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Post by Boomer on Nov 19, 2023 15:28:44 GMT -7
We have six more games to finish evaluating what Kyler can do in this offense. It's really about knowing by the end of the season who you want to keep and who you want to draft or obtain via free agency the following year.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Nov 19, 2023 15:32:04 GMT -7
S Any QB who doesn't suck, given enough offensive talent like Harrison and Bowers, should get you to the playoffs. But it doesn't matter if you always lose. I don't care about getting to the playoffs if I'm always going to exit the first round. I want a QB I know can win in the playoffs. Warner, Carson, and heck, Stroud would give you that chance. Stroud had an off game but you can just watch him and see he's got the mind for the game. You can tell the way he reads a defense, anticipates and throws to spots. One of his INTs today wasn't his fault. His other ones were but those were about his only bad passes. You watch all the other plays and you see him making smart decisions and putting the ball where it should be, even after our safety knocked him out of the game, he came right back and lit us up. I've never seen Kyler play smart football. Never. He's electric. He's dynamic. He makes these wow plays no one else makes like his TD scramble today. But he never should have been in that position. It was him limiting our offense to shotgun and getting our run game neutered that forced us into a 4th down where he HAS to make crazy plays. And thing is, can he make that play repeatedly without another injury? For years? I doubt it. We should want a guy who even after his legs slow can still win games with his mind and arm. And I just question the mind. I've seen no improvement. And getting this many balls batted down is the same thing he's always done. So once again, no improvement. Well, how long can we excuse not making progress on deficiencies? I just don't think timing has anything to do with our issues. Stroud was intercepted 3 times. That has not happened to him all season. What if we have a better defense next season? A pass rusher and a better #1 CB? That will not make a difference in our wins? Do you really think we would always lose with a player like Marvin? I'm just a fan of fixing the actual problem. Not covering it up. Marvin drastically improves our team. No one disputes that. But Stroud's best WR is Nico. Friggin Nico Collins. And Stroud is putting up great numbers this year with 2nd tier WR's. I actually want to draft WR's next year because it's a great class. We don't need Marvin though, there are lots of elite guys. I want to go best available and actually trade down since depth is so good. We have so many holes to fix. And the more depth we have, and cheaper depth, the more we can spend on someone like Chris Jones to play DL, or a stud CB. One of Stroud's INT's was on his WR. His other two WR's were him forcing the ball more than anything else. More him getting cute than anything. And Hamilton's INT was also just a great read on defense by Antonio Hamilton. Most our DBs can't jump routes. On many of Stroud's completions, it's less about our DB's being in bad spots, or playing poorly, and more Stroud just making fast reads then throwing to a spot before a WR breaks, which is what a good smart QB is supposed to do. When you do that no DB except guys like Deon can jump those throws. That's the big difference between smart QBs and QBs who aren't smart yet have big arms. The latter waits for a guy to come open then thinks his electric arm will always beat the DB. That doesn't work when you have good DBs who can recover. Smart QB's 'throw their guys open' by knowing exactly where the WR will be before the break is made, and they throw to a spot just before the WR makes the break. Kyler's not that type of QB. Most of today's QB's aren't because they never played in systems that required precise timing. Most of today's QB's run zone read systems where they watch to see what one defender does then if he does A they throw B. If he does B they throw A. In essence, they sometimes guess, often guessing wrong because maybe they misinterpret a DB's or LB's lean. That's why I hate these idiotic systems. My preference was always more the Bruce Arians type systems. They are the hardest to defend, yet hardest to operate. West Coast systems are a lot easier, but you still can't be an idiot. Today's offenses are basically 'QB school's for dummies.' What I never knew until today's game, is announcers talked about how Stroud had been running timing based systems since high school. Our GM should have noted that because that would have really made me want the kid. I liked him last year, but I'd never heard that in the combine news. I talked about this a lot in past QB threads, about how spending years learning fundamental matters so much in QB development. I'm a lot more convinced Stroud is going to be good for a long time now. The Texans trades look a lot better in hindsight.
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Post by flash on Nov 19, 2023 15:47:30 GMT -7
SStroud was intercepted 3 times. That has not happened to him all season. What if we have a better defense next season? A pass rusher and a better #1 CB? That will not make a difference in our wins? Do you really think we would always lose with a player like Marvin? I'm just a fan of fixing the actual problem. Not covering it up. Marvin drastically improves our team. No one disputes that. But Stroud's best WR is Nico. Friggin Nico Collins. And Stroud is putting up great numbers this year with 2nd tier WR's. I actually want to draft WR's next year because it's a great class. We don't need Marvin though, there are lots of elite guys. I want to go best available and actually trade down since depth is so good. We have so many holes to fix. And the more depth we have, and cheaper depth, the more we can spend on someone like Chris Jones to play DL, or a stud CB. One of Stroud's INT's was on his WR. His other two WR's were him forcing the ball more than anything else. More him getting cute than anything. And Hamilton's INT was also just a great read on defense by Antonio Hamilton. Most our DBs can't jump routes. On many of Stroud's completions, it's less about our DB's being in bad spots, or playing poorly, and more Stroud just making fast reads then throwing to a spot before a WR breaks, which is what a good smart QB is supposed to do. When you do that no DB except guys like Deon can jump those throws. That's the big difference between smart QBs and QBs who aren't smart yet have big arms. The latter waits for a guy to come open then thinks his electric arm will always beat the DB. That doesn't work when you have good DBs who can recover. Smart QB's 'throw their guys open' by knowing exactly where the WR will be before the break is made, and they throw to a spot just before the WR makes the break. Kyler's not that type of QB. Most of today's QB's aren't because they never played in systems that required precise timing. Most of today's QB's run zone read systems where they watch to see what one defender does then if he does A they throw B. If he does B they throw A. In essence, they sometimes guess, often guessing wrong because maybe they misinterpret a DB's or LB's lean. That's why I hate these idiotic systems. My preference was always more the Bruce Arians type systems. They are the hardest to defend, yet hardest to operate. West Coast systems are a lot easier, but you still can't be an idiot. Today's offenses are basically 'QB school's for dummies.' What I never knew until today's game, is announcers talked about how Stroud had been running timing based systems since high school. Our GM should have noted that because that would have really made me want the kid. I liked him last year, but I'd never heard that in the combine news. I talked about this a lot in past QB threads, about how spending years learning fundamental matters so much in QB development. I'm a lot more convinced Stroud is going to be good for a long time now. The Texans trades look a lot better in hindsight. So, you talk about a QB being smart. Do you not think that Murray is smart? Was he smart when he went 7-0 not long ago? What is the difference between that season and now? Capable WR's? Today we had Hollywood, Moore and Dortch as our WR Corp. Tell me how Moore and Dortch are above average? Michael Wilson is more than likely better than both of them, but he did not play today. Give me a Marvin, and things change dramatically. Give me a true #1 CB and a better Pass Rusher and tell me we are not a much better team. Murray is barely in his second game after being out one year. His presence will be felt in the rest of our games. Add an Alpha WR and a CB or Pass rusher above average or both...and we will win many more games. Are you wanting to replace Murray? How do you know that a rookie QB will not do worse than Murray? Sounds like you want us to take a QB in the draft next season. Is that what you want? I will agree with that if Murray doesn't do good the rest of the season. Why don't we wait till end of season to decide on that?
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Post by End Zone on Nov 19, 2023 15:54:29 GMT -7
SStroud was intercepted 3 times. That has not happened to him all season. What if we have a better defense next season? A pass rusher and a better #1 CB? That will not make a difference in our wins? Do you really think we would always lose with a player like Marvin? I'm just a fan of fixing the actual problem. Not covering it up. Marvin drastically improves our team. No one disputes that. But Stroud's best WR is Nico. Friggin Nico Collins. And Stroud is putting up great numbers this year with 2nd tier WR's. I actually want to draft WR's next year because it's a great class. We don't need Marvin though, there are lots of elite guys. I want to go best available and actually trade down since depth is so good. We have so many holes to fix. And the more depth we have, and cheaper depth, the more we can spend on someone like Chris Jones to play DL, or a stud CB. One of Stroud's INT's was on his WR. His other two WR's were him forcing the ball more than anything else. More him getting cute than anything. And Hamilton's INT was also just a great read on defense by Antonio Hamilton. Most our DBs can't jump routes. On many of Stroud's completions, it's less about our DB's being in bad spots, or playing poorly, and more Stroud just making fast reads then throwing to a spot before a WR breaks, which is what a good smart QB is supposed to do. When you do that no DB except guys like Deon can jump those throws. That's the big difference between smart QBs and QBs who aren't smart yet have big arms. The latter waits for a guy to come open then thinks his electric arm will always beat the DB. That doesn't work when you have good DBs who can recover. Smart QB's 'throw their guys open' by knowing exactly where the WR will be before the break is made, and they throw to a spot just before the WR makes the break. Kyler's not that type of QB. Most of today's QB's aren't because they never played in systems that required precise timing. Most of today's QB's run zone read systems where they watch to see what one defender does then if he does A they throw B. If he does B they throw A. In essence, they sometimes guess, often guessing wrong because maybe they misinterpret a DB's or LB's lean. That's why I hate these idiotic systems. My preference was always more the Bruce Arians type systems. They are the hardest to defend, yet hardest to operate. West Coast systems are a lot easier, but you still can't be an idiot. Today's offenses are basically 'QB school's for dummies.' What I never knew until today's game, is announcers talked about how Stroud had been running timing based systems since high school. Our GM should have noted that because that would have really made me want the kid. I liked him last year, but I'd never heard that in the combine news. I talked about this a lot in past QB threads, about how spending years learning fundamental matters so much in QB development. I'm a lot more convinced Stroud is going to be good for a long time now. The Texans trades look a lot better in hindsight. I heard that same comment about Stroud being exposed to route timing systems early in his life and using them at OSU and now HOU. Timing was showcased multiple times today. We see that same timing behavior with some of the NFL's better QBs. It's not a behavior shared by all of them but the ones that use it are all really good QBs. Warner had it really good. Carson had it some days. Murray had it on one pass today, the one Brown caught on the sideline. That's a bread and butter pass for any pro QB, yet, we saw Murray make just one highlight pass like that today. It is clear to me that Murray throws mostly to an X on the field. The plays are designed to help him with the geometry and WR anticipation. That explains why some receivers stop running and wait. The scout's job is to dig into a prospects development. I never had much faith in Cardinals scouts. Scouting has improved in the last 20 years, but still falls short of culling out chunks of coal from the few diamonds. 2023's scouts showed real promise!
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Post by knobby on Nov 19, 2023 16:01:08 GMT -7
Isaiah Simmons just got a pick-6 for the Giants to clinch the win for the 2 win Giants over Washington. Might be the biggest play he’s ever had for us! The good in the NFL today -
- Giants Win -- this sets up next week colossal "game of the year" between the Pats vs. Giants. One of the few times I will be rooting hard for the Pats!!
- Green Bay Win
- Titans LOSS
- Greg Dortch - leading receiver today for the Cardinals while the other 2 short WR's had 3 catches total.
- Defense overcame loss of Fotu/Kyzir White and performed well in the 2nd half.
The Bad -
- Bears had a 2 score lead in middle of 4th qtr and found a way to lose.
- Fotu was having a very good game and was injured.
- Hollywood Brown - 2 catches for 18 yds ... his FA price is beginning to plummet !!
- Petzing/KM1 -- went backwards today
Please note that 2 days ago I stated the Texans were ripe for an upset as teams who become meteoric darlings (Stroud had interview this past week to air on both the CBS and ESPN Pre-Game shows) end up falling flat.
Dortch has been a clutch receiver for us since he was picked up. Why the new coaches cannot
or will not pay attention to last year's films and play him more in that role is a head-scratcher.
Instead he has become cannon fodder as a ST return man. Will today's performance change that? We'll see.
And Petzing is STILL not covering his mouth/face when calling in plays. Total failure on the part of JG and MO. I'm not saying he is giving away plays, but it is entirely possible for any lip reader to pass along what they see him saying, and would help explain why it seems some plays are dead before they begin. That's elementary for any play caller to learn NOT to do when they are on the sideline and in plain view of cameras and anyone with binoculars and a reason to want to know what's coming next.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Nov 19, 2023 16:06:01 GMT -7
I talked about this a lot in past QB threads, about how spending years learning fundamental matters so much in QB development. I'm a lot more convinced Stroud is going to be good for a long time now. The Texans trades look a lot better in hindsight. So, you talk about a QB being smart. Do you not think that Murray is smart? Was he smart when he went 7-0 not long ago? What is the difference between that season and now? Capable WR's? Today we had Hollywood, Moore and Dortch as our WR Corp. Tell me how Moore and Dortch are above average? Michael Wilson is more than likely better than both of them, but he did not play today. Give me a Marvin, and things change dramatically. Give me a true #1 CB and a better Pass Rusher and tell me we are not a much better team. Murray is barely in his second game after being out one year. His presence will be felt in the rest of our games. Add an Alpha WR and a CB or Pass rusher above average or both...and we will win many more games. Are you wanting to replace Murray? How do you know that a rookie QB will not do worse than Murray? Sounds like you want us to take a QB in the draft next season. Is that what you want? I will agree with that if Murray doesn't do good the rest of the season. Why don't we wait till end of season to decide on that? I posted plenty of post game film highlighting Murray's bad reads earlier in his career. Not just tape, but quotes from KK. Murray often threw to covered WR's in the past, even when he had wide open WR's. It drove me nuts how often he missed open TE's. Part of that is because he didn't care if our stud WR was covered. But when we lost the stud, Murray would still throw to Wesley when he was double covered. (talking about that same season) So no, I don't think he's football smart. I was criticized in the beginning pointing this out but after playing QB and DB I saw it early on. As I told folks before, I played with/against guys like Drew Brees, Manning, etc... I know how to watch tape. We can agree to disagree and I'll respect your opinions. Let me tell you why I don't think it's the WR's. If anything, WR was a bigger issue last year. There are analytics that highlight this. If it's the WR's fault there are two things to look for. 1. Running wrong routes 2. Running correct routes but failing to get separation Kyler's WR's didn't get a ton of separation the year before last. If you look at today's game, the issue isn't lack of separation or bad routes. I think that's why a lot of us are peaved. Today there were WR's running open that were under thrown. (Hollywood twice). Three passes were batted down. Those were 100% Kyler and something he's always had an issue with. Other throws, mostly to the middle of the field, were intermediate throws where he threw behind the TE. Intermediate throws have always been Kyler's worst throws from what I recall. He's best in the long game (in the past) and second best at short game. Do you know why I want him to learn under center playaction so much? Because it plays to his strengths. Kyler used to have a cannon. He was one of the most accurate deep ball passers. So if he can learn to run an Arians type system, he should pile up the stats, especially with guys like Hollywood. No. I don't want to replace Murray right now. Despite me long thinking he's not bright, and not thinking he's the answer, we have to give him a chance to improve and finish out the season. Because I don't want to waste more capital on another QB. I don't. I don't like rookie QBs. Guys like Stroud are exceptions. I believe in building through the draft and finding a smart Veteran who can manage games. The same thing the Rams did when they got Stafford. What we did getting Warner and Carson. I don't want to suffer three years of 'hoping' some kid off the street will learn. Most don't. QB is the most important position on the team, so I want zero question marks there.
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Post by knobby on Nov 19, 2023 16:09:56 GMT -7
It’s painfully obvious he doesn’t watch film. Or if he does, it isn't being processed by his brain/memory.
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Post by aris on Nov 19, 2023 16:13:46 GMT -7
I said last week dont get too excited about KM''s performance although it's "encouraging"
I was told to be more positive. LOL.
Some things will never change with this guy.
He will not get any taller. plenty of batted balls.
He will win looking like a video game QB. It's his DNA.
He still has too many wobbly thrown balls or underthrown. Even on that big throw to McBride at end of Falcons game, that was a drastically underthrown ball.
I still have big time doubts he can progress into a star NFL QB.
Many QB's have had flashes. He's flashed at the beginning, got his contract.
Now what......
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Post by flash on Nov 19, 2023 16:14:32 GMT -7
So, you talk about a QB being smart. Do you not think that Murray is smart? Was he smart when he went 7-0 not long ago? What is the difference between that season and now? Capable WR's? Today we had Hollywood, Moore and Dortch as our WR Corp. Tell me how Moore and Dortch are above average? Michael Wilson is more than likely better than both of them, but he did not play today. Give me a Marvin, and things change dramatically. Give me a true #1 CB and a better Pass Rusher and tell me we are not a much better team. Murray is barely in his second game after being out one year. His presence will be felt in the rest of our games. Add an Alpha WR and a CB or Pass rusher above average or both...and we will win many more games. Are you wanting to replace Murray? How do you know that a rookie QB will not do worse than Murray? Sounds like you want us to take a QB in the draft next season. Is that what you want? I will agree with that if Murray doesn't do good the rest of the season. Why don't we wait till end of season to decide on that? I posted plenty of post game film highlighting Murray's bad reads earlier in his career. Not just tape, but quotes from KK. Murray often threw to covered WR's in the past, even when he had wide open WR's. It drove me nuts how often he missed open TE's. Part of that is because he didn't care if our stud WR was covered. But when we lost the stud, Murray would still throw to Wesley when he was double covered. (talking about that same season) So no, I don't think he's football smart. I was criticized in the beginning pointing this out but after playing QB and DB I saw it early on. As I told folks before, I played with/against guys like Drew Brees, Manning, etc... I know how to watch tape. We can agree to disagree and I'll respect your opinions. Let me tell you why I don't think it's the WR's. If anything, WR was a bigger issue last year. There are analytics that highlight this. If it's the WR's fault there are two things to look for. 1. Running wrong routes 2. Running correct routes but failing to get separation Kyler's WR's didn't get a ton of separation the year before last. If you look at today's game, the issue isn't lack of separation or bad routes. I think that's why a lot of us are peaved. Today there were WR's running open that were under thrown. (Hollywood twice). Three passes were batted down. Those were 100% Kyler and something he's always had an issue with. Other throws, mostly to the middle of the field, were intermediate throws where he threw behind the TE. Intermediate throws have always been Kyler's worst throws from what I recall. He's best in the long game (in the past) and second best at short game. Do you know why I want him to learn under center playaction so much? Because it plays to his strengths. Kyler used to have a cannon. He was one of the most accurate deep ball passers. So if he can learn to run an Arians type system, he should pile up the stats, especially with guys like Hollywood. No. I don't want to replace Murray right now. Despite me long thinking he's not bright, and not thinking he's the answer, we have to give him a chance to improve and finish out the season. Because I don't want to waste more capital on another QB. I don't. I don't like rookie QBs. Guys like Stroud are exceptions. I believe in building through the draft and finding a smart Veteran who can manage games. The same thing the Rams did when they got Stafford. What we did getting Warner and Carson. I don't want to suffer three years of 'hoping' some kid off the street will learn. Most don't. QB is the most important position on the team, so I want zero question marks there. You say you don't want to replace Murray. So, what is the point of your post? Do you want to replace him or not. I think it is too early to make that determination until we watch him play the rest of the games left in the season. Everything you say that is bad about Murray, may be true, but we have to see how he plays in this offense with a new coaching staff and a new playbook.
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Post by flash on Nov 19, 2023 16:17:26 GMT -7
I said last week dont get too excited about KM''s performance although it's "encouraging" I was told to be more positive. LOL. Some things will never change with this guy. He will not get any taller. plenty of batted balls.He will win looking like a video game QB. It's his DNA. He still has too many wobbly thrown balls or underthrown. Even on that big throw to McBride at end of Falcons game, that was a drastically underthrown ball. I still have big time doubts he can progress into a star NFL QB. Many QB's have had flashes. He's flashed at the beginning, got his contract. Now what...... He has had that problem since he has been here. But he has been great more times than not regardless. When you mention about video game....that really has nothing to do with on field performance....well...maybe you think it does...
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Post by CardSunsCard on Nov 19, 2023 16:24:30 GMT -7
You say you don't want to replace Murray. So, what is the point of your post? Do you want to replace him or not. I think it is too early to make that determination until we watch him play the rest of the games left in the season. Everything you say that is bad about Murray, may be true, but we have to see how he plays in this offense with a new coaching staff and a new playbook. Thinking we will need to replace him, and WANTING to replace him are different. I don't want to, because I bleed red and my emotions want him to win, despite me not believing he can be our long term answer. I just don't see value in replacing him the rest of season. We are stuck. My original hope, despite thinking he wasn't a good fit for our system, which he's proving, is that he'd up his trade value. That isn't happening. So while I know he's not a good fit, proven today by announcers admitting we can't run what coach wants to run, I just don't see an option yet so I'm in wait and see mode. Will there be a Veteran available that I want that's priced right? Idk. Will a draft pick come available that's priced right that won't require us reaching? Idk. Coaches were looking at Nix early in the season and I thought it's because he was a system fit. I think they thought, like me, that we could get him in the 3rd round. Then he played himself into the second round. Now he looks like a first round lock. I'm not 100% sold on any of next year's QB's despite knowing it's a strong class. I think Nix is clearly the best fit, but do I want to spend my first pick on the kid? No. That may change if he wills them to a national championship and wins in the playoffs. I feel totally screwed at moment, but I thought we'd at least be able to trade Murray then if Nix continued improving, be able to package Murray's picks for our new QB without having to use our first two picks. That's a pipe dream the way Murray is playing.
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Post by aris on Nov 19, 2023 16:25:41 GMT -7
I said last week dont get too excited about KM''s performance although it's "encouraging" I was told to be more positive. LOL. Some things will never change with this guy. He will not get any taller. plenty of batted balls.He will win looking like a video game QB. It's his DNA. He still has too many wobbly thrown balls or underthrown. Even on that big throw to McBride at end of Falcons game, that was a drastically underthrown ball. I still have big time doubts he can progress into a star NFL QB. Many QB's have had flashes. He's flashed at the beginning, got his contract. Now what...... He has had that problem since he has been here. But he has been great more times than not regardless. When you mention about video game....that really has nothing to do with on field performance....well...maybe you think it does... I said he plays great when he looks like he's in a video game format making the zig zag runs all over the place. That's not sustainable for a great NFL QB. He needs to be able to progress through reads and throw good balls consistently . Otherwise he will be hurt again and out of the game. Defenses have largely figured out how to defend him. How will he adjust? Needs more study time not video game time. Maybe a study clause in his contract would have been a good idea. LOL
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Post by flash on Nov 19, 2023 16:28:10 GMT -7
He has had that problem since he has been here. But he has been great more times than not regardless. When you mention about video game....that really has nothing to do with on field performance....well...maybe you think it does... I said he plays great when he looks like he's in a video game format making the zig zag runs all over the place. That's not sustainable for a great NFL QB. He needs to be able to progress through reads and throw good balls consistently . Otherwise he will be hurt again and out of the game. Defenses have largely figured out how to defend him. How will he adjust? Needs more study time not video game time. Maybe a study clause in his contract would have been a good idea. LOL So you know for a fact that his study time is less than his video time? Prove it.
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Post by flash on Nov 19, 2023 16:32:00 GMT -7
You say you don't want to replace Murray. So, what is the point of your post? Do you want to replace him or not. I think it is too early to make that determination until we watch him play the rest of the games left in the season. Everything you say that is bad about Murray, may be true, but we have to see how he plays in this offense with a new coaching staff and a new playbook. Thinking we will need to replace him, and WANTING to replace him are different. I don't want to, because I bleed red and my emotions want him to win, despite me not believing he can be our long term answer. I just don't see value in replacing him the rest of season. We are stuck. My original hope, despite thinking he wasn't a good fit for our system, which he's proving, is that he'd up his trade value. That isn't happening. So while I know he's not a good fit, proven today by announcers admitting we can't run what coach wants to run, I just don't see an option yet so I'm in wait and see mode. Will there be a Veteran available that I want that's priced right? Idk. Will a draft pick come available that's priced right that won't require us reaching? Idk. Coaches were looking at Nix early in the season and I thought it's because he was a system fit. I think they thought, like me, that we could get him in the 3rd round. Then he played himself into the second round. Now he looks like a first round lock. I'm not 100% sold on any of next year's QB's despite knowing it's a strong class. I think Nix is clearly the best fit, but do I want to spend my first pick on the kid? No. That may change if he wills them to a national championship and wins in the playoffs. I feel totally screwed at moment, but I thought we'd at least be able to trade Murray then if Nix continued improving, be able to package Murray's picks for our new QB without having to use our first two picks. That's a pipe dream the way Murray is playing. You are saying that what announcers say are proof to support your argument? That is weak. You say he is not a good fit? It is his second game. That is a premature statement.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Nov 19, 2023 16:54:05 GMT -7
Thinking we will need to replace him, and WANTING to replace him are different. I don't want to, because I bleed red and my emotions want him to win, despite me not believing he can be our long term answer. I just don't see value in replacing him the rest of season. We are stuck. My original hope, despite thinking he wasn't a good fit for our system, which he's proving, is that he'd up his trade value. That isn't happening. So while I know he's not a good fit, proven today by announcers admitting we can't run what coach wants to run, I just don't see an option yet so I'm in wait and see mode. Will there be a Veteran available that I want that's priced right? Idk. Will a draft pick come available that's priced right that won't require us reaching? Idk. Coaches were looking at Nix early in the season and I thought it's because he was a system fit. I think they thought, like me, that we could get him in the 3rd round. Then he played himself into the second round. Now he looks like a first round lock. I'm not 100% sold on any of next year's QB's despite knowing it's a strong class. I think Nix is clearly the best fit, but do I want to spend my first pick on the kid? No. That may change if he wills them to a national championship and wins in the playoffs. I feel totally screwed at moment, but I thought we'd at least be able to trade Murray then if Nix continued improving, be able to package Murray's picks for our new QB without having to use our first two picks. That's a pipe dream the way Murray is playing. You are saying that what announcers say are proof to support your argument? That is weak. You say he is not a good fit? It is his second game. That is a premature statement. If the announcers aren't lying, and coach is basically not running our offense, because Kyler can't run it, how is that weak? The kid was practicing before he was ever back on the field. For what, an extra two weeks. He also had the entire offseason to study it on his iPad. They never explained why he can't do it so we are all left to guess. Maybe they will never tell us. Maybe he's too dumb to process the reads so they are dumbing down the playbook the same way Texas had to do with Vince Young because despite Young's phenomenal running ability, he couldn't ever process more than two reads before he had to run. I do know the coach's wouldn't tell of if he's too dumb, even if he is, because it would crater his trade value. So maybe coach has made up his mind as his goal is to get Kyler comfortable running what he does best, knowing it's meaningless this year, so he can improve his trade stock. Don't you think if he was the answer, coach would actually run what coach wants to run vs. resorting to KK like play calls? It has nothing to do with it being his second game back. Dobbs came in right away and learned to execute coach's offense. We didn't have to change back to a KK type system to accomodate him. You don't see what happened today as a huge red flag? This wasn't my observation. Lots of board members, even Kyler supporters questioned the formation usage. We aren't playing to get to the playoffs this year. We are trying to see who cuts the mustard. I think if they had confidence in Kyler, they'd keep letting him execute the offense coach actually wants to run You often cite his 7-0 start as proof he's got it. Well, how do you explain his implosion? The late season fade. His abysmal playoff play. The moment NFL teams started doing what they should have done just forcing him to sit in the pocket and stay in their rush lanes, Kyler never did anything against any of the teams that stayed disciplined. That's why he's got to learn to play a different style of football
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