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Post by aris on Jul 26, 2018 7:44:33 GMT -7
They are in talks right now. And it's all about "how much" money. That is what needs to be finalized. Urban posted about it on the Main Card site yesterday. Everything else is done. Just a small detail to be worked out? "how much". That can be a divide that cant be reconciled.
I hope the Cards realize they have DJ in the best possible position.
Lets reverse the scenario. DJ is an UFA. The Browns offer him BIG money. He's gone.
There is no such thing as loyalty in sports. Fitz is a pure anomaly and he's been paid handsomely in his career.
DJ is an asset for my football team. I will utilize that asset as I see fit and he will fit in the parameters of my budget especially if I have the advantage that was negotiated in good faith by both the players and owners.
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Post by monsterike on Jul 26, 2018 8:22:34 GMT -7
They are in talks right now. And it's all about "how much" money. That is what needs to be finalized. Urban posted about it on the Main Card site yesterday. Everything else is done. It's not done until it is signed and accepted by the NFL. Final details usually equates to guaranteed money and that can stall any contract. If they don't get it done before the start of the season it benefits DJ to wait and prove it on the field. He will be getting a raise next year no matter what (F-Tag money is good money) |
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Post by Zaz on Jul 26, 2018 8:30:05 GMT -7
Like I said, David might be the better player, but Gurley has 22 more starts and they were drafted the same year. Best ability is availability Ok ... at least you state DJ is the better player which is what I am trying to point out. Of the 22 less starts, 1/2 can be blamed on BA since DJ's rookie year only saw him start 5 games instead of 16... BA decision.
Actually not so. Few years ago the Seahawks paid FA QB Matt Flynn alot of money. They also drafted Russ Wilson in the 3rd round. Russ Wilson then beat out Flynn in camp, won the starting job, and has been his elite self ever since his rookie year. David didnt beat out Ellington or CJ. Thats on him. BA wouldve started him if he dominated in practice, but evidently he didnt. So the fact David didnt start his rookie year is Davids fault. Shouldve won the job. And there are no freak injuries. He got tackled and broke his wrist. Thats about as normal as they come. |
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Post by ~MainEvent~ on Jul 26, 2018 8:34:00 GMT -7
Pay him
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Post by Vesely22 on Jul 26, 2018 9:08:41 GMT -7
Ok ... at least you state DJ is the better player which is what I am trying to point out. Of the 22 less starts, 1/2 can be blamed on BA since DJ's rookie year only saw him start 5 games instead of 16... BA decision.
Even if we take into account that BA didn't know what he had and not start DJ until end of 2015, the total yds from scrimmage in 1st 2 yrs shows DJ = 3,156 yds vs. Gurley's 2,506 yds.
Last year's injury to DJ was a freak one so let's see how it plays out. As a Cardinal fan, I like the fact DJ wants to "prove it" and is supremely motivated this year. Yesterday on 98.7 (Doug and Wolf) show they mentioned the strength and conditioning coach along with Evan Boehm can't believe DJ is squatting more lbs and more reps than any player on the team including OL. Wolfley also mentioned a fact I have long posted -- imagine if under OC McCoy that the Cards actually develop a RB screen game. DJ running style (longer strides and powerful stiff arm) is perfect for a screen game -- get him in open space and by the 3rd stride his long stride deceptive speed will have the defense taking bad angles. Just so people remember -- count how many guys take a bad angle once DJ turns up field (I was about 30 rows up at the 35 yd line and this play happened right in front of me) DJ at 22.05 MPH - Screen/Swing pass attack
Great play! Got me all fired up for 2018! |
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Post by CardsFanQC on Jul 26, 2018 9:28:02 GMT -7
Ok ... at least you state DJ is the better player which is what I am trying to point out. Of the 22 less starts, 1/2 can be blamed on BA since DJ's rookie year only saw him start 5 games instead of 16... BA decision.
Actually not so. Few years ago the Seahawks paid FA QB Matt Flynn alot of money. They also drafted Russ Wilson in the 3rd round. Russ Wilson then beat out Flynn in camp, won the starting job, and has been his elite self ever since his rookie year. David didnt beat out Ellington or CJ. Thats on him. BA wouldve started him if he dominated in practice, but evidently he didnt. So the fact David didnt start his rookie year is Davids fault. Shouldve won the job. And there are no freak injuries. He got tackled and broke his wrist. Thats about as normal as they come. Heck -- BA or SK didn't even want to draft him though I was on the other forum a full 2 mos prior to the draft with every mock draft having the Cards picking DJ in Rd #3 just as it happened. So they though Abdullah was better than DJ and BA thought Andre Ellington was a future Pro Bowler. So .. who was correct ?
My goodness DJ is the only player EVER to score a running TD, passing TD and kickoff TD in his first 3 games as an NFL player in history of the NFL... DUH -- BA should have increased his touches immediately as his RB coach was calling him a future HOF so I disagree -- DJ did show them he should've started but BA had Ellington blinders.
BTW: He broke his wrist while catching a ball and the safety launched himself head first and the crown of helmet hit his wrist in the perfect place to break it -- the broken wrist was not caused by him hitting the ground as he was tackled.
I think since DJ has been out of sight out of mind that everyone has forgotten how good he is -- here is one of the most spectacular runs ever in the NFL and this was only his 3rd game starting toward end of 2015 season -- DJ doing his own "Beast Mode"
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Post by CardsFanQC on Jul 26, 2018 9:43:53 GMT -7
Actually not so. Few years ago the Seahawks paid FA QB Matt Flynn alot of money. They also drafted Russ Wilson in the 3rd round. Russ Wilson then beat out Flynn in camp, won the starting job, and has been his elite self ever since his rookie year. David didnt beat out Ellington or CJ. Thats on him. BA wouldve started him if he dominated in practice, but evidently he didnt. So the fact David didnt start his rookie year is Davids fault. Shouldve won the job. And there are no freak injuries. He got tackled and broke his wrist. Thats about as normal as they come. Heck -- BA or SK didn't even want to draft him though I was on the other forum a full 2 mos prior to the draft with every mock draft having the Cards picking DJ in Rd #3 just as it happened. So they though Abdullah was better than DJ and BA thought Andre Ellington was a future Pro Bowler. So .. who was correct ?
My goodness DJ is the only player EVER to score a running TD, passing TD and kickoff TD in his first 3 games as an NFL player in history of the NFL... DUH -- BA should have increased his touches immediately as his RB coach was calling him a future HOF so I disagree -- DJ did show them he should've started but BA had Ellington blinders.
BTW: He broke his wrist while catching a ball and the safety launched himself head first and the crown of helmet hit his wrist in the perfect place to break it -- the broken wrist was not caused by him hitting the ground as he was tackled.
I think since DJ has been out of sight out of mind that everyone has forgotten how good he is -- here is one of the most spectacular runs ever in the NFL and this was only his 3rd game starting toward end of 2015 season -- DJ doing his own "Beast Mode"
Looks like the wrist is fine and he hasn't lost his natural "catch" ability -- DJ Wrist Looks 100%
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Post by Zaz on Jul 26, 2018 12:03:07 GMT -7
Actually not so. Few years ago the Seahawks paid FA QB Matt Flynn alot of money. They also drafted Russ Wilson in the 3rd round. Russ Wilson then beat out Flynn in camp, won the starting job, and has been his elite self ever since his rookie year. David didnt beat out Ellington or CJ. Thats on him. BA wouldve started him if he dominated in practice, but evidently he didnt. So the fact David didnt start his rookie year is Davids fault. Shouldve won the job. And there are no freak injuries. He got tackled and broke his wrist. Thats about as normal as they come.
BTW: He broke his wrist while catching a ball and the safety launched himself head first and the crown of helmet hit his wrist in the perfect place to break it -- the broken wrist was not caused by him hitting the ground as he was tackled.
Thats totally normal. Getting hit in the wrist and it breaking. Getting hit in the head and getting a bad concussion. Tackled at the knee and tearing your ACL. These are all normal injuries. A "freak" injury is the sky cam snapping off the cable and landing on a player. Otherwise all those other injuries are typical football injures. I am concerned about DJs ability to stay healthy. |
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Post by 70'sCardFan on Jul 26, 2018 12:17:08 GMT -7
Like I said, David might be the better player, but Gurley has 22 more starts and they were drafted the same year. Best ability is availability Ok ... at least you state DJ is the better player which is what I am trying to point out. Of the 22 less starts, 1/2 can be blamed on BA since DJ's rookie year only saw him start 5 games instead of 16... BA decision.
Even if we take into account that BA didn't know what he had and not start DJ until end of 2015, the total yds from scrimmage in 1st 2 yrs shows DJ = 3,156 yds vs. Gurley's 2,506 yds.
Last year's injury to DJ was a freak one so let's see how it plays out. As a Cardinal fan, I like the fact DJ wants to "prove it" and is supremely motivated this year. Yesterday on 98.7 (Doug and Wolf) show they mentioned the strength and conditioning coach along with Evan Boehm can't believe DJ is squatting more lbs and more reps than any player on the team including OL. Wolfley also mentioned a fact I have long posted -- imagine if under OC McCoy that the Cards actually develop a RB screen game. DJ running style (longer strides and powerful stiff arm) is perfect for a screen game -- get him in open space and by the 3rd stride his long stride deceptive speed will have the defense taking bad angles. Just so people remember -- count how many guys take a bad angle once DJ turns up field (I was about 30 rows up at the 35 yd line and this play happened right in front of me) DJ at 22.05 MPH - Screen/Swing pass attack
I get a little concerned about DJ training so much. I hope he isn't over doing it on his body, especially with the squats. He maybe getting to strong for joints, ligaments and knees. I hope he isn't setting himself up for some hamstring issues. JMO. |
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Post by Red Stepchild on Jul 26, 2018 14:57:16 GMT -7
This season will be the most important, by far, in any evaluation of DJ. Whoever is to blame, it's a shame he didn't have a breakout rookie season. That said, I think there are normal accidents that are just as impossible for a player to guard against as any freak accident. Sometimes there may not be a need to draw distinctions between the two ...but I'm going to do it anyway. Freak accident: In 1999 Orlando Brown of the Cleveland Browns missed 3 full seasons after a popcorn kernel damaged his eye following a thrown flag. In response, penalty flags are now weighted with sand.
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Post by UKcardinal on Jul 27, 2018 4:26:20 GMT -7
I really don't see how DJ or his representatives have a strong hand in this game.
By the end of his rookie deal he will be 28, the Cardinals could easily franchise tag him twice (which will be alot less than if we gave him a new bumper deal) and he will be hitting the market at 30 years old after playing in a run heavy offence for 4 years.
No way can I see DJ getting a similar contract to Gurley.
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Post by aris on Jul 27, 2018 7:41:47 GMT -7
BTW: He broke his wrist while catching a ball and the safety launched himself head first and the crown of helmet hit his wrist in the perfect place to break it -- the broken wrist was not caused by him hitting the ground as he was tackled.
Thats totally normal. Getting hit in the wrist and it breaking. Getting hit in the head and getting a bad concussion. Tackled at the knee and tearing your ACL. These are all normal injuries. A "freak" injury is the sky cam snapping off the cable and landing on a player. Otherwise all those other injuries are typical football injures. I am concerned about DJs ability to stay healthy. Based on one play where he broke his wrist? That's odd.
This guy is not beanie Wells , who was nursing one injury or another continuously.
Do you remember the game against I believe the Eagles where someone tackled DJ and he twisted his leg and we all thought he tore his ligaments? Well he was fine the next day. This guy is built tough. That being said he's playing a position where he is colliding with the meanest dudes on the planet. Over and over. There is a reason RB's don't last. And DJ is 27? I believe. Old for a running back still on his rookie deal.
Cardinals: Do not give this guy a big contract. Utilize him as a weapon and asset while allocating funds to him as stated in the player/owner negotiated deal.
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Post by Zaz on Jul 27, 2018 8:46:46 GMT -7
Thats totally normal. Getting hit in the wrist and it breaking. Getting hit in the head and getting a bad concussion. Tackled at the knee and tearing your ACL. These are all normal injuries. A "freak" injury is the sky cam snapping off the cable and landing on a player. Otherwise all those other injuries are typical football injures. I am concerned about DJs ability to stay healthy. Based on one play where he broke his wrist? That's odd. Based on: - broke his wrist, missed entire season. - Didnt tear anything in his knee, but still an injury that prevented him from playing - The injury in OTA's that we still dont know what it was - In 4 years at Northern Iowa he got injured all 4 years and missed time. So in 7 years of playing football, I see 7 injuries that made him miss games or practice time. For comparison, in 16 years, Larry has had 3 injuries that caused him to miss games. |
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Post by aris on Jul 27, 2018 12:12:34 GMT -7
Based on one play where he broke his wrist? That's odd. Based on: - broke his wrist, missed entire season. - Didnt tear anything in his knee, but still an injury that prevented him from playing - The injury in OTA's that we still dont know what it was - In 4 years at Northern Iowa he got injured all 4 years and missed time. So in 7 years of playing football, I see 7 injuries that made him miss games or practice time. For comparison, in 16 years, Larry has had 3 injuries that caused him to miss games. outside of his wrist injury he hasnt missed any time playing for the cards. He played in all 16 games the previous two seasons. He played most of the schedule in college, missed a game or two but not certain why. Remember he is a running back. They do get injured from time to time. Can you list the 7 injuries that caused miss time because this seems like mostly Zaz hyperbole. |
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Post by Zaz on Jul 27, 2018 12:44:58 GMT -7
Based on: - broke his wrist, missed entire season. - Didnt tear anything in his knee, but still an injury that prevented him from playing - The injury in OTA's that we still dont know what it was - In 4 years at Northern Iowa he got injured all 4 years and missed time. So in 7 years of playing football, I see 7 injuries that made him miss games or practice time. For comparison, in 16 years, Larry has had 3 injuries that caused him to miss games. He played most of the schedule in college, missed a game or two but not certain why. Remember he is a running back. They do get injured from time to time. So you say "RBs get injured from time to time" and then argue that David doesnt have an injury history? So which is it? Is David some ironman or is he RB who gets injured? assbackwards nonsense. Arguing for the sake of it. |
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