Is Murray Done?

I think I know what KM1 can do both positively and negatively except I would like to know these 3 things:

1) Can Kyler throw a football 62+ yards as his long ball is frequently underthrown ?
2) What happened to more under center snaps and why is there not more bootlegs/rollouts which allows Kyler to have a clear view of the field especially if he rolls out OPPOSITE of the OL flow ?
3) If MHJ was showing the type of Pro game like Jefferson and Chase when they entered the League, this team would easily have 2 more wins.   Wondering ... would it have been better for Monti to have traded the #4 pick to the Vikings for the rumored two (2) 2024 1st rounders and a 2024 third (but allegedly Monti was holding out for an additional either 1st or 2nd round 2025 pick) and then selected WR Brian Thomas of LSU with the lower 1st rounder.    Nothing like having Latu at Edge and WR Brian Thomas right now.   So my question is -- what is MHJ's 40 speed and what kind of 3 cone time would he have had if he would have worked out at the combine &/or OSU  Pro Day ?

If JG had gone for the TD instead of the field goal on the decisive drive ...normally when you have an innovative OC and a dangerous running QB, the chances for a TD are greater than 50/50.   If I were JG, I'd have Petzing watch every one of OC Brian Johnson of the Lions play designs inside the red zone.  In particular on Thanksgiving the Lions ran a beautiful play from the 5 yd line.  The play had Goff fake a pitch out to the left side of the formation to Gibbs (i believe) and when the LB/Safeties took a couple of steps toward the fake then Laporta took 2 steps to the right into the vacated space for an easy TD.

Attention: JG/Drew P. -- take a look at this if you want to know how to get McBride his first TD - Innovative Play Call to get your TE wide open with a CLEAR passing lane

If all those accolades translated into wins for the team, I could also be boggled.

But they don't, and haven't since awarded. Ergo, the thread has merit enough to draw many comments pro and con.

How have Kyler's awards helped the team to succeed, compared to his game performances?
THAT is a more pertinent question than the existence of this thread - IMHO.

Well…let’s go through the check list of what you needed to either do or see to keep him…and see if you agree:

1) Improve his OL…Check…OL has been improved and has protected him much better this year;

2) Get him a #WR…Check…Harrison was drafted in part to give KM a security blanket like he had with Larry and then DHOP…granted…Harrison has a lot of improvement that needs to be made on his routes…his reads…and his chemistry with KM…but you can’t deny that the organization picked this guy to appease their QB;

3) Get him a legit TE…Check…McBride has not only filled that bill and then some…but you can argue that he has become KM’s “go to guy” and more of a security blanket than Harrison;

4) Establish a running game…Check…Conner and the other backs along with the improved OL have been excellent this year in giving KM more balance in the running game than he has ever had;

5) Get him bigger WRs to throw to…Check…Harrison, Wilson, Jones, McBride and Reinman are just that…

6) Get KM under center…Check…this helps the run game and passing attack with better play action ability…and for the most part…the Cardinals have been doing it noticeably more this year…case in point was the Viking game…where the run game and play action game was successful…but when they revert to pure shot gun…case in point the Seahawks game…the offense struggles…putting up only (6) points which is not going to win you any games;

7) Get KM out of pocket more…MINUS…yes KM can throw from the pocket…but not consistently…and not when defenses know that’s where he will be…the OC needs to bootleg him and roll him out more to take advantage of not only his arm but his legs while improving his vision…cause no matter what people want to say or believe…KM does experience vision problems just sitting in the pocket…so you need to adjust more with more play calling outside the pocket or he is doomed for failure against cover 2 defenses that force him to stay within the pocket and be patient doing progressive reads…which he is not good at;

8) KM needs to protect the ball…MINUS…yes…he has learned to protect the ball better when running and getting himself to the ground…and yes…his TD to INT ratio is better as is his overall QBR…but…he still has not learned how…when…and where to throw the ball away. Case in point is obviously the Seattle and Viking game with (2) game changing interceptions and an unnecessary intentional grounding penalty. But there are other times in other games where his initial read is not there and he begins to get “happy feet”, leave the pocket too early to his right, throw off his back foot, or refuse to throw the ball away in order to avoid the sack holding onto the ball too long. So…even though the QBR is better and the TD to INT ratio is better…the overall QB play discussed above makes this a MINUS;

9) KM must run…Check…you have to give the Devil his do here…to come back from an ACL/MCl injury he had and to not lose a step and not be afraid to lay it on the line when called upon is a credit to his rehab and his desire to get back to his pre-injury form…and…IMO…he has done that…I even think the offense can use his legs more like I previously said to roll him out and bootleg him more;

10) KM must elevate his game in big games…MINUS…and this is really the be all and end all isn’t? A franchise QB must win…and must elevate his game in big games and help his team win those games. The Cardinals are 6-6. They have lost bell weather games to Buffalo, Detroit, Seattle and Minnesota…where KM has not elevated his game in big spots. Beating the 49ers and Dolphins on the road and blowing out the Rams at home…goes to his benefit. But 6-6 is where we are at…and that’s 500.

So much lies ahead for the Cardinals and KM. Decisions will be made on his future based on how he performs down the stretch in these big games. I point to #7, #8 and #10 above as the bench marks that will eventually determine the Cardinals and KM’s success and future together. He’s not a pure pocket NFL QB…but he doesn’t have to be…if both he and the team learn to play to his strengths and avoid letting defenses dictate and play to his weaknesses. That is what they both need to do in order to win and be more consistent…cause (1) playoff appearance in 6 years and counting will not cut it…not for the Cardinals and…ultimately…not for KM.

   I do want to bring up something bothersome. During the 4 game win streak everything was working out well in unison. The run game was a big factor, and it was over the top against the Jets.
The D was playing fine and things were clicking on O.
  Then? The team had the bye and that win streak joined in and is now AWOL. Against the Seahawks the offensive game plan was exactly that. Nobody expected the Cards run game to disappear like that. It was somewhat inexplicable. Then...against the Vikes the team started out on O and were heavy into 12/13 personnel which threw off the Vike's D, who were likely expecting run after run. I looked at that and wondered where that was the week prior.
  However, we all saw the lead evaporate in the 2nd half and there was another anomaly: Justin Jefferson NOT being covered with man on man, but instead....ZONE. I don't mind saying this, but the Cards zone pass D SUCKS. They went away from what got them the lead, and then decided to play basically what amounted to PREVENT D. (Prevent winning).

   I'm seriously wondering if the coaching staff, after the bye, Gannon included, were so worried about the players that they forgot about their own responsibilities. 

Very good summation of K1 abilities and foibles. Well done respecttheprocess!

If K1 would've been more of a team player, along with Petzig cognizant of the impact the run game was having on the Vikes, last game would've been a Much-needed win. BUT K1 made 3 bad plays in late 3rd and 4th qtrs to lose the game. 
And as noted by another poster If Rallis would've kept Jefferson well covered on that last drive for the Vikes again it would've been a card win. My 2cents.

If MH is honest with his son, or MHJ is honest with the man in the mirror, he knows his own rookie mistakes and lack of reliable 100% effort and aggression on winning contested catches and learning and running his routes correctly are to blame.  All the missteps between Kyler and MHJ aside from a few times KM didn’t see him when wide open are on MHJ.  He will improve I think.  The worst thing would be if he would blame Kyler, and it would speak poorly of his potential to be great. We will see the real NFL MHJ by year 3. It would help if he put on some muscle and learned to fight.