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Post by Zaz on Oct 16, 2018 23:05:27 GMT -7
I just read Darren Urbans article about Mccoy where he says "I dont watch TV. I dont read the papers. I dont listen to the radio or any fans comments."
I think he thinks thats suppose to be impressive. Its not. In fact its a detriment. Its dumb.
You know what smart people do? Learn. Listen. Adjust. Criticism is not just baseless attacks. At its core, its advice. Your offense is failing and you have 100's of people offering you advice, that you dont listen to?
Foolish
**hes absolutely gone if Thursday is a bust. Theres way too much smoke. Every corner of the NFL rumor mill says so.
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Post by knobby on Oct 16, 2018 23:36:52 GMT -7
I just read Darren Urbans article about Mccoy where he says "I dont watch TV. I dont read the papers. I dont listen to the radio or any fans comments." I think he thinks thats suppose to be impressive. Its not. In fact its a detriment. Its dumb. You know what smart people do? Learn. Listen. Adjust. Criticism is not just baseless attacks. At its core, its advice. Your offense is failing and you have 100's of people offering you advice, that you dont listen to? Foolish **hes absolutely gone if Thursday is a bust. Theres way too much smoke. Every corner of the NFL rumor mill says so. What he didn't add is, "I don't need to." but that should have followed.
Pitiful. Experience alone does not guarantee excellence, but performance is a good basis for appraisal. McCoy has the former, but is way short on the latter IMO.
The person who hired him must be very uncomfortable about now...
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Post by CardsFanQC on Oct 17, 2018 8:30:21 GMT -7
I just read Darren Urbans article about Mccoy where he says "I dont watch TV. I dont read the papers. I dont listen to the radio or any fans comments." I think he thinks thats suppose to be impressive. Its not. In fact its a detriment. Its dumb. You know what smart people do? Learn. Listen. Adjust. Criticism is not just baseless attacks. At its core, its advice. Your offense is failing and you have 100's of people offering you advice, that you dont listen to? Foolish **hes absolutely gone if Thursday is a bust. Theres way too much smoke. Every corner of the NFL rumor mill says so. Alfred Williams (former NFL player) who lives in Denver and does play-by-play for them made some very interesting points about McCoy (none were flattering made on 98.7 this morning): - There were games when Tebow was QB when only TWO PASSES were completed but Denver won anyway due to run game and defense.
- McCoy had Peyton Manning and the offense was below average until the team turned it over (after getting smashed vs. Falcons) to let Peyton run HIS offense with calls at line of scrimmage in a lot of no-huddle.
- Pointed out that the reason Rosen looked so much better with the hurry-up vs. Vikings because then the QB is more or less running what HE likes and the OC has less control.
- Fact is we learned that the screen pass to DJ for a 30 yd gain in earlier game (the biggest offensive play to date, until the Kirk bomb vs. 49ers, was an audible by Rosen ... maybe Rosen is smarter about passing offense than McCoy.
- Since Cards are at home tomorrow and audibles are easier to call -- I hope Josh will trust his instincts and get the offense out of some bad calls from the OC.
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Post by bigangelg on Oct 17, 2018 11:39:45 GMT -7
McCoy needs to go but do you guys honestly think Byron Leftwich is going to change things. Come back down to earth. It's just wishful thinking. Another quesion we could ask.. Would Byron Left be an improvement to the current OC position? 🤯 |
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Post by flash on Oct 17, 2018 12:48:29 GMT -7
Leftwich? If we are going to consider a former QB as our OC, why not consider luring Kurt Warner in for that. Would Warner be a good offensive assistant coach or offensive coordinator? I have no idea. I just think that more than likely he would transform us into a "pass more" team. I wonder how locked in Warner is with his analyst career. Didn't Gruden once say he wouldn't coach anymore?
Just a thought.
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Post by beaverhuntr on Oct 17, 2018 14:10:29 GMT -7
McCoy needs to go but do you guys honestly think Byron Leftwich is going to change things. Come back down to earth. It's just wishful thinking. Another quesion we could ask.. Would Byron Left be an improvement to the current OC position? 🤯 Probably not but it puts Wilks on the hot seat. |
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Post by Drachir on Oct 17, 2018 16:58:29 GMT -7
Leftwich? If we are going to consider a former QB as our OC, why not consider luring Kurt Warner in for that. Would Warner be a good offensive assistant coach or offensive coordinator? I have no idea. I just think that more than likely he would transform us into a "pass more" team. I wonder how locked in Warner is with his analyst career. Didn't Gruden once say he wouldn't coach anymore? Just a thought. I think it has already been pointed out that Bryon Leftwich called plays for BA during the preseason and did a good job at that. I don't see Kurt Warner as being a very good OC as a good player does not make a good coach. As a matter of fact most good coaches didn't do that well as a player. Kurt Warner example as I have pointed out before trained Colin Kaepernick and look at what happened to him. He sucked and had the worse game of his career ended up being replaced as a starter. Don't give me this protesting the national anthem as him being blackballed from the NFL as he flat out sucked without Harbaugh as his head coach. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 17:16:25 GMT -7
Don't equate KW's short training time with Kap (which was over the basic fundamentals of set up in the pocket and stepping up vs high tailin' it, which is what Kap was allowed to do for so long with Harbaugh) as KW doing a "poor' job of coaching. Could not be further from the truth. Harbaugh was gone by then and Kap could not adapt to a changing O. KW tried to help Kap with basic fundamentals and Kap could not do it.
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Post by flash on Oct 17, 2018 23:16:44 GMT -7
Don't equate KW's short training time with Kap (which was over the basic fundamentals of set up in the pocket and stepping up vs high tailin' it, which is what Kap was allowed to do for so long with Harbaugh) as KW doing a "poor' job of coaching. Could not be further from the truth. Harbaugh was gone by then and Kap could not adapt to a changing O. KW tried to help Kap with basic fundamentals and Kap could not do it. Have to agree with you on this. |
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Post by Drachir on Oct 18, 2018 10:05:48 GMT -7
Don't equate KW's short training time with Kap (which was over the basic fundamentals of set up in the pocket and stepping up vs high tailin' it, which is what Kap was allowed to do for so long with Harbaugh) as KW doing a "poor' job of coaching. Could not be further from the truth. Harbaugh was gone by then and Kap could not adapt to a changing O. KW tried to help Kap with basic fundamentals and Kap could not do it. You do have a point there. I still don't know whether Kurt would be a good coach or not. Probably a better example although hockey is Wayne Gretzky who was "The Great One" as a player but an epic failure as coach of the Coyotes. |
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Post by beaverhuntr on Oct 18, 2018 10:15:08 GMT -7
Don't equate KW's short training time with Kap (which was over the basic fundamentals of set up in the pocket and stepping up vs high tailin' it, which is what Kap was allowed to do for so long with Harbaugh) as KW doing a "poor' job of coaching. Could not be further from the truth. Harbaugh was gone by then and Kap could not adapt to a changing O. KW tried to help Kap with basic fundamentals and Kap could not do it. You do have a point there. I still don't know whether Kurt would be a good coach or not. Probably a better example although hockey is Wayne Gretzky who was "The Great One" as a player but an epic failure as coach of the Coyotes. He's offensive coordinator for his sons high school football team , or he was. |
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Post by ~MainEvent~ on Oct 18, 2018 11:00:20 GMT -7
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Post by longtimefan on Oct 18, 2018 11:05:08 GMT -7
You do have a point there. I still don't know whether Kurt would be a good coach or not. Probably a better example although hockey is Wayne Gretzky who was "The Great One" as a player but an epic failure as coach of the Coyotes. He's offensive coordinator for his sons high school football team , or he was. Comparing the role of HS OC to Pro OC is like asking a 2nd grade pee-wee football player to run plays and be successful at the HS varsity level. I think we would all agree that understanding pee-wee football plays is a significant difference from High School players. Multiply that by about 100 when you compare complexity between a high school team and a pro team. I don't know if KW would be a good OC. I think he could be a good QB coach; however, I do not think he wants to commit the time it takes. He has a good balance between football and family with his work at NFL network. KW is a strong family man and I believe he puts his family first and being an NFL coach does not allow that type priority. |
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Post by beaverhuntr on Oct 18, 2018 11:36:33 GMT -7
He's offensive coordinator for his sons high school football team , or he was. Comparing the role of HS OC to Pro OC is like asking a 2nd grade pee-wee football player to run plays and be successful at the HS varsity level. I think we would all agree that understanding pee-wee football plays is a significant difference from High School players. Multiply that by about 100 when you compare complexity between a high school team and a pro team. I don't know if KW would be a good OC. I think he could be a good QB coach; however, I do not think he wants to commit the time it takes. He has a good balance between football and family with his work at NFL network. KW is a strong family man and I believe he puts his family first and being an NFL coach does not allow that type priority. Well at least he has a playbook |
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Post by Drachir on Oct 18, 2018 11:55:15 GMT -7
Comparing the role of HS OC to Pro OC is like asking a 2nd grade pee-wee football player to run plays and be successful at the HS varsity level. I think we would all agree that understanding pee-wee football plays is a significant difference from High School players. Multiply that by about 100 when you compare complexity between a high school team and a pro team. I don't know if KW would be a good OC. I think he could be a good QB coach; however, I do not think he wants to commit the time it takes. He has a good balance between football and family with his work at NFL network. KW is a strong family man and I believe he puts his family first and being an NFL coach does not allow that type priority. Well at least he has a playbook  One that everyone can read and is not 1) run up the middle, 2) run up the middle, 3) run straight up the middle, 4) punt, 5) repeat 1-4 |
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One that everyone can read and is not 1) run up the middle, 2) run up the middle, 3) run straight up the middle, 4) punt, 5) repeat 1-4