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Post by End Zone on Apr 15, 2024 14:56:25 GMT -7
northernsoul; along with Olu Fashanu, he and Newton were my two favorite prospects from the college season. Jer'Zhan has been touted all over the place in the first round and I think his foot injury, which led to him missing the combine, might have something to do with this. - Initially, I didn't think Newton would be available anywhere near the back end of Round 1, but he could well be. - If he is available #27 then I agree, lets draft him! Just did a mock after responding to you, attempting to secure Newton. I did a trade back offered by the Giants for #6 and #47. San Diego did not take MHJ, so I took him (I figured most would, I’d consider a small trade down again and hope to land Odunze. Results: #6 MHJ #27 DL Newton #35 Edge Darius Robinson #47 WR Legette…no good CB’s there and I couldn’t resist #66 CB Lassiter…not sold on him but wanted to stick to script somewhat #71 DT Hall…value, couldn’t resist, and had a plan for Guard later #90 T/G Kiran Amegadjie. Was injured but an absolute beast, and from Yale so one would assume smart, with position flexibility. Got my guard and this guy has longer term tackle possibility too. #104 RB Braellen Allen, young Wisconsin stud RB to be our future after Conner. #138 3rd WR pick, couldn’t resist, B. Rice. We got Harrison Jr and Rice’s kid! Plus Leggette! #162 TE Wiley. Tall pass catching TE. Kyler has no excuses when it comes to tall weapons anymore #186 and 226 a center prospect and big edge prospect I know nothing about. 4 of first 6 picks solidify the defense, but the offense also gets all we could ask for. Nice haul, DH! MO will have to break some vet hearts next Aug/Sep when the final cuts happen.
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Post by End Zone on Apr 15, 2024 14:58:14 GMT -7
It sounds strange to some, but MHJ will be at Detroit for the Draft. He missed every NFL-hosted event this past winter and spring. MHJ's dad is behind the scenes, stage managing his son. This is a good pick if that's the guy MO wants in 10 days.
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 15, 2024 16:38:35 GMT -7
Just did a mock after responding to you, attempting to secure Newton. I did a trade back offered by the Giants for #6 and #47. San Diego did not take MHJ, so I took him (I figured most would, I’d consider a small trade down again and hope to land Odunze. Results: #6 MHJ #27 DL Newton #35 Edge Darius Robinson #47 WR Legette…no good CB’s there and I couldn’t resist #66 CB Lassiter…not sold on him but wanted to stick to script somewhat #71 DT Hall…value, couldn’t resist, and had a plan for Guard later #90 T/G Kiran Amegadjie. Was injured but an absolute beast, and from Yale so one would assume smart, with position flexibility. Got my guard and this guy has longer term tackle possibility too. #104 RB Braellen Allen, young Wisconsin stud RB to be our future after Conner. #138 3rd WR pick, couldn’t resist, B. Rice. We got Harrison Jr and Rice’s kid! Plus Leggette! #162 TE Wiley. Tall pass catching TE. Kyler has no excuses when it comes to tall weapons anymore #186 and 226 a center prospect and big edge prospect I know nothing about. 4 of first 6 picks solidify the defense, but the offense also gets all we could ask for. Nice haul, DH! MO will have to break some vet hearts next Aug/Sep when the final cuts happen. I only got #6 and #47 for #4, but then ended up with MHJ and Leggette. I’d take that!
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Post by cardinalsins on Apr 15, 2024 16:50:28 GMT -7
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Post by cardinalsins on Apr 15, 2024 17:45:38 GMT -7
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Post by devongent on Apr 16, 2024 4:57:03 GMT -7
I’ve noticed the only interior Oline guy we’ve brought in was Turner III, a day three pick center prospect. I also note that today Gannon said Gaines rehab has gone well. I’m wondering if they feel Gaines is the answer for the interior Oline missing piece? Would be nice DH if Gaines proved to be the answer. We, of course, don't know what's happening backstage. Here's a thought for you; the FO have met with both Olu Fashanu and JC Latham. It could be that we are looking to 'cover all bases' (in case of a variety of outcomes), but I did read somewhere about Jonah Williams feeling comfortable playing wherever he is asked. - It is not beyond the bounds of possibilities that Williams could move inside to play at Left Guard and we draft a top-link Tackle. - I certainly don't expect this outcome, but just sayin'.......
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Post by End Zone on Apr 16, 2024 5:48:09 GMT -7
Nice haul, DH! MO will have to break some vet hearts next Aug/Sep when the final cuts happen. I only got #6 and #47 for #4, but then ended up with MHJ and Leggette. I’d take that! Me too. I was listening to a talking head last night and he opined that the Cardinals can get Odunze and Leggette without moving past #6. That idea gives MO some WRs and leverage to go after a premier DL/Edge a few spots later.
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 16, 2024 17:33:23 GMT -7
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Post by thomas cat on Apr 16, 2024 20:00:24 GMT -7
This is just me, but I'm almost tired of thinking about all of the possibilities when draft day happens. It's starting to make my head hurt. I need this draft to happen soon for my sanity....lol. I want one of the top three WR's....and I think that will happen. The question is who and how that will happen. Play it safe and draft MHJ at #4 or trade down and get one of the top three plus one or two more premium picks. You and maybe a few others, not to mention some pundits per your link have convinced me Odunze may be just as good if not better. Who is right and who is wrong cannot be determined at this time. Going from college to pro is always fraught with things that cannot be predicted. Some that are thought to be a sure thing fails, while others rise above expectations. Hell, one of the guys not even in the top three may end up being the best. Before anyone flames me, I get it, the higher rated you are, the better chance at success. Still, the differences in the top 3 WR's seems to be small. For me, trade down. Get Odunze and one or two other stud possibilities. I just want this draft thing to happen. Then we can argue all we want if we did well or not. This draft day will be the most exciting thing between now and opening day.....lets enjoy it...
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Apr 17, 2024 1:31:22 GMT -7
I only got #6 and #47 for #4, but then ended up with MHJ and Leggette. I’d take that! Me too. I was listening to a talking head last night and he opined that the Cardinals can get Odunze and Leggette without moving past #6. That idea gives MO some WRs and leverage to go after a premier DL/Edge a few spots later. I'm going to beat the dead horse some more. Of course it's very clear that the Cardinals are desperate for a number one receiver. I am surprised that the lack of interest here in the Cardinals drafting the top interior offensive lineman with their second first round pick. And my humble opinion with the number one receiver position filled the next most important priority on the roster is left guard.
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Post by End Zone on Apr 17, 2024 3:16:54 GMT -7
Me too. I was listening to a talking head last night and he opined that the Cardinals can get Odunze and Leggette without moving past #6. That idea gives MO some WRs and leverage to go after a premier DL/Edge a few spots later. I'm going to beat the dead horse some more. Of course it's very clear that the Cardinals are desperate for a number one receiver. I am surprised that the lack of interest here in the Cardinals drafting the top interior offensive lineman with their second first round pick. And my humble opinion with the number one receiver position filled the next most important priority on the roster is left guard. I tend to agree. The Cardinals glaring need for years was a great OL/DL. We sucked at linemen due to the personnel guys hating spending high draft picks on high-quality linemen! That was so boring! Monti Ossenfort embraced boredom in 2023 by drafting OL Paris Johnson. Grabbing a stud OL/DL at #27 at this Draft makes sense because the OL/DL building job is not done yet. Q: is that job ever done? The Forum mock draft polls do recommend taking a lineman in Round 1. OL Joe Alt 6'8" and 322 lbs topped our polls. WR Harrison came in 2nd. OL Fashanu came in 3rd.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Apr 17, 2024 4:37:47 GMT -7
Recently Odunze's odds getting selected at #6 have increased ... the NY Giants/Cardinals trade speculation seems to be heating up. Of the Big 3, I believe Odunze's visit to the Cardinals was the last of these three (3). Apparently Odunze really impressed the Cardinals brass and though they love MHJ, it appears Odunze has risen to be just a "hair" behind the Ohio State product. Cardinal fans - the trade speculation with the Vikings has seemingly cooled greatly and many on this forum love the idea for awhile of trading with the Giants instead. The Vikings even if they gave up 3 first rounders ... #11 is out of the range of the ELITE in this draft and the Vikings are good enough that a 2025 1st rounder would probably result in the Cards picking around #20. However the Giants 2nd rounder in 2024 (#47) and a 2025 2nd rounder would give the Cards the potential next year to get a top 40 - 45 pick next year with the Giants 2nd rounder. My dream scenario for 2024 draft is: 1) Giants trade up to #4 and give up #47 & 2025 2nd & 5th rounder ... Harbaugh goes either Nabers/Alt and Monti gets MHJ anyway. 2) Raiders appear to now want Penix but as the Hot News story suggests - will they pull the trigger at #13 or because of the huge need they have at OT, go ahead and get one of the top OT's @ #13 and then trade back up into 1st round (maybe with Monti at #27) to get Penix? A Monti trade down would get the Cards the Raiders 2nd rounder at #44 and a 2025 2nd round pick next year. This trade capital is almost EXACTLY is what the Ravens provided in a trade with the Eagles to move up into 1st rounder and draft Lamar Jackson in 2018. Hot Press - Raiders looking to draft PenixThe above would mean the Cards would have #6, #35, #44, #47, #66, #71, #90 or seven of the top 90 picks in this draft and now have THREE (3) 2025 2nd rounders in a draft which will have more defensive talent than this years draft ... AND they still got MHJ though Odunze at #6 would be acceptable but above is my dream scenario at I'd rather have MHJ. P.S. If the Raiders get Penix and the Broncos get Bo Nix ... where the heck does that leave the Vikings ?
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Post by belac44 on Apr 17, 2024 6:22:31 GMT -7
Me too. I was listening to a talking head last night and he opined that the Cardinals can get Odunze and Leggette without moving past #6. That idea gives MO some WRs and leverage to go after a premier DL/Edge a few spots later. I'm going to beat the dead horse some more. Of course it's very clear that the Cardinals are desperate for a number one receiver. I am surprised that the lack of interest here in the Cardinals drafting the top interior offensive lineman with their second first round pick. And my humble opinion with the number one receiver position filled the next most important priority on the roster is left guard. I am more than okay with grabbing interior oline at 27. I think that would be a great result. Need to see how things play out, but I’ve taken guys there often. Heck, I am even good with Jordan Morgan, who could start inside and eventually kick out to OT.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Apr 17, 2024 7:21:34 GMT -7
I'm going to beat the dead horse some more. Of course it's very clear that the Cardinals are desperate for a number one receiver. I am surprised that the lack of interest here in the Cardinals drafting the top interior offensive lineman with their second first round pick. And my humble opinion with the number one receiver position filled the next most important priority on the roster is left guard. I am more than okay with grabbing interior oline at 27. I think that would be a great result. Need to see how things play out, but I’ve taken guys there often. Heck, I am even good with Jordan Morgan, who could start inside and eventually kick out to OT. Raiders &/or the Vikings could very well want to trade back up into first round and since the Bills/Chiefs are desperate to get WR's probably will not trade down but Monti is in good position at #27 for trade. As suggested in my post - "Trader-Monti" could get the Cards - #6, #35, #44, #47, #66, #71, #90 #6 - Odunze or even MHJ depending on Chargers #35 - Newton/Darius Robinson/Chop Robinson or Latu (could fall due to medical) #44 - Kris Jenkins (depending on #35 above)/Jordan Morgan/Graham Barton/Ennis Rakestraw #47 - Cooper Beebe (Brian Baldinger's favorite IOL)/WR Pearsall - Florida From the above, best case: #6 - MHJ #35 - Latu Edge #44 - Kris Jenkins DL #47 - Cooper Beebe - Guard with the three (3rd rounders) - WR Polk/CB's Melton & Cam Hart
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Post by belac44 on Apr 17, 2024 10:26:23 GMT -7
I am more than okay with grabbing interior oline at 27. I think that would be a great result. Need to see how things play out, but I’ve taken guys there often. Heck, I am even good with Jordan Morgan, who could start inside and eventually kick out to OT. Raiders &/or the Vikings could very well want to trade back up into first round and since the Bills/Chiefs are desperate to get WR's probably will not trade down but Monti is in good position at #27 for trade. As suggested in my post - "Trader-Monti" could get the Cards - #6, #35, #44, #47, #66, #71, #90 #6 - Odunze or even MHJ depending on Chargers #35 - Newton/Darius Robinson/Chop Robinson or Latu (could fall due to medical) #44 - Kris Jenkins (depending on #35 above)/Jordan Morgan/Graham Barton/Ennis Rakestraw #47 - Cooper Beebe (Brian Baldinger's favorite IOL)/WR Pearsall - Florida From the above, best case: #6 - MHJ #35 - Latu Edge #44 - Kris Jenkins DL #47 - Cooper Beebe - Guard with the three (3rd rounders) - WR Polk/CB's Melton & Cam Hart I like the names, but not sure if I am dropping from 27 to 44 for just a second. As I know how painful it will be to watch names fly off the board in the second round, that part is appealing to be in the mix, but I would have to think long and hard about that.. This draft might have more scenarios that I am good with than any other year. So many different routes they can take that could work out and so many players that would work. I guess thats how it goes when you need just about everything. The availability of some of those guys at those spots is in question too. Like Beebe a lot and I know many others on the board do too. Graham Barton has grown on me a ton and he could go first round for sure and 27 might be the only chance to snag him. At 35 I would pounce.
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