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Post by One_Heartbeat on Aug 20, 2019 10:53:45 GMT -7
We totally lucked into Arians and had a nice run. Arians gets out SK and Bidwill hire an inexperienced HC to change the culture. Complete fail. They hire an inexperienced HC to change the culture... Move up to draft a QB dump him for a song to draft a QB... This isn't management this is throwing stuff against the wall to see what will stick. Bidwill is a perfect example of evolution and the Peter principle all wrapped up in a neat package. Had a nice regular season run, for three out of five years. As super awesome as Arians was, he wasn't committed all the way. Thunderfoot Butler, Amos the Incompetent, all been discussed at length. You either commit to win it all or you don't. Can't be a little bit pregnant. At least Bidwill self promoted himself so he Peter Principled himself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 13:32:43 GMT -7
I'm sure to be in the extreme minority when I say this, but I think never ending support of a team can play a key part in a team's ultimate success. It's like home field advantage for example. If they have a strong fan base cheering them on even in a losing cause (like for example having been eliminated early on from postseason) it can make a difference not only where player performance is concerned but could also motivate a stronger performance where the front office is concerned. The Boston Red Sox for example sell out virtually every season regardless and last I heard continues to have a waiting list for season tickets. The Mets use to be a laughing stock especially if you were a Yankees fan. I see Michael Bidwill as committed to and capable of building a winning team, more so than his dad. We've seen flashes of it and I don't think it's out of the question that one of these times a winning momentum can complete the course. We were on track for being the first team ever to host a SB at home before we ended up on crutches and limped into postseason contention only to be eliminated. That's football, those are the breaks, but those breaks can go both ways. So maybe I'm just a die hard homer but I root for this team every year and during every week of the season even after they may have pissed me off about something. Being a fan to me is not limited to winning, it's also about optimism based on the prospects......the same optimism as "any given sunday". Just my two cents worth.
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Post by biggs on Aug 20, 2019 14:10:47 GMT -7
I'm sure to be in the extreme minority when I say this, but I think never ending support of a team can play a key part in a team's ultimate success. It's like home field advantage for example. If they have a strong fan base cheering them on even in a losing cause (like for example having been eliminated early on from postseason) it can make a difference not only where player performance is concerned but could also motivate a stronger performance where the front office is concerned. The Boston Red Sox for example sell out virtually every season regardless and last I heard continues to have a waiting list for season tickets. The Mets use to be a laughing stock especially if you were a Yankees fan. I see Michael Bidwill as committed to and capable of building a winning team, more so than his dad. We've seen flashes of it and I don't think it's out of the question that one of these times a winning momentum can complete the course. We were on track for being the first team ever to host a SB at home before we ended up on crutches and limped into postseason contention only to be eliminated. That's football, those are the breaks, but those breaks can go both ways. So maybe I'm just a die hard homer but I root for this team every year and during every week of the season even after they may have pissed me off about something. Being a fan to me is not limited to winning, it's also about optimism based on the prospects......the same optimism as "any given sunday". Just my two cents worth. When I lived in Boston there were 5,000 fans in the seat. You could walk into a game in the 3rd inning buy bleacher seats and sit anywhere. The Yankees were a dying organization when Steinbrenner bought them. The Mets were always well supported, they built a new stadium right in the heart of 5 million people without easy access to the South Bronx, who mostly grew up with the Brooklyn Dodgers. Nostalgia got them through the early years. I grew up a Jets fan because when I was young they had a dynamic team built around Joe Namath and that fan base that was built in that 5 year period has lasted 50 years. You need talent, coaching, management and a big open bar. The fan base will develop. The stadium was rocking a few years ago.
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Post by vwvectors on Aug 20, 2019 14:12:45 GMT -7
I think Bidwill has proved to be just an average owner. SK is below average imo for every good move he made he makes two bad ones. I’m old school in thinking the game is won or lost in the trenches. I prescribe to spending the bulk of our cap on protecting or QB & getting to theirs. How many years were we clamoring for a LT & now we not one all pro OL. It’s just as bad on the other side of the ball the talent cupboard is almost empty. Hopefully SK learns from this cause I don’t think he is getting fired anytime soon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 14:49:48 GMT -7
I get a little bit of Jerry Jones vibe with MB - as in he seems to really want to be involved with everything, especially personnel. That being said, I am not a fan of JJ and don't think that MB is near that bad, but the same sort of idea.
for JJ, it never really worked without Jimmy. And I don't think SK is anywhere near Jimmy. I think Keim overall is an asset, just not someone who should be the top dog.
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Post by One_Heartbeat on Aug 20, 2019 17:35:50 GMT -7
I'm sure to be in the extreme minority when I say this, but I think never ending support of a team can play a key part in a team's ultimate success. It's like home field advantage for example. If they have a strong fan base cheering them on even in a losing cause (like for example having been eliminated early on from postseason) it can make a difference not only where player performance is concerned but could also motivate a stronger performance where the front office is concerned. The Boston Red Sox for example sell out virtually every season regardless and last I heard continues to have a waiting list for season tickets. The Mets use to be a laughing stock especially if you were a Yankees fan. I see Michael Bidwill as committed to and capable of building a winning team, more so than his dad. We've seen flashes of it and I don't think it's out of the question that one of these times a winning momentum can complete the course. We were on track for being the first team ever to host a SB at home before we ended up on crutches and limped into postseason contention only to be eliminated. That's football, those are the breaks, but those breaks can go both ways. So maybe I'm just a die hard homer but I root for this team every year and during every week of the season even after they may have pissed me off about something. Being a fan to me is not limited to winning, it's also about optimism based on the prospects......the same optimism as "any given sunday". Just my two cents worth. I used to believe that, not anymore. I would say he wants to win. But he won't make the necessary commitment to win, and therefore isn't capable of winning.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Aug 21, 2019 3:27:13 GMT -7
another take: luck plays a part also. jj's cowboys would have been a completely different team without the herschel walker trade. if nate poole drops mcknown's pass, cards draft eli manning. if carson doesnt get hurt twice cards could have won a sb or 3. if saints didnt have bounty on warner that team cudda won a sb.
at the time i was completely against the hiring of wilks(because he was gonna use the 4-3), letting gabbert/stanton go in favor of bradford/glennon, hated the free agent oline signings of pugh/smith, and the hiring of mccoy as oc. almost none of sk/mb's moves before last year worked out. with that many failures in one offseason no team is gonna be good.
now, mb/sk have made a bunch of moves in one offseason again: new hc, new staff, drafting km, gonna use the air raid, still havent upgraded the oline, and havent replaced talent on the defensive side. unless almost all of these moves work out team is gonna be lousy again.
and for those who say "it doesnt matter how bad the oline is because we have km" : no disrespect but yall are just wrong. raider game was just a small dose of what defenses are gonna do to cards oline this year. regardless of what offensive scheme is being used-it all starts and ends with the oline.
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Post by jonlp24 on Aug 21, 2019 4:20:58 GMT -7
We totally lucked into Arians and had a nice run. Arians gets out SK and Bidwill hire an inexperienced HC to change the culture. Complete fail. They hire an inexperienced HC to change the culture... Move up to draft a QB dump him for a song to draft a QB... This isn't management this is throwing stuff against the wall to see what will stick. Bidwill is a perfect example of evolution and the Peter principle all wrapped up in a neat package. In the year we hired Arians we first wanted Andy Reid. He was scheduled to fly into Phoenix on a Monday morning but KC flew to Philly that weekend and sequestered Reid and wouldn't let him leave until he signed. That's how proactive organizations work. Arians was rejected by everyone as were the Cards in searching for a coach that off season. Both were left with each other and it turned out real well for a short period of time. Arians always has a short shelf life as he can never see the big picture, more interested in being loyal to his assistants and former players. The next coach , Wilks, gave Keim and Bidwill some sort of Denzel Washington type speech to earn a job he never was qualified for. He operated a 4-3 scheme that would never work here. In the pressor when they fired Wilks Keim talked about the poor fit of this defense for the personnel on our team. But only Keim/Bidwill would have known that going into hiring wilks. Wilks never really knew our personnel coming in here. It was Keim/Bidwill's fault not Wilks in that respect. But Wilks was perhaps the worst coach I've ever seen . Our team last year was never prepared in any way to win. Talent wise we were probably at least 2-3 wins better then our record. We were smoked in way too many games. In the beginning of his tenure Keim made a great trade for Carson Palmer and made a few other astute pickups of players . Long term in building a team you need to draft well in the NFL. He's way below average and that's why we are in last place overall. Wilks was more qualified than Kingsbury who was fired from Texas Tech. He had terrible offensive coordinators and a bad roster. Plus changing from 3-4 to 4-3 was never supposed to be overnight. He was the scapegoat for Keim's personnel moves.
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Post by aris on Aug 21, 2019 10:32:53 GMT -7
In the year we hired Arians we first wanted Andy Reid. He was scheduled to fly into Phoenix on a Monday morning but KC flew to Philly that weekend and sequestered Reid and wouldn't let him leave until he signed. That's how proactive organizations work. Arians was rejected by everyone as were the Cards in searching for a coach that off season. Both were left with each other and it turned out real well for a short period of time. Arians always has a short shelf life as he can never see the big picture, more interested in being loyal to his assistants and former players. The next coach , Wilks, gave Keim and Bidwill some sort of Denzel Washington type speech to earn a job he never was qualified for. He operated a 4-3 scheme that would never work here. In the pressor when they fired Wilks Keim talked about the poor fit of this defense for the personnel on our team. But only Keim/Bidwill would have known that going into hiring wilks. Wilks never really knew our personnel coming in here. It was Keim/Bidwill's fault not Wilks in that respect. But Wilks was perhaps the worst coach I've ever seen . Our team last year was never prepared in any way to win. Talent wise we were probably at least 2-3 wins better then our record. We were smoked in way too many games. In the beginning of his tenure Keim made a great trade for Carson Palmer and made a few other astute pickups of players . Long term in building a team you need to draft well in the NFL. He's way below average and that's why we are in last place overall. Wilks was more qualified than Kingsbury who was fired from Texas Tech. He had terrible offensive coordinators and a bad roster. Plus changing from 3-4 to 4-3 was never supposed to be overnight. He was the scapegoat for Keim's personnel moves. Wilks is and never will be a head coach in this league. He was the worst coach I've ever seen. Completely outmatched on every level. And who hired him? Yea that guy. As far as KK. It's largely unknown until we see his work. Is he an offensive genius ala Sean McVie? Remains to be seen.
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Post by jonlp24 on Aug 21, 2019 10:54:34 GMT -7
Wilks was more qualified than Kingsbury who was fired from Texas Tech. He had terrible offensive coordinators and a bad roster. Plus changing from 3-4 to 4-3 was never supposed to be overnight. He was the scapegoat for Keim's personnel moves. Wilks is and never will be a head coach in this league. He was the worst coach I've ever seen. Completely outmatched on every level. And who hired him? Yea that guy. As far as KK. It's largely unknown until we see his work. Is he an offensive genius ala Sean McVie? Remains to be seen. I seen Dave McGinnis and he had a lot more time & talent to work with but the players loved him.
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Post by One_Heartbeat on Aug 21, 2019 12:52:31 GMT -7
Wilks is and never will be a head coach in this league. He was the worst coach I've ever seen. Completely outmatched on every level. And who hired him? Yea that guy. As far as KK. It's largely unknown until we see his work. Is he an offensive genius ala Sean McVie? Remains to be seen. I seen Dave McGinnis and he had a lot more time & talent to work with but the players loved him. They loved him so much they got him fired. McGinnis' last team in 2003 did a great job going on the road and making one-day heroes out of nobodies, and giving fans in those cities (Cleveland, etc.) a one-day reprieve from their misery.
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Post by biggs on Aug 23, 2019 6:22:30 GMT -7
Rosen actually looked pretty good last night. He escaped the pocket and threw a beautiful downfield completion and had a couple of first down runs in a nice 99 yard TD drive. He looked really confident at the LOS. Looks like he grew up a lot since last year.
Miami has no OL but I think Rosen, even if it doesn't work out in Miami is finally getting coaching. Amazing how coaching and talent can make a difference.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 9:56:37 GMT -7
This is my opinion and my opinion only. So please understand that while reading my comment below lol
This organization is just bad, it has always been bad. The best years this team had was because of a QB. Not because of years of building a good team through the draft or FA. They hired Warner to try to mentor Leinart, that was it. Everyone thought Warners career was over. Then when Arians came, it was because Palmer was under center. The team sucked prior to Palmer coming to town. Oh and before Warner, the team was really bad, last time they made the playoffs was when they went 8-8 in the late 90's with Jake Plummer under center. Bottom line, this team was always bad until a legitimate QB came into town.
People want to blame SK or the coaches, but the previous FO was just as bad and failed miserably. There is only 1 common denominator throughout all these years and that is the ownership. We have to stop blaming the FO and coaches, because what usually happens is they get fired, we get excited for the next hire and they will fail too. I just cant sit here and think that this organization hires so many bad GM's and coaches. So it has to be with the ownership.
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Post by Rimrock on Aug 23, 2019 15:38:45 GMT -7
This is my opinion and my opinion only. So please understand that while reading my comment below lol This organization is just bad, it has always been bad. The best years this team had was because of a QB. Not because of years of building a good team through the draft or FA. They hired Warner to try to mentor Leinart, that was it. Everyone thought Warners career was over. Then when Arians came, it was because Palmer was under center. The team sucked prior to Palmer coming to town. Oh and before Warner, the team was really bad, last time they made the playoffs was when they went 8-8 in the late 90's with Jake Plummer under center. Bottom line, this team was always bad until a legitimate QB came into town. People want to blame SK or the coaches, but the previous FO was just as bad and failed miserably. There is only 1 common denominator throughout all these years and that is the ownership. We have to stop blaming the FO and coaches, because what usually happens is they get fired, we get excited for the next hire and they will fail too. I just cant sit here and think that this organization hires so many bad GM's and coaches. So it has to be with the ownership. Yup...totally agree
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Post by End Zone on Aug 24, 2019 3:59:18 GMT -7
Rosen actually looked pretty good last night. He escaped the pocket and threw a beautiful downfield completion and had a couple of first down runs in a nice 99 yard TD drive. He looked really confident at the LOS. Looks like he grew up a lot since last year. Miami has no OL but I think Rosen, even if it doesn't work out in Miami is finally getting coaching. Amazing how coaching and talent can make a difference. Rosen will be MIA's starter by game 9. Maybe earlier. Fitz-man always fades.
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