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Post by Boomer on Jul 16, 2018 16:14:57 GMT -7
Le'Veon didn't get his big contract and instead will be franchised for 2018. This has to have an impact on DJ's contract negotiation as there hasn't been a bar set yet for that "bell cow" running back and what kind of $$$ he can command. Hopefully this works in our favor.
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Post by knobby on Jul 16, 2018 16:41:17 GMT -7
Le'Veon didn't get his big contract and instead will be franchised for 2018. This has to have an impact on DJ's contract negotiation as there hasn't been a bar set yet for that "bell cow" running back and what kind of $$$ he can command. Hopefully this works in our favor.
Had a feeling that would happen, and suspect it may well have impact on negotiations DJ's agent has with the Cards. Think the Cards will follow that lead?
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Post by End Zone on Jul 16, 2018 16:48:20 GMT -7
Yes I do.
Players hate tags. GMs hate tags.
So it is logical that DJ will get tagged because neither side will blink and be reasonable for a few years.
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Post by Boomer on Jul 16, 2018 16:53:03 GMT -7
Le'Veon didn't get his big contract and instead will be franchised for 2018. This has to have an impact on DJ's contract negotiation as there hasn't been a bar set yet for that "bell cow" running back and what kind of $$$ he can command. Hopefully this works in our favor.
Had a feeling that would happen, and suspect it may well have impact on negotiations DJ's agent has with the Cards. Think the Cards will follow that lead?
Don't know if they have the balls to just let him ride out his rookie contract and franchise him the year after if he has a great season or not. |
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Post by Zaz on Jul 16, 2018 17:30:39 GMT -7
Technically true, but also youre blowing it out of proportion a little bit.Its not as if David were to sign today for 9M, and tomorrow Bell got 15M, and David and his agent are going "OH golly! We had no idea we couldve got that much!"
Agents are smart. They talk to other agents. Teams talk to other teams regarding trading problem guys like Bell. They all know what Bell is asking for. They all know what Pitt has offered.
The difference between Bell and DJ will only be 2-3M. So it doesnt matter what happens with Bell.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Jul 16, 2018 17:34:01 GMT -7
Had a feeling that would happen, and suspect it may well have impact on negotiations DJ's agent has with the Cards. Think the Cards will follow that lead?
Don't know if they have the balls to just let him ride out his rookie contract and franchise him the year after if he has a great season or not. I think they should let him prove himself this season or midway through the season and if he has a good first half to the season then pay the guy and don't mess around if he struggles or whatever then play the game. I want him here for a long time the guy is a freak. |
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Post by Dry Heat on Jul 16, 2018 18:28:48 GMT -7
Bell was reportedly offered $70 million for 5 years and didn’t take it. I believe we can have DJ for 3 years for about $26 million total, and be completely protected from serious injury concern year to year.
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Post by Boomer on Jul 16, 2018 18:54:12 GMT -7
People are smoking crack if they don't think DJ's agent wasn't waiting to see if Bell broke the bank. The fact he didn't get signed at any number is significant.
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Post by pajaro cerebro on Jul 16, 2018 19:53:14 GMT -7
Bell was reportedly offered $70 million for 5 years and didn’t take it. I believe we can have DJ for 3 years for about $26 million total, and be completely protected from serious injury concern year to year. Wow! He turned down 14 mil a year? If a significant portion of that was guaranteed, he might live to regret that! |
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Post by knobby on Jul 16, 2018 19:56:03 GMT -7
Had a feeling that would happen, and suspect it may well have impact on negotiations DJ's agent has with the Cards. Think the Cards will follow that lead?
Don't know if they have the balls to just let him ride out his rookie contract and franchise him the year after if he has a great season or not. I hope we have a decision sooner rather than later, but the longer it takes, the less likely DJ is to cash in - IMO. If he is franchised until free to leave, so be it. Be firm.
Whichever way it goes, I hope the overall best thing for the team is the result... and don't mean that to be a weak response. My sense is that someone in the Cards org. has had enough of big demands, especially after being generous with Badger and that result. When holdouts become a millstone for any team it is time to get back to reality even if there is some pain.
I like DJ. I like his ability to excel at RB and as a receiver. BUT, If no agreement, I would rather see him banned from all activities and on the market, not on the sidelines eating sunflower seeds and spitting out husks while other players give their best. Harsh? Maybe, but he and others must learn that there is a price for playing hardass big shot hero.
Some here will argue the short playing life for RBs and how they deserve this and that. That's fine, but diminishes a team's ability to adapt to the loss of that person they planned to help them win. If running backs were scarce, supply and demand would dictate high dollars - but they are plentiful. Yes, pay the outstanding RBs more, but reasonably more.
So who wins? DJ, the team, or neither? A happy end is less likely since "Show Me The Money!!!" has become the war cry for great, near great and wannabe great players. I see no end to that in the near future.
Again, IMO.
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Post by knobby on Jul 16, 2018 23:10:15 GMT -7
Yes I do. Players hate tags. GMs hate tags. So it is logical that DJ will get tagged because neither side will blink and be reasonable for a few years.
Part of me hopes so, and another part hopes not. It would be needless if only reason prevailed.
But as you note, flexibility in negotiations is not very likely, and I'm fine with standing firm. Someone has to draw the line, like with Bell. This sort of thing might go on until the next CBA if all the teams are thinking alike, and I think with dropping (fan) interest that is very possible.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Jul 17, 2018 5:44:49 GMT -7
Bell was reportedly offered $70 million for 5 years and didn’t take it. I believe we can have DJ for 3 years for about $26 million total, and be completely protected from serious injury concern year to year. Wow! He turned down 14 mil a year? If a significant portion of that was guaranteed, he might live to regret that! I think backs like Bell DJ Gurley and Elliott are gonna get paid by someone might as well be the team they belong to because in free agency someone will step up. I will say it helps having that many really good backs to keep the price down a little not to mention some I missed. |
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Jul 17, 2018 5:49:57 GMT -7
Yes I do. Players hate tags. GMs hate tags. So it is logical that DJ will get tagged because neither side will blink and be reasonable for a few years. Part of me hopes so, and another part hopes not. It would be needless if only reason prevailed. But as you note, flexibility in negotiations is not very likely, and I'm fine with standing firm. Someone has to draw the line, like with Bell. This sort of thing might go on until the next CBA if all the teams are thinking alike, and I think with dropping interest that is very possible.
I wish they would develop a staggered pay scale for each position according to ability. That is how it's done in the real world but really this isn't the real world but someone has to get control of these wages. I kinda laugh when they talk about 15.00 an hour for people that work for fast food like mcdonalds. Eventually you price yourself out of the market. It would benefit the league and players to be reasonable. |
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Post by itancanwa on Jul 17, 2018 7:18:14 GMT -7
I like DJ and hope they can work something out long term. With that DJ isn't in Bell's class. At least not yet. Bell has put those numbers up for 3 or 4 years now. DJ has had that 1 good year, and his rookie year. Which was also pretty good. Right now DJ doesn't have he can do. He is still under his rookie contract. Then add in the fact he missed all of last year. It's either play or get substantially fined and loose some of his future income.
I really like DJ, but if they can't get together put him on the market and see if you can get enough for him to make it worth trading him. |
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Post by beaverhuntr on Jul 17, 2018 7:33:41 GMT -7
I like DJ and hope they can work something out long term. With that DJ isn't in Bell's class. At least not yet. Bell has put those numbers up for 3 or 4 years now. DJ has had that 1 good year, and his rookie year. Which was also pretty good. Right now DJ doesn't have he can do. He is still under his rookie contract. Then add in the fact he missed all of last year. It's either play or get substantially fined and loose some of his future income.
I really like DJ, but if they can't get together put him on the market and see if you can get enough for him to make it worth trading him. I agree with this.. DJ hasnt even done it for 2 years... |
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