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Post by equilibrium on Jul 17, 2018 7:59:23 GMT -7
Crazy how Le’Veon Bell is younger than David Johnson.
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Post by monsterike on Jul 17, 2018 8:12:23 GMT -7
We should be happy that Bell didn't sign that contract as DJ doesn't have that as a reference when negotiating with the Cards.
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Post by Lopez on Jul 17, 2018 10:33:55 GMT -7
Man, Cards fans really sleeping on DJ...
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Post by knobby on Jul 17, 2018 11:24:44 GMT -7
Man, Cards fans really sleeping on DJ...
Maybe because he dumped his halo. Who is the real DJ - the fan favorite and humble worker, or the money comes first Me My Mine dictator?
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Jul 17, 2018 11:28:24 GMT -7
the greed of players is just never ending...I was hoping that bell would get the money he wanted in a long term deal and then to watch him get beat up every game as the steelers had no money for blockers. its simply ridiculous for dj to want the big money now-he has been hurt too much. I would rather have a great ol and an average rb. I said this before about Rodgers-when he signs his 30 mil+/year deal sooner or later the packers will run out of money to pay other players. the salary cap for 2018 is 177mil and change. qb gets 25, rb and top wr get 15 each, best ol gets 12, best corner gets 12, pass rusher gets 12...that leaves 86(if my maths right) for 47 players with their average salary around 1.84 mil/year. we will see LOTS of rookies playing signifigant time and older vets will be playing for less or retire until the new cba in 3 years. the nfl landscape is going to change a lot and I fear that it will be for the worse. I see a future nfl where there are no contracts longer than 4 years and every year there will be huge roster turnover-kinda like college fb.
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Post by Zaz on Jul 17, 2018 12:14:50 GMT -7
Man, Cards fans really sleeping on DJ...
or the money comes first Me My Mine dictator?
Thats a terrible perspective. Youre calling him a selfish bad person for trying to provide for his family. If DJ got a career ending concussion today, his career earnings are $2,263,372. How much money do you think hes made the Cardinals and NFL? 100's of millions at least. Have some understanding of context. DJ isnt some 8 year pro whos got 30M in the bank and hes holding out for another raise. DJ is the face of the AZ cardinals, and hes currently renting a small house in Chandler. He wants a little security that he currently doesnt have. That must be a crazy feeling driving down the street seeing your face on all the billboards and commercials, and knowing you get paid less than the punter. |
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Jul 17, 2018 12:54:14 GMT -7
or the money comes first Me My Mine dictator?
Thats a terrible perspective. Youre calling him a selfish bad person for trying to provide for his family. If DJ got a career ending concussion today, his career earnings are $2,263,372. How much money do you think hes made the Cardinals and NFL? 100's of millions at least. Have some understanding of context. DJ isnt some 8 year pro whos got 30M in the bank and hes holding out for another raise. DJ is the face of the AZ cardinals, and hes currently renting a small house in Chandler. He wants a little security that he currently doesnt have. That must be a crazy feeling driving down the street seeing your face on all the billboards and commercials, and knowing you get paid less than the punter. |
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Jul 17, 2018 13:04:29 GMT -7
Thats a terrible perspective. Youre calling him a selfish bad person for trying to provide for his family. If DJ got a career ending concussion today, his career earnings are $2,263,372. How much money do you think hes made the Cardinals and NFL? 100's of millions at least. Have some understanding of context. DJ isnt some 8 year pro whos got 30M in the bank and hes holding out for another raise. DJ is the face of the AZ cardinals, and hes currently renting a small house in Chandler. He wants a little security that he currently doesnt have. That must be a crazy feeling driving down the street seeing your face on all the billboards and commercials, and knowing you get paid less than the punter. really...2.2 mil isn't ENOUGH to make any family secure? 2 adults and one child need a 30 room mansion? they need $5000 dresses and shoes? they need 10 cars/trucks? oh, I get it-they need more money to feed their child. its always about greed and ego! those guys with 30 mil or more in the bank are worse. |
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Post by knobby on Jul 17, 2018 13:35:02 GMT -7
or the money comes first Me My Mine dictator?
Thats a terrible perspective. Youre calling him a selfish bad person for trying to provide for his family. If DJ got a career ending concussion today, his career earnings are $2,263,372. How much money do you think hes made the Cardinals and NFL? 100's of millions at least. Have some understanding of context. DJ isnt some 8 year pro whos got 30M in the bank and hes holding out for another raise. DJ is the face of the AZ cardinals, and hes currently renting a small house in Chandler. He wants a little security that he currently doesnt have. That must be a crazy feeling driving down the street seeing your face on all the billboards and commercials, and knowing you get paid less than the punter. Read it again. It was a question of which is he. A Jekyll or Hyde question. I understand risk is involved and so does he. He signed the contract. Blame the CBA for his near poverty. (small joke) Hundreds of millions? No need to overstate to make a point.
I am understanding - and firm about contracts having meaning and irritated by holdouts.
Do you expect to have that kind of money ten years from now? Twenty? Thirty? I'm hinting that most of us would be happy enough getting the contract amount for two partial years work and one year nursing a wrist injury plus one more earning year to come. Do you think he might be able to invest some and have a continual but smaller income for life?
You know and all of us know that he will get more money, more than enough to salve any feeling of being held hostage with his "face on all billboards and commercials" - of which he is one, not the only example. We don't know if it will be the Cardinals who pay it, or some other team, or how soon. I'm guessing it will be the Cards because there will be an agreement.
OK, so he lives in a modest rented home. Very sensible, and a hopeful sign that it is the agent playing chicken, not so much DJ personally. But his agent is his employee . . . so he could presumably cause the negotiations to be equitable and with a faster agreement, and participate in practices in an effort to help the team while making his wishes known.
And the old pro veteran punter is not a lock to remain. Probable, but not certain. I get your point though. Again, blame the CBA and the players who negotiated it.
Maybe you should change careers and become a sports agent. I can almost picture it in my mind . . . . . 
PS - when I say partial years, I mean the approx. 6 months devoted exclusively to football per annum by players.
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Post by Zaz on Jul 17, 2018 14:08:15 GMT -7
That must be a crazy feeling driving down the street seeing your face on all the billboards and commercials, and knowing you get paid less than the punter. really...2.2 mil isn't ENOUGH to make any family secure? 2 adults and one child need a 30 room mansion? they need $5000 dresses and shoes? they need 10 cars/trucks? oh, I get it-they need more money to feed their child. its always about greed and ego! those guys with 30 mil or more in the bank are worse. Its a matter of the value of your work. His value to the AZ Cardinals is worth 15M+ per year. But hes getting paid under 2M. Forget the NFL. This is a simple concept that can be applied to any job. Say youre a technician at some company. You get paid $50,000. Thats plenty to live on. But all the other technicians get paid $150,000. The value of your work is 150k. But youre paid 50k. Theres nothing greedy about seeking what youre worth. Thats what men do. Jerkoffs sit back and let themselves be walked over. |
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Jul 17, 2018 18:33:42 GMT -7
Its a matter of the value of your work. His value to the AZ Cardinals is worth 15M+ per year. But hes getting paid under 2M. Forget the NFL. This is a simple concept that can be applied to any job. Say youre a technician at some company. You get paid $50,000. Thats plenty to live on. But all the other technicians get paid $150,000. The value of your work is 150k. But youre paid 50k. Theres nothing greedy about seeking what youre worth. Thats what men do. Jerkoffs sit back and let themselves be walked over. |
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Jul 17, 2018 18:39:10 GMT -7
pro athletes aren't the only ones driven by the need to have MORE than anybody else...the greed of union labor almost caused Chrysler to go under. that's human nature...so many of us value ourselves by how much money we have. the guy making 50 k deserves a bit more maybe, but the guys making 150k are unhappy that they don't make 200k. as far as dl I love him as a player, but just cant see paying him big bucks unless he can stay on the field.
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Post by rdo3 on Jul 17, 2018 19:10:53 GMT -7
this actually helps the cards. he is going to hit free agency the same year as bell making Johnson plan b for every team looking for a running back. remember how good DeMarco murry was with the cowboys? he retied last week and it seems like he and addax just started in the nfl.
and for those saying he over produced he also very much under produced. he had 17 yards rushing last year. how much money did he give back? if we over pay him we cant pay rosen or rosens linemen, the real future of the team. his best year was 2016. he wasn't the best running back in the nfl that year. he wasn't 2nd best. he wasn't top 5. he was #7. in 2015 he was #32 last year he was #178. average it out. he's like the 72nd best running back in the nfl for the last 3 years total. his best year he wasn't top 5. his worst year he wasn't top 100. he is not going to demand a lot in free agency. the cards don't have to franchise him, they only have to transition him to get right of 1st refusal. that will cost the cards about 8.9 mill for the year. salaries for running backs have been going down not up. bell will probably sign next year for less than the steelers offered him this year. he's going to have 1 less year he can be productive before he can retire.
todd gurly will be a free agent also knocking dj down to plan c at best. not every team is going to want a running back. the ones who do are gonna want bell and gurly more so dj will at best get #3 money, much easier for the cards to match. most teams are going to look at how many yards their own running back has rush for in the last 4 years next year and compare dj's 4 year total against that. his average right now is #72 for the past 3 years. if he has a good year he might break top 50 in rushing yards. in a league of 32 team how many are not going to have a top 50 player? probably none. why break the bank to get dj when the player you already have much cheaper, isn't holding out, has actually out produced dj over the past 4 years?
seeking what he's worth zaz? that's not what dj is doing. dj is the #72 best running back in the nfl. you can claim what you want but the numbers prove dj has spent more time suttung in the bench and sitting out than helping the team. so far he has backup rb numbers and maybe even 3rd string numbers. his numbers will drop from here on out with the cards as they drastically shorten the passing game sucking the corners and safties up much closer to the line of scrimmage. dj's passing yards? in the short game a tight end is gonna get those attempts. his value is not 15 mill a year, not even close. if the cards transition dj my guess is they have to match 5 mill a year. now if the cards were jeroffs maybe they would pay the #72 running back in the nfl like he was top 3 and let dj just walk all over them. but real men would demand they get their moneys worth, that he earns what he's paid. dj is not holding out for an incentive based contract where he will be paid what he earns. he is holding out for a garentee that he will be paid miney he has no chance to ever earn. so far he's been paid like a punter, like a player who spends most of their time on the bench? look at his numbers, he has spent most of his time on the bench. why shouldn't he be paid like it?
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Jul 18, 2018 5:49:46 GMT -7
or the money comes first Me My Mine dictator?
Thats a terrible perspective. Youre calling him a selfish bad person for trying to provide for his family. If DJ got a career ending concussion today, his career earnings are $2,263,372. How much money do you think hes made the Cardinals and NFL? 100's of millions at least. Have some understanding of context. DJ isnt some 8 year pro whos got 30M in the bank and hes holding out for another raise. DJ is the face of the AZ cardinals, and hes currently renting a small house in Chandler. He wants a little security that he currently doesnt have. That must be a crazy feeling driving down the street seeing your face on all the billboards and commercials, and knowing you get paid less than the punter. I think MB will watch him closely and make sure DJ remains a cardinal. |
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Post by Boomer on Jul 18, 2018 7:01:59 GMT -7
Big issue here is if he can produce again under a new HC, OC and OL. I think you either get him to sign an incentive laden contract in light of his not playing last season and the newness of our offense or let him start the season and see if he is the player we all think he is and extend him mid season.
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