|
|
Post by Dry Heat on Oct 5, 2024 11:54:54 GMT -7
Not true I have rewatched every game and saw on many occasions that wr's were open he just simply didn't pull the trigger and he was watching the Wr that he locked on too long and if he was better at going through his progressions he would see open wr's. he has a bad habit of sticking too long on a wr missing open receivers other then the one he is locked on or he bails out of plays takes himself out of position to make a good throw. I saw your link but didn't really pay it much mind knowing what I saw on video. Sometimes qb's have narrow wqindows or they throw the wr open and he can't seem to do it well enough. Thursday night cousins looked really good he anticipated wr's and threw to a spot his wr could get it Kyler can't do that. It's down to this, petzing is gonna draw up a better gameplan and KM is gonna have to do better or else. Were there plays where guy's were not open yes it happens but I found open wr's repeatedly that he didn't throw to or some he missed his window on. They are ranked poorly via PFF and ESPN metrics. Vs peers. Objectively poor. Take a look at the Vikings offense in comparison. Or the 9ers. Oh...and with some of the league's worst time to throw. It's fair to be critical of K1...but be aware of how poor this roster is playing everywhere. Paris Johnson Jr has the best ratings of any starter on the Cardinals right now. Murray has the second best. A fantastic 81.1 PFF and one of the top QBR’s. While Game 4 was a mess for Kyler (and everyone else) I just do not get the Kyler blame. QBs always get the blame I suppose. |
|
|
|
Post by knobby on Oct 5, 2024 13:31:48 GMT -7
QBs always get the blame I suppose. Yep. The best pay, the most expected, the least allowance for mistakes. The main problem KM has IMO is seeing enough right after the snap. That is a physical limitation he cannot change. The secondary problem is, as Redbird noted, locking onto a single receiver on pass plays after being able to see the field better AND after more precious time has passed, then being forced to throw or run because defense pressure is on him. By that time receivers are either open or well covered - most often the latter. Receivers who may be open early are missed entirely before he can see them. If he were better able and had time to see, he could/should release the ball when a receiver ABOUT to come open, not after. Too often an opening will close again as defensive help arrives, and a late arriving ball is either contested or intercepted. I'm not sure KM can recognize the coverage clues since he has probably had the same vision problem since peewee ball, or he may never have been taught how to look for them, so perhaps it is a moot point to make, now. IMHO and not guaranteed to be purely factual. |
|
|
|
Post by Dry Heat on Oct 5, 2024 14:30:28 GMT -7
QBs always get the blame I suppose. Yep. The best pay, the most expected, the least allowance for mistakes. The main problem KM has IMO is seeing enough right after the snap. That is a physical limitation he cannot change. The secondary problem is, as Redbird noted, locking onto a single receiver on pass plays after being able to see the field better AND after more precious time has passed, then being forced to throw or run because defence pressure is on him. By that time receivers are either open or well covered - most often the latter. Receivers who may be open early are missed entirely before he can see them. If he were better able and had time to see, he could/should release the ball when a receiver ABOUT to come open, not after. Too often an opening will close again as defensive help arrives, and a late arriving ball is either contested or intercepted. I'm not sure KM can recognize the coverage clues since he has probably had the same vision problem since peewee ball, or he may never have been taught how to look for them, so perhaps it is a moot point to make, now. IMHO and not guaranteed to be purely factual. I wonder how all these other NFL QBs are doing worse than Kyler with their 3-5” of extra height? |
|
|
|
Post by redbirdwatcher on Oct 5, 2024 16:09:04 GMT -7
I'll say this after that disgraceful loss at home v. Commanders. Jonathan Gannon should not be on the hot seat. Monti Ossenfort or Dave Sears should not be on the hot seat even tho' the new regime's record is now 5-16. It's time to see what this new brass can do with more than just 2 drafts. I've criticized Monti for not spending cap money THIS season but hopefully he has a plan as he's weighs K1's contract in the upcoming years being more cap favorable. It's K1, imo, who's on the hot seat. He needs to be consistent from one game to the next. Murray and Petzing need to be able to call plays and manage clock to help this awful defense which allows opponent scores on almost every drive. Credit to Ralis' calls on the 1st quarter of the Bills game and the second half of the Lions game. Excellent job... both games were relatively close. No credit for the defense or Ralis in the Rams' game as Cardinals were up against Rams' practice squad protecting Stafford. Collins and Gardek taking bows like they were the 2nd coming of Lawrence Taylor. Both of their names haven't been called since the Rams game. It comes down to Murray. He's not a top 10 quarterback. He's not a bottom 10 quarterback. That makes it tough for any organization to know how to proceed for future success. The direction Cardinal brass takes for the organization hinges entirely on Murray's play vs. the 50 mil per. jmo. I think you have to give our defensive coordinator credit for our win over the Rams. I can pretty much guarantee you that you would give him **** if they would have put up 30 or 40 against us. So, give em credit where credit is due. |
|
|
|
Post by knobby on Oct 5, 2024 16:46:08 GMT -7
EDIT: "I wonder how all these other NFL QBs are doing worse than Kyler with their 3-5” of extra height?"
Innate ability differences and team support, presumably, if in fact they are "doing worse". Are you speaking of individual statistics or wins? We are still a low tier NFL team clawing to improve, so how are other QBs doing worse? I don't dispute that KM has a great talent, and only discuss why he has had difficulty since becoming a Cardinal. |
|
|
|
Post by belac44 on Oct 5, 2024 23:42:49 GMT -7
Two weeks ago people were hyping Kyler as top 5 QB. How quickly things change. I do not think they will be trading him, I think he is the QB through 2025. Tune should not even be a #2, no need to see anything from him. You think yesterday was bad, put Tune in and you will really lose the team and fans. They did overspend on defense, just not as much as some fans wanted. They paid too much for the DT’s and the CB. That will hinder them a little, but it could have been worse. It will be interesting to see how Kyler and this staff responds. Dealing with the Kyler that Kliff had to deal with is new to these guys, see if they adjust. Will KM be the starter if the team loses to SF and GB? That's a hard thing to think about. I think downgrading KM to #2 depends on how he does in each game and other factors he cannot control such as FO guidance. If the Cardinals losing streak continues to the end of October, I say there is a 50/50 of significant player and coach changes. I do think the communication between the coaching staff and the players is much improved with Gannon, Inc. The young players are engaged with the older players and coaches. I have seen no bitching and pouting. The 'TEAM' is solid. Everybody will do down with the ship if that's how it ends in Jan. They could lose every game the rest of the season and Tune is not replacing Kyler. |
|
|
|
Post by Redbirdfan62 on Oct 6, 2024 7:58:39 GMT -7
Not true I have rewatched every game and saw on many occasions that wr's were open he just simply didn't pull the trigger and he was watching the Wr that he locked on too long and if he was better at going through his progressions he would see open wr's. he has a bad habit of sticking too long on a wr missing open receivers other then the one he is locked on or he bails out of plays takes himself out of position to make a good throw. I saw your link but didn't really pay it much mind knowing what I saw on video. Sometimes qb's have narrow wqindows or they throw the wr open and he can't seem to do it well enough. Thursday night cousins looked really good he anticipated wr's and threw to a spot his wr could get it Kyler can't do that. It's down to this, petzing is gonna draw up a better gameplan and KM is gonna have to do better or else. Were there plays where guy's were not open yes it happens but I found open wr's repeatedly that he didn't throw to or some he missed his window on. They are ranked poorly via PFF and ESPN metrics. Vs peers. Objectively poor. Take a look at the Vikings offense in comparison. Or the 9ers. Oh...and with some of the league's worst time to throw. It's fair to be critical of K1...but be aware of how poor this roster is playing everywhere. I feel pretty confident in what the tape is saying. People can have different opinions of what they are seeing on tape one thing is constant KM is running the show. He did the same things with proven talent when do the talking realize it could be Kyler ? lol |
|
|
|
Post by Redbirdfan62 on Oct 6, 2024 8:03:05 GMT -7
Will KM be the starter if the team loses to SF and GB? That's a hard thing to think about. I think downgrading KM to #2 depends on how he does in each game and other factors he cannot control such as FO guidance. If the Cardinals losing streak continues to the end of October, I say there is a 50/50 of significant player and coach changes. I do think the communication between the coaching staff and the players is much improved with Gannon, Inc. The young players are engaged with the older players and coaches. I have seen no bitching and pouting. The 'TEAM' is solid. Everybody will do down with the ship if that's how it ends in Jan. They could lose every game the rest of the season and Tune is not replacing Kyler. Tune is not worthy one of the reasons I am so pissed at Monti and coaches no backup plan. |
|
|
|
Post by belac44 on Oct 6, 2024 8:08:12 GMT -7
They could lose every game the rest of the season and Tune is not replacing Kyler. Tune is not worthy one of the reasons I am so pissed at Monti and coaches no backup plan. Well they tried with Ridder, it just did not work. It is not like they totally ignored the issue, they just chose the wrong way to address it. |
|
|
|
Post by Redbirdfan62 on Oct 6, 2024 8:15:15 GMT -7
Tune is not worthy one of the reasons I am so pissed at Monti and coaches no backup plan. Well they tried with Ridder, it just did not work. It is not like they totally ignored the issue, they just chose the wrong way to address it. Ridder is just another nfl bust another reason to not trust the decision makers. The kid wasn't very good either were they hoping it was just the Falcons ? lol |
|
|
|
Post by MT Diesel on Oct 6, 2024 8:46:15 GMT -7
As per QBs that may be done Aaron looks like a 40 plus year old QB who 's body may be failing him. Less dynamic this year and production questionable.
|
|
|
|
Post by Redbirdfan62 on Oct 6, 2024 8:46:52 GMT -7
Tune is not worthy one of the reasons I am so pissed at Monti and coaches no backup plan. Well they tried with Ridder, it just did not work. It is not like they totally ignored the issue, they just chose the wrong way to address it. I may seem like I have given up not totally but I don't see much to latch on to for hope. All I can do is hope that KM and team get it and start doing better but I am a guy that you are what we see. The team is looking like a candidate for another high first round draft choice. We have the rest of the season but if we lose today I see a major tail spin downward. |
|
|
|
Post by belac44 on Oct 6, 2024 8:54:54 GMT -7
Well they tried with Ridder, it just did not work. It is not like they totally ignored the issue, they just chose the wrong way to address it. I may seem like I have given up not totally but I don't see much to latch on to for hope. All I can do is hope that KM and team get it and start doing better but I am a guy that you are what we see. The team is looking like a candidate for another high first round draft choice. We have the rest of the season but if we lose today I see a major tail spin downward. I do not think this team has what it takes to win today. I would think Niners -7 is a good bet. NFL is crazy this year, so who knows. Maybe the crazy hot temps affect the Niners more than us. If we get pushed around by the Skins, I am not too hopeful we can manage one of the most physical teams in NFL. Crazier things have happened, but I expect to be 1-4 after today. Would love to see an angry and fired up Cardinals team, they have just not given a reason to be hopeful for that. |
|
|
|
Post by CardCore on Oct 6, 2024 10:12:56 GMT -7
I may seem like I have given up not totally but I don't see much to latch on to for hope. All I can do is hope that KM and team get it and start doing better but I am a guy that you are what we see. The team is looking like a candidate for another high first round draft choice. We have the rest of the season but if we lose today I see a major tail spin downward. I do not think this team has what it takes to win today. I would think Niners -7 is a good bet. NFL is crazy this year, so who knows. Maybe the crazy hot temps affect the Niners more than us. If we get pushed around by the Skins, I am not too hopeful we can manage one of the most physical teams in NFL. Crazier things have happened, but I expect to be 1-4 after today. Would love to see an angry and fired up Cardinals team, they have just not given a reason to be hopeful for that. I like to imagine the team that showed up to play the Rams (regardless how damaged they were)....can find a way to be resurrected. The 9ers are pretty well damaged today too....not that the Cards are immune from the condition. I sure hope Trey can play today. Dang. I should be a poet.... |
|
|
|
Post by belac44 on Oct 6, 2024 12:13:59 GMT -7
I do not think this team has what it takes to win today. I would think Niners -7 is a good bet. NFL is crazy this year, so who knows. Maybe the crazy hot temps affect the Niners more than us. If we get pushed around by the Skins, I am not too hopeful we can manage one of the most physical teams in NFL. Crazier things have happened, but I expect to be 1-4 after today. Would love to see an angry and fired up Cardinals team, they have just not given a reason to be hopeful for that. I like to imagine the team that showed up to play the Rams (regardless how damaged they were)....can find a way to be resurrected. The 9ers are pretty well damaged today too....not that the Cards are immune from the condition. I sure hope Trey can play today. Dang. I should be a poet.... I’d love for them to surprise me today. A nice hard battle would be great. |
|
