in order for us to win a Super Bowl. Kurt Warner got us to a Super Bowl that we should have won. He did that with a 9 win season and as a Wildcard. Kyler can get us to a 9+ season next year or more. We will make the playoffs next year.
You said if Kyler was a Franchise QB he should have won this game. Dak lost to us. So, I guess he is not a franchise QB. They are playoff contenders. How many games has Josh Allen lost this season? I guess he is not their Franchise QB...right? But yet the Cowboys have CeeDee Lamb and the Bills have Stephon Diggs at WR. Who do we have? That was a weak argument.
Well, if you are done with this argument, then fine...but I will be disappointed in you ending our argument....
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Post by CardCore on Nov 19, 2023 19:54:06 GMT -7
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