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Post by flash on Apr 7, 2024 13:46:21 GMT -7
What do you think about this Mock Draft?
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Apr 8, 2024 3:59:12 GMT -7
What do you think about this Mock Draft?
everyone's entitled to have their own opinion but I do not like this. I would much prefer taking the best interior offensive lineman it's spot number 27 then a second receiver. |
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Post by CardsFanQC on Apr 8, 2024 10:42:31 GMT -7
Giants want to trade up to #3 for Drake MayeThis news story seems like a Giant-planted story to warn Monti that they are interested in Drake Maye and not JJ McCarthy ... so a trade with Pats might happen but appears to be subterfuge in lowering Monti's demand to trade down to #6.
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Post by flash on Apr 13, 2024 7:44:30 GMT -7
Here are the WR's we have drafted in the past 10 years.
2023
Michael Wilson #94
2022
None
2021
Rondale Moore #49
2020
None
2019
Andy Isabella #62
Hakeem Butler #103
KeeSean Johnson #174
2018
Christian Kirk #47
2017
Chad Williams #98
2016
None
2015
JJ Nelson #159
2014
John Brown #91
Walt Powell #196
How many of those draft picks panned out? Only one did, his name was Kirk. Not a single WR was drafted in the first round in 10 years. How did that work out for us? I keep hearing how this draft is deep with WR talent. Do you know what WR in this draft can equal Kirk? How many projected to turn out good will turn out like Andy Isabella?
We have a chance to take the best WR in the draft and many want to pass on that to acquire more pics.
I did not include DeAndre and Hollywood because we did not draft them. If we trade for a WR that is the caliber of DeAndre, then I would be able to accept a trade down. Do you think Monti will do that, trade for a high caliber WR? I seriously doubt it.
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 13, 2024 9:31:22 GMT -7
Here are the WR's we have drafted in the past 10 years. 2023 Michael Wilson #94 2022 None 2021 Rondale Moore #49 2020 None 2019 Andy Isabella #62 Hakeem Butler #103 KeeSean Johnson #174 2018 Christian Kirk #47 2017 Chad Williams #98 2016 None 2015 JJ Nelson #159 2014 John Brown #91 Walt Powell #196 How many of those draft picks panned out? Only one did, his name was Kirk. Not a single WR was drafted in the first round in 10 years. How did that work out for us? I keep hearing how this draft is deep with WR talent. Do you know what WR in this draft can equal Kirk? How many projected to turn out good will turn out like Andy Isabella? We have a chance to take the best WR in the draft and many want to pass on that to acquire more pics. I did not include DeAndre and Hollywood because we did not draft them. If we trade for a WR that is the caliber of DeAndre, then I would be able to accept a trade down. Do you think Monti will do that, trade for a high caliber WR? I seriously doubt it. That 2019 three-fer always kills me. We definitely had need at WR and I remember not wanting to draft DK Metcalf in the early first round as some had projected him. But when he was amazingly still there at the pick we obtained for Josh I was sure we were going to nab him. Instead? Little Andy Isabella. Then Seattle takes Metcalf 2 picks later. Then two more guys who absolutely didn’t pan out. I just went back and looked at that draft. After of course landing Kyler with pick #1, we took Byron Murphy. A few picks later Deebo Samuel was taken. 18 picks later A.J. Brown was taken. Good grief! After our Andy Isabella pick, there was Metcalf but also Pro Bowl WR’s Deontae Johnson and Terry McLaurin available, taken 2 and 12 picks after Metcalf. Pro Bowl WR Mecile Hardman was taken in the second round before Isabella but after Murphy. The lesson? The WR talent was there. We just had very poor guys picking the talent. Say a little prayer that Monti is truly better at this draft stuff than Kiem, and this draft could load us with talent. |
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Post by cardinalsins on Apr 15, 2024 5:01:14 GMT -7
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Post by NorthernSoul on Apr 15, 2024 5:44:33 GMT -7
What do you think about this Mock Draft?
everyone's entitled to have their own opinion but I do not like this. I would much prefer taking the best interior offensive lineman it's spot number 27 then a second receiver. I am hoping Johnny Newton Illinois is taken with the Cards 2nd pick. The more I watched various players film, the more I kept going back to Newton's tape. I have seen him mentioned in the middle of the first, and in mock drafts, dropping to the second. So he could even be there with the Cards pick in the 2nd round. But I wouldn't want to risk someone else taking him. Conversely I have seen the Cards linked to Chop Robinson who I really don't want to see them draft him. He is the opposite of Newton. Newton has results on a large number of plays. Chop has all the measurables, but less actual production than players touted as 5th rounders. Maybe I am still remembering another D line draftee that never lived up to the potential Robert Nkemdiche. (For different reasons maybe, but I don't really care what the reason is for non production. So am crossing my fingers for Newton. |
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Post by CardsFanQC on Apr 15, 2024 6:06:09 GMT -7
everyone's entitled to have their own opinion but I do not like this. I would much prefer taking the best interior offensive lineman it's spot number 27 then a second receiver. I am hoping Johnny Newton Illinois is taken with the Cards 2nd pick. The more I watched various players film, the more I kept going back to Newton's tape. I have seen him mentioned in the middle of the first, and in mock drafts, dropping to the second. So he could even be there with the Cards pick in the 2nd round. But I wouldn't want to risk someone else taking him. Conversely I have seen the Cards linked to Chop Robinson who I really don't want to see them draft him. He is the opposite of Newton. Newton has results on a large number of plays. Chop has all the measurables, but less actual production than players touted as 5th rounders. Maybe I am still remembering another D line draftee that never lived up to the potential Robert Nkemdiche. (For different reasons maybe, but I don't really care what the reason is for non production. So am crossing my fingers for Newton. The DT's in order are Byron Murphy, J. Newton & Kris Jenkins. Chop Robinson is an Edge/Pass Rusher to different position. Here is my sleeper Edge player who ran a 3-cone faster than any Edge player ever and here is an article about maybe the Rams sniffing around - he had the production with 16 TFL's and 12 Sacks. Utah Edge Player - Could the Cards use #71 on Him ? |
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Post by End Zone on Apr 15, 2024 6:29:17 GMT -7
Here are the WR's we have drafted in the past 10 years. 2023 Michael Wilson #94 2022 None 2021 Rondale Moore #49 2020 None 2019 Andy Isabella #62 Hakeem Butler #103 KeeSean Johnson #174 2018 Christian Kirk #47 2017 Chad Williams #98 2016 None 2015 JJ Nelson #159 2014 John Brown #91 Walt Powell #196 How many of those draft picks panned out? Only one did, his name was Kirk. Not a single WR was drafted in the first round in 10 years. How did that work out for us? I keep hearing how this draft is deep with WR talent. Do you know what WR in this draft can equal Kirk? How many projected to turn out good will turn out like Andy Isabella? We have a chance to take the best WR in the draft and many want to pass on that to acquire more pics. I did not include DeAndre and Hollywood because we did not draft them. If we trade for a WR that is the caliber of DeAndre, then I would be able to accept a trade down. Do you think Monti will do that, trade for a high caliber WR? I seriously doubt it. Poor Steve Keim. He's still getting kicked around by Forum members. Didn't he 'retire' due to 'health' reasons? Thus, shouldn't we give SK space and time to heal? Keim's hands were always involved with team personnel. He was hired in 1999, and then showed promise with some player evaluations that panned out. That run of bonehead luck and MB's trust earned SK the GM job in 2013. But from then to SK's burnout in early 2023, he was exposed as a fraud. Time and again the GM made bad players decisions. Sadly, WR Isabella and WR Moore selections did not seal SK's fate as GM. It was the off-field stuff that got SK in deep doodoo. WR Wilson was picked by GM Monti Ossenfort. I like the kid's physicality and intelligence. He's growing up fast. With an Pro Bowl QB on the other end of passes, Wilson will steady improve his game. Does Wilson prove that MO is a good evaluator of WR talent? Frankly, the jury is still out on both Wilson and MO. Let's see how MO does in the next 10-12 days. Then re-vote. By day 13 (April 29th) when all is said and done at Detroit (Draft venue 2024), we will know who our GM really is--a master GM, or an SK retread. I have confidence in MO to avoid the guesswork that spoiled SK's player evaluations. SK was intent on mirroring successful GMs. But SK couldn't pull off the trick. MO did okay with personnel selections in 2023. I must give him the benefit of doubt through the final roster September 2024. Lastly, about trading down in the 1st Round. If a #1 WR is what MO wants, he's got to be careful with that #4 pick. There is never a guarantee with any rookie. We do know there is more than one #1 WR in the 2024 draft. WR Harrison is topshelf. Who is the next #1? Maybe that's the right answer for the Cardinals if a trade scenario for #4 becomes reality. I still like the #6 Giants spot as backup. |
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Post by devongent on Apr 15, 2024 9:39:02 GMT -7
I am hoping Johnny Newton Illinois is taken with the Cards 2nd pick. The more I watched various players film, the more I kept going back to Newton's tape. northernsoul; along with Olu Fashanu, he and Newton were my two favorite prospects from the college season. Jer'Zhan has been touted all over the place in the first round and I think his foot injury, which led to him missing the combine, might have something to do with this. - Initially, I didn't think Newton would be available anywhere near the back end of Round 1, but he could well be. - If he is available #27 then I agree, lets draft him! |
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 15, 2024 11:06:05 GMT -7
I am hoping Johnny Newton Illinois is taken with the Cards 2nd pick. The more I watched various players film, the more I kept going back to Newton's tape. northernsoul; along with Olu Fashanu, he and Newton were my two favorite prospects from the college season. Jer'Zhan has been touted all over the place in the first round and I think his foot injury, which led to him missing the combine, might have something to do with this. - Initially, I didn't think Newton would be available anywhere near the back end of Round 1, but he could well be. - If he is available #27 then I agree, lets draft him! Agree. If we do end up with 3 picks in the 1st round, then along with our #35 I hope we hit on WR1, one of the top Dline guys (and Newton would be great), an Edge, and a corner. LG in the 3rd as well as another WR. |
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 15, 2024 11:30:13 GMT -7
I am hoping Johnny Newton Illinois is taken with the Cards 2nd pick. The more I watched various players film, the more I kept going back to Newton's tape. northernsoul; along with Olu Fashanu, he and Newton were my two favorite prospects from the college season. Jer'Zhan has been touted all over the place in the first round and I think his foot injury, which led to him missing the combine, might have something to do with this. - Initially, I didn't think Newton would be available anywhere near the back end of Round 1, but he could well be. - If he is available #27 then I agree, lets draft him! Just did a mock after responding to you, attempting to secure Newton. I did a trade back offered by the Giants for #6 and #47. San Diego did not take MHJ, so I took him (I figured most would, I’d consider a small trade down again and hope to land Odunze. Results: #6 MHJ #27 DL Newton #35 Edge Darius Robinson #47 WR Legette…no good CB’s there and I couldn’t resist #66 CB Lassiter…not sold on him but wanted to stick to script somewhat #71 DT Hall…value, couldn’t resist, and had a plan for Guard later #90 T/G Kiran Amegadjie. Was injured but an absolute beast, and from Yale so one would assume smart, with position flexibility. Got my guard and this guy has longer term tackle possibility too. #104 RB Braellen Allen, young Wisconsin stud RB to be our future after Conner. #138 3rd WR pick, couldn’t resist, B. Rice. We got Harrison Jr and Rice’s kid! Plus Leggette! #162 TE Wiley. Tall pass catching TE. Kyler has no excuses when it comes to tall weapons anymore #186 and 226 a center prospect and big edge prospect I know nothing about. 4 of first 6 picks solidify the defense, but the offense also gets all we could ask for. |
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Post by devongent on Apr 15, 2024 13:02:33 GMT -7
Results: #6 MHJ #27 DL Newton #35 Edge Darius Robinson #47 WR Legette…no good CB’s there and I couldn’t resist #66 CB Lassiter…not sold on him but wanted to stick to script somewhat #71 DT Hall…value, couldn’t resist, and had a plan for Guard later #90 T/G Kiran Amegadjie. Was injured but an absolute beast, and from Yale so one would assume smart, with position flexibility. Got my guard and this guy has longer term tackle possibility too. #104 RB Braellen Allen, young Wisconsin stud RB to be our future after Conner. #138 3rd WR pick, couldn’t resist, B. Rice. We got Harrison Jr and Rice’s kid! Plus Leggette! #162 TE Wiley. Tall pass catching TE. Kyler has no excuses when it comes to tall weapons anymore #186 and 226 a center prospect and big edge prospect I know nothing about. 4 of first 6 picks solidify the defense, but the offense also gets all we could ask for. If Legette is there #47, then draft him for sure, but I doubt he will be an option here. My recommendation, to fill the Guard spot, would be Christian Haynes at this pick point. I can certainly see a Cornerback taken #35, but evidently this is dependent on who is available. |
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Post by cardinalsins on Apr 15, 2024 13:20:26 GMT -7
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 15, 2024 14:49:29 GMT -7
Results: #6 MHJ #27 DL Newton #35 Edge Darius Robinson #47 WR Legette…no good CB’s there and I couldn’t resist #66 CB Lassiter…not sold on him but wanted to stick to script somewhat #71 DT Hall…value, couldn’t resist, and had a plan for Guard later #90 T/G Kiran Amegadjie. Was injured but an absolute beast, and from Yale so one would assume smart, with position flexibility. Got my guard and this guy has longer term tackle possibility too. #104 RB Braellen Allen, young Wisconsin stud RB to be our future after Conner. #138 3rd WR pick, couldn’t resist, B. Rice. We got Harrison Jr and Rice’s kid! Plus Leggette! #162 TE Wiley. Tall pass catching TE. Kyler has no excuses when it comes to tall weapons anymore #186 and 226 a center prospect and big edge prospect I know nothing about. 4 of first 6 picks solidify the defense, but the offense also gets all we could ask for. If Legette is there #47, then draft him for sure, but I doubt he will be an option here. My recommendation, to fill the Guard spot, would be Christian Haynes at this pick point. I can certainly see a Cornerback taken #35, but evidently this is dependent on who is available. I’ve noticed the only interior Oline guy we’ve brought in was Turner III, a day three pick center prospect. I also note that today Gannon said Gaines rehab has gone well. I’m wondering if they feel Gaines is the answer for the interior Oline missing piece? |
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