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Post by aris on Jul 25, 2018 7:03:58 GMT -7
length of resume Leveon has 4 complete beast seasons. Gurley has 2.5. David has 1. Yup 1, and his age will be something that the cards may consider. I really like DJ, I truly believe he is a man of integrity, a good man! So if it comes down to David making a decision, I think he loves being a cardinal. And if he did get hurt, after a new deal, even if it is career ending.. He may stay here and still be connected to the community. Do good things here in Phx. After thinking about again, there has to be something it the middle. You just have to take a chance and extend him. It makes the team look cheap. DJ has low mileage on him compared to his age. So I look at his career so far as being underpaid. More important, he is a good dude. Pay the Man! This is the type of fan I hope the management is not. "pay him" they yell. Don't be "cheap". DJ is older then Gurley. the tag for franchising RB's isn't that bad. Let it play out. DJ will be a rich man no matter what. Manage the cap. Be smart. Don't do what you did with HB. That was really dumb. |
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Post by biggs on Jul 25, 2018 7:10:50 GMT -7
Gurley made 11.5 million on the first 3 years of his contract. DJ made 2.4 million on the first 3 years of his. DJ and Chandler Jones is one of 3 players on this team that are elite talents and still in their prime. Chandler Jones got a 15 million dollar bonus with 51 million guaranteed. PP got just under 50 million guaranteed 4 years ago. Jones, PP and DJ are the only elite talents that are in their prime years. DJ is the only one who is grossly underpaid. The team has to level this or it's going to become a problem. The team may have all the leverage but DJ shouldn't be playing and risking his health for the kind of money he's currently getting. It's not that complicated to figure out.
DJ numbers next to Gurley's are striking. Gurley has almost twice the amount of starts and has less than 20% more yards from scrimmage and a couple of more TD's. The Cardinals have had one of the worst OL in the league the last two years.
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Post by rooseveltcardsfan on Jul 25, 2018 7:19:15 GMT -7
Yup 1, and his age will be something that the cards may consider. I really like DJ, I truly believe he is a man of integrity, a good man! So if it comes down to David making a decision, I think he loves being a cardinal. And if he did get hurt, after a new deal, even if it is career ending.. He may stay here and still be connected to the community. Do good things here in Phx. After thinking about again, there has to be something it the middle. You just have to take a chance and extend him. It makes the team look cheap. DJ has low mileage on him compared to his age. So I look at his career so far as being underpaid. More important, he is a good dude. Pay the Man! This is the type of fan I hope the management is not. "pay him" they yell. Don't be "cheap". DJ is older then Gurley. the tag for franchising RB's isn't that bad. Let it play out. DJ will be a rich man no matter what. Manage the cap. Be smart. Don't do what you did with HB. That was really dumb. The cards have 12 or 13 mil right now to remain under the cap. To pay DJ they will need a couple of the big money guys to defer some of their 2018 salary to help facilitate the extension. The way I look at it is, as a fan I want the cards to spend every cent of the cap every year. They almost have the cap room to extend him now, without any deferments. And in 2019 if they want to bring him back, they would need to franchise him. That number is going to be close to 15 mil in 2019. That’s what I meant by cheap. |
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Post by CardsFanQC on Jul 25, 2018 7:40:28 GMT -7
Why not he hurt his wrist not a leg? length of resume Leveon has 4 complete beast seasons. Gurley has 2.5. David has 1. I would say Gurley has 1.5 as his 2016 campaign was VERY POOR - 3.2 Yds per carry. I would say DJ also has 1.5 -- look at this stats in the last half of his rookie year (when BA finally figured out what the Cards had) including the amazing Eagle game. DJ is much better than Gurley in receiving. DJ's top MPH in a live game is over 22MPG whereas Gurley's top speed in game action is 21.23 MPG. The amazing thing is DJ's 22.05 MPH was on the very first play he touched the ball his rookie season and ties the FASTEST time of any ball carrier for all of 2017 -- nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/top-plays/fastest-ball-carriers/2017/allGurley last year had a MUCH, MUCH better OL than anything DJ has had in his career so far. Gurley shredded his ACL in college and while coming back nicely another hit on same knee is likely to be career ending -- we'll see if DJ is snake-bit as far as injury but with better OL coaching and maybe the development of a screen passing game (the very thing Rams used to help Gurley improve so much between 2017 and 2016), DJ could again establish himself as the best all-around offensive weapon in the NFL. People forget that DJ is a physical freak having shown at the combine to be in the same "freak" category as S. Barkley from this past year with great hands. P.S. Mark my words as I've seen heard 2 former NFL players discuss how the Rams were greatly benefited by McVay calling plays thru Goff's headset at the 15 second mark of the play clock. Many are talking about this (including Budda Baker btw) and the DC's are going to be showing different looks to force GOFF to make the adjustments and know his offense better ... despite the fact Goff doesn't know the sun rises in the East and sets in the West. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 9:11:39 GMT -7
Cards can now do what the Rams did. Give DJ an extension that locks him up for the next 4 years (or more). And with guarantees (Not guaranteed $$$)to provide extra $$$ thru play and goals. Terry McDonough and Mike Disner should be able to handle this now if MB will let them. Or MB might wait till SK is back at his job. Either way the blue print is already laid out. And it won't break the cap either, for this year or next year. Spotrac has this about the current cap: Est. Cap Space (Top 51): $13,102,898 See this page for David's estimated worth at current market value: www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/david-johnson-16810/market-value/ |
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Post by Zaz on Jul 25, 2018 9:37:36 GMT -7
length of resume Leveon has 4 complete beast seasons. Gurley has 2.5. David has 1. I would say Gurley has 1.5 as his 2016 campaign was VERY POOR - 3.2 Yds per carry. I would say DJ also has 1.5 -- look at this stats in the last half of his rookie year (when BA finally figured out what the Cards had) including the amazing Eagle game. DJ is much better than Gurley in receiving. DJ's top MPH in a live game is over 22MPG whereas Gurley's top speed in game action is 21.23 MPG. The amazing thing is DJ's 22.05 MPH was on the very first play he touched the ball his rookie season and ties the FASTEST time of any ball carrier for all of 2017 -- nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/top-plays/fastest-ball-carriers/2017/allGurley last year had a MUCH, MUCH better OL than anything DJ has had in his career so far. Gurley shredded his ACL in college and while coming back nicely another hit on same knee is likely to be career ending -- we'll see if DJ is snake-bit as far as injury but with better OL coaching and maybe the development of a screen passing game (the very thing Rams used to help Gurley improve so much between 2017 and 2016), DJ could again establish himself as the best all-around offensive weapon in the NFL. People forget that DJ is a physical freak having shown at the combine to be in the same "freak" category as S. Barkley from this past year with great hands. P.S. Mark my words as I've seen heard 2 former NFL players discuss how the Rams were greatly benefited by McVay calling plays thru Goff's headset at the 15 second mark of the play clock. Many are talking about this (including Budda Baker btw) and the DC's are going to be showing different looks to force GOFF to make the adjustments and know his offense better ... despite the fact Goff doesn't know the sun rises in the East and sets in the West. Theres nothing very poor about 885 yards. We generally view a good season for a RB at 1,000. So coming up 115 short isnt bad at all. And he didnt have a good line that year either. That was pre-Andrew Whitworth. Your argument is coming off very homerish. Gurley has 2 outstanding years in 15 and 17, and his 885 in 16 was fine. David might be better than Bell or Gurley, but thus far, they both have proven more. David has 1 good year. All other factors dont matter. Injuries are a part of the game and Bell/Gurley have stayed healthy. David hasnt. |
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Post by biggs on Jul 25, 2018 9:56:21 GMT -7
Why not he hurt his wrist not a leg? length of resume Leveon has 4 complete beast seasons. Gurley has 2.5. David has 1. Gurley has 22 more starts and has produced less than 755 more yards from scrimmage and scored 2 more total TD's. To date without the new contract Gurley has been paid about 5X what DJ has been paid. Leveon Bell made 5 times what DJ will have made in 3 years last year. |
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Post by Zaz on Jul 25, 2018 10:06:06 GMT -7
length of resume Leveon has 4 complete beast seasons. Gurley has 2.5. David has 1. Gurley has 22 more starts and has produced less than 755 more yards from scrimmage and scored 2 more total TD's. To date without the new contract Gurley has been paid about 5X what DJ has been paid. Leveon Bell made 5 times what DJ will have made in 3 years last year. Like I said, David might be the better player, but Gurley has 22 more starts and they were drafted the same year. Best ability is availability |
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Post by monsterike on Jul 25, 2018 14:31:51 GMT -7
Sk missed an opportunity to get DJ at a decent deal. Now the price had been set. I see a few years of TAGS and hurt feelings in the end.
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Post by Kyler_Murray26 on Jul 25, 2018 17:01:51 GMT -7
I'd give him less guaranteed money than Gurley for sure.
Maybe not a lot less, but definitely less.
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Post by aris on Jul 25, 2018 17:52:28 GMT -7
Gurley made 11.5 million on the first 3 years of his contract. DJ made 2.4 million on the first 3 years of his. DJ and Chandler Jones is one of 3 players on this team that are elite talents and still in their prime. Chandler Jones got a 15 million dollar bonus with 51 million guaranteed. PP got just under 50 million guaranteed 4 years ago. Jones, PP and DJ are the only elite talents that are in their prime years. DJ is the only one who is grossly underpaid. The team has to level this or i t's going to become a problem. The team may have all the leverage but DJ shouldn't be playing and risking his health for the kind of money he's currently getting. It's not that complicated to figure out. DJ numbers next to Gurley's are striking. Gurley has almost twice the amount of starts and has less than 20% more yards from scrimmage and a couple of more TD's. The Cardinals have had one of the worst OL in the league the last two years. What PROBLEM? Suck it up and play for your millions. Or like you suggested before DJ should quit because clearly IYO he can make that somewhere else. LOL. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 18:55:05 GMT -7
I'd give him less guaranteed money than Gurley for sure. Maybe not a lot less, but definitely less. Gurley got No Guaranteed money. He got 45Mil in guarantees If he makes set goals. I posted a link earlier that gives more specifics than this. |
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Post by CardsFanQC on Jul 26, 2018 5:07:26 GMT -7
Gurley has 22 more starts and has produced less than 755 more yards from scrimmage and scored 2 more total TD's. To date without the new contract Gurley has been paid about 5X what DJ has been paid. Leveon Bell made 5 times what DJ will have made in 3 years last year. Like I said, David might be the better player, but Gurley has 22 more starts and they were drafted the same year. Best ability is availability Ok ... at least you state DJ is the better player which is what I am trying to point out. Of the 22 less starts, 1/2 can be blamed on BA since DJ's rookie year only saw him start 5 games instead of 16... BA decision.
Even if we take into account that BA didn't know what he had and not start DJ until end of 2015, the total yds from scrimmage in 1st 2 yrs shows DJ = 3,156 yds vs. Gurley's 2,506 yds.
Last year's injury to DJ was a freak one so let's see how it plays out. As a Cardinal fan, I like the fact DJ wants to "prove it" and is supremely motivated this year. Yesterday on 98.7 (Doug and Wolf) show they mentioned the strength and conditioning coach along with Evan Boehm can't believe DJ is squatting more lbs and more reps than any player on the team including OL. Wolfley also mentioned a fact I have long posted -- imagine if under OC McCoy that the Cards actually develop a RB screen game. DJ running style (longer strides and powerful stiff arm) is perfect for a screen game -- get him in open space and by the 3rd stride his long stride deceptive speed will have the defense taking bad angles. Just so people remember -- count how many guys take a bad angle once DJ turns up field (I was about 30 rows up at the 35 yd line and this play happened right in front of me) DJ at 22.05 MPH - Screen/Swing pass attack
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Post by Boomer on Jul 26, 2018 6:37:00 GMT -7
There's too much uncertainty to give DJ an extension right now. He did not play at all last year and we have a new HC, OC, OLC among other key factors. He's obviously a valuable player but with all the changes and his lack of playing time last year, it's easy to see why this is taking a long time to figure out. The one thing that Gurley has done is play every down requested since he was drafted and that is huge when you are looking for a big pay day.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 6:52:41 GMT -7
They are in talks right now. And it's all about "how much" money. That is what needs to be finalized. Urban posted about it on the Main Card site yesterday. Everything else is done.
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