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Post by cardinalsins on Oct 7, 2024 19:41:54 GMT -7
Meh. What does he know?
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Post by CardSunsCard on Oct 8, 2024 12:47:01 GMT -7
This is only my opinion, but I get tired of people saying KM pouts when things go wrong. Did anyone see Purdy on the bench when he threw that interception. To me at least, he was showing the same type of emotions that people criticize KM for. Is he a pouter too? I'm not a psychologist, but I think too many make more out of this than what is necessary. What exactly is he supposed to do? Smile, yell at people, or jump up and down and say I can do better. Honestly, I don't know. The best answer is to blow it off and win the game....he and others did just that. Go Cards!!!! I've never understood the 'pouting' complaint. Of all the things to criticize it might be the most laughable. For starters, who knows what facial expressions mean. I have 'resting bastaxxx face' and it's heriditary. Brother and dad had it to. People assume we are angry when we are happy. Because apparently, if you don't smile, everyone things you're mad. And what makes us mad is idiots trying to tell us we feel the opposite of how we are actually feeling all because they judge us by their eyes. Reminds me of the old saying, "Feelings aren't facts." Thing is, no QB is going to be happy after tossing INTs, or losing. And I'd be a lot more upset if a QB was laughing on the sideline. The QB should be pissed off, and so maybe what some view as sulking is just how that person looks when pissed off. The only thing I would care about is if the QB isn't looking at film afterwards to see why they made a mistake. We didn't have ipads when I was a QB, but if it were me, I'd have gone to sideline afterwards, grabbed an iPad, skee daddled to a bench, by myself, and been looking at the previous play to see what I missed, if anything. What bothered me was teammates coming by patting me on shoulder cheering me on with "you'll get em next time." Most QBs just want to be left alone to blow of steam. Only caveat I can think of is if INT was caused by miscommunication where a WR ran a route different than what I expected them to run. If that happened, I'd want the WR responsible next to me so we could check the tape together. Point out why I saw what I did, or why they saw what they did. Discuss it and move on. But everyone else just needs to leave the QB alone. And not judge the QB for emotions he may not even feel. The only person other than a WR that has any room to even sit next to the QB is an offensive coordinator. Or captain of defense walking by, maybe saying, "no worries, we'll get the ball back for you." Latter is about the only thing any QB wants to hear. |
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Post by End Zone on Oct 8, 2024 13:06:08 GMT -7
I will put this thread to bed for the year when Murray rips off 5-6 wins in a row. Otherwise, the question is legit, and the thread stays put. If anyone is asking....
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Post by cardinalsins on Oct 8, 2024 13:15:49 GMT -7
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Post by fitz11fan on Oct 8, 2024 13:29:34 GMT -7
Remember people who stick to their opinions over facts can’t be reasoned with.
I understand some of the Kyler bashing but name one…just one QB available in this next draft that has more talent or is better than Kyler… there isn’t one.
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Post by Dry Heat on Oct 8, 2024 17:37:16 GMT -7
You always show with data and charts what I try to say with words. Aussie and some others won’t agree, but as I’ve said we are not in an age of Manning, Brees, young Rodgers and Manning. Kyler is top 10. |
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Post by MT Diesel on Oct 8, 2024 18:44:03 GMT -7
You always show with data and charts what I try to say with words. Aussie and some others won’t agree, but as I’ve said we are not in an age of Manning, Brees, young Rodgers and Manning. Kyler is top 10. Then there is that horrible QB at #21 and his bad hair cut ...can someone start a gofundme account to get Mahomes an appointment at a barber. |
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Post by redbirdwatcher on Oct 8, 2024 20:37:44 GMT -7
Too much data.
Too many meaningless abbreviations that I have no idea what they mean or show?🫤
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Post by knobby on Oct 8, 2024 21:35:25 GMT -7
Too much data. Too many meaningless abbreviations that I have no idea what they mean or show?🫤 Yep, and "adjustments" which can be subjective - IMHO
But good for discussion fodder, and one take on QB ratings.
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Post by End Zone on Oct 8, 2024 23:38:58 GMT -7
Would Cardinals fans prefer #1 Joe Burrow? #10 Kyler Murray? Or #21 Patrick Mahomes?
Ignoring history is hard. The only SB winner is #21. He's most fan's favorite. #1 and #10 have incredible potential.
For me, physical size also matters. In a nameless size process, I'd rank #21 over #10 and #1. In a new Draft, I'd pick Burrow, Mahomes, and then Murray. I am on record being 50/50 on keeping Murray after the 2025 season regardless of his W/L and trophy record.
I hope this adds value to the "done" chatter.
EZ
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Post by CardSunsCard on Oct 9, 2024 12:23:42 GMT -7
Remember people who stick to their opinions over facts can’t be reasoned with. I understand some of the Kyler bashing but name one…just one QB available in this next draft that has more talent or is better than Kyler… there isn’t one. While I'm not a huge fan of the next year's QB crop some might think the Texas QB is better. And I'm not talking about Manning. |
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Post by CardSunsCard on Oct 9, 2024 12:29:13 GMT -7
Would Cardinals fans prefer #1 Joe Burrow? #10 Kyler Murray? Or #21 Patrick Mahomes? Ignoring history is hard. The only SB winner is #21. He's most fan's favorite. #1 and #10 have incredible potential. For me, physical size also matters. In a nameless size process, I'd rank #21 over #10 and #1. In a new Draft, I'd pick Burrow, Mahomes, and then Murray. I am on record being 50/50 on keeping Murray after the 2025 season regardless of his W/L and trophy record. I hope this adds value to the "done" chatter. EZ I'm in the same boat as you. Last year I said you give Murray another year, but at same time realized if you don't think he's your dude, that was the draft to take a QB. Next year, there aren't really many QB's even worth taking and I'm not sure I'd even consider anyone except the Georgia or Texas QB. Not even sure I want either of them and since I think Murray can at least play 0.500 ball, if healthy, there's no reason not to keep him around another year so long as he plays 0.500 ball this year. He's not a top QB, IMO, but I do think he's probably in the 10 to 14 range, which is good enough to sneak us into playoffs if we focus more on defense next draft. If it were me, I'd build up our entire defense and set myself up to potentially take Manning, the back up at Texas. He's got another two years of eligibility so I don't even know that he will come out the year after next, but he might be the guy you mortgage everything for if he develops at comes out around time Kyler's contract is almost up. The other thing to consider is building up entire defense in draft next year then finding yourself a Veteran QB to compete with Murray. Maybe you get lucky finding a guy like Nick Foles (from Super Bowl year) and the guy replaces an injured Murray and wins us the SB. I've always preferred Vet QB's anyways, older guys with something left to prove like Testaverde back in the day. Or an Aging Montana or Young |
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Post by End Zone on Oct 9, 2024 12:51:26 GMT -7
Would Cardinals fans prefer #1 Joe Burrow? #10 Kyler Murray? Or #21 Patrick Mahomes? Ignoring history is hard. The only SB winner is #21. He's most fan's favorite. #1 and #10 have incredible potential. For me, physical size also matters. In a nameless size process, I'd rank #21 over #10 and #1. In a new Draft, I'd pick Burrow, Mahomes, and then Murray. I am on record being 50/50 on keeping Murray after the 2025 season regardless of his W/L and trophy record. I hope this adds value to the "done" chatter. EZ I'm in the same boat as you. Last year I said you give Murray another year, but at same time realized if you don't think he's your dude, that was the draft to take a QB. Next year, there aren't really many QB's even worth taking and I'm not sure I'd even consider anyone except the Georgia or Texas QB. Not even sure I want either of them and since I think Murray can at least play 0.500 ball, if healthy, there's no reason not to keep him around another year so long as he plays 0.500 ball this year. He's not a top QB, IMO, but I do think he's probably in the 10 to 14 range, which is good enough to sneak us into playoffs if we focus more on defense next draft. If it were me, I'd build up our entire defense and set myself up to potentially take Manning, the back up at Texas. He's got another two years of eligibility so I don't even know that he will come out the year after next, but he might be the guy you mortgage everything for if he develops at comes out around time Kyler's contract is almost up. The other thing to consider is building up entire defense in draft next year then finding yourself a Veteran QB to compete with Murray. Maybe you get lucky finding a guy like Nick Foles (from Super Bowl year) and the guy replaces an injured Murray and wins us the SB. I've always preferred Vet QB's anyways, older guys with something left to prove like Testaverde back in the day. Or an Aging Montana or Young CSC, A couple years spent building the Defense would do wonders for the Cardinals. Edge, Corners, LB, DL, you name it, the positions are all wanting for top talent. If Murray's days at the Cardinals end after the 2025 or 2026 seasons, I also don't see a rookie QB beating Murray's projected .500 W/L record those years--that includes Mr. Manning at TEX. By March 2026, another team might have to jettison an expensive veteran QB and the Cardinals might have the CAP cash to beat other offers, similar to what we've seen happen in the past, e.g., Manning jumping over to DEN and then winning a SB for the Broncos. EZ |
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Post by cardinalsins on Oct 9, 2024 15:52:29 GMT -7
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Post by cardinalsdo on Oct 9, 2024 16:12:12 GMT -7
When the Cardinals struggle, my first criticism is toward the lack of an inside running game and a lack of quality run blocking. That's where the fans' focus needs to be. Too much is placed on Kyler Murray. They fail to realize that any good QB will struggle when you can't run the ball and provide protection.
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