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Post by devongent on Sept 30, 2024 5:12:24 GMT -7
Careful mate apparently we’re not aloud to have this opinion on this board if u ask a few around here… I'm not aware of any 'sensor issues' on the forum Aussie, everyone is free to post an opinion (subject to the general forum rules). |
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Post by Boomer on Sept 30, 2024 5:13:45 GMT -7
Forum brethren, It's time for me to admit the Murray nay-sayers are probably right. His height has impacted the way he plays QB at this level. It affects his reads and decisions and Murray was exploited by both Quinn today and Campbell last week. Kyler too skittish under pressure. I'm open to a change. 50 mil per year for today’s performance is unacceptable. It was eye-opening in the least to see two QBs with similar skill sets where one (the younger one) was so much more in control of himself, made better decisions, and was able to do more with some extra height. Having a ton of time in the pocket and a solid run game against a Swiss cheese defense helps too though. He also benefited from the defense only rushing three for most of the game. Washington kept a blocking TE on nearly every play and there is tons of tape of our guys each being double teamed virtually every play. It was pretty confounding watching us have 8 defenders in the backfield and JD picking them apart. At some point you have to try to bum rush him just to see if he can hold up because the plan of slow walking our pass rush and giving him an eternity to throw was clearly not working. This team still has a lot of glaring issues in both the OL and DL and KM should have faired much better against the league's 29th ranked defense. |
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Sept 30, 2024 5:38:27 GMT -7
Simple answer he is not nfl material. Careful mate apparently we’re not aloud to have this opinion on this board if u ask a few around here… Everyone has a right to their opinion lol and I have done my best to supress mine  even went as far to put a Rainbow on my gibberish regarding KM. Now when I look at the big picture kinda mad that Monti and the boy's left us with no option by not aquiring a Qb that has played in the league or made sure we friggen secured the 1st pick and dealt with it. They gambled and it looks like they lost. I imagine Kliff is laughing at this front office and coaches for hitching their wagons to KM. KM and this staff has 13 games left and they had better make the most of it. They were stuck with KM and I feel sorry for them but they made it worse for not having a 2nd option to stop the bleeding. |
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Post by vwvectors on Sept 30, 2024 5:46:15 GMT -7
SK really screwed us over by extending him when he didn’t earn it.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Sept 30, 2024 5:54:26 GMT -7
SK really screwed us over by extending him when he didn’t earn it. I never got to where I was Venomous towards SK but I am now. I remeber saying forget a contract make him earn it first then I thought I was being to hard on him  I am gonna put a smile on my face and hope MB makes the right decision at the end of the season. |
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Post by vwvectors on Sept 30, 2024 5:56:45 GMT -7
I knew I should have kept my feelings about the team to myself lol. Oh well I was confident this team was better then it was but I was clearly wrong. Time to start the scouting for the next Qb clearly the game is too big for Kyler. That rookie made kyler look pretty bad today. Kyler gets behind and he just melts down. Just not a leader nor an nfl caliber Qb. This staff didn't prepare for this and they have someone at backup that will never reach kylers level. This looks bad on the front office and the coaches. They pushed their chips all in on kyler and since you hiched your wagon to kyler you need to share in his fate. You had a chance for a backup plan and passed on it, it's not just on KM . That is why I went all in on the Harrison because I knew we were not gonna take a Qb. That is on me for getting suckered and taking the bait. I am over it I hope the best for all of the coaches and KM but at this point I am ok for cleaning house once again. New Qb and new staff sure I like the coaches but them and Monti are all responsible for going all in on KM now you are gonna pay for that decision. My worst nightmare is clearly in view once we passed on Qb. I wanted us to take Joe Alt instead of MHJ & still do. I think MHJ is on his way to become a dominant WR but I think Alt at either RT or LT would have helped this team (rebuild) more in regards to giving KM more protection & setting the tone in the run game at this time than a WR. |
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Post by vwvectors on Sept 30, 2024 6:02:24 GMT -7
SK really screwed us over by extending him when he didn’t earn it. I never got to where I was Venomous towards SK but I am now. I remeber saying forget a contract make him earn it first then I thought I was being to hard on him I am gonna put a smile on my face and hope MB makes the right decision at the end of the season. Your instincts were correct. KM hadn’t displayed enough to earn a QBOTF contract but I would never drafted him anyways I would have went for Bosa. At this point here’s my hope the some in the offseason is willing to take on KM & his (most) of his contract & we move on. I can’t envision KM ever winning us a championship. |
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Post by belac44 on Sept 30, 2024 9:26:06 GMT -7
I have been one of Kyler’s biggest critics. I have also decided to stop on that as we are stuck with him. I also know, it can be worse, much worse.
My thoughts on this team have been to give this staff a chance (wasn’t impressed at the beginning). I do not have to like the coaches, I just want them to make my damn team a winner. I thought, we have a QB that can win if surrounded by talent. Stack this team, build the trenches. If Kyler does not work out, then you plug in someone else to a team that has all the pieces.
Stacking the team is still my plan, but Kyler has resorted back to 2021 Kyler. I thought this staff maybe worked out how to make him more efficient. The thing is now, other teams have a decent sample size of Kyler in this new offense. As the former Seachicken LB, KJ Wright said, Kyler is good and dynamic, but after a couple games, we figured out how to stop him. Belichick was on TV after the Rams game and laid out exactly what he would do to stop Kyler and now the Lions and Commanders have done just that. Kyler cowers under pressure when in the pocket, keep him there and you win.
Doug Franz a former local radio guy had a great breakdown on local TV last night. I was actually very impressed with his knowledge on it. He pointed out a solid 10 plays that Kyler messed up. Guys were open for first downs and he did not pull the trigger. Held the ball too long or threw to the wrong guy. Literally right over the head of an open guy for a first down and forced it further downfield. When you do not throw on schedule to the open man it makes your WR look worse, Oline look worse and the play caller looks worse.
I have wanted to be wrong about Kyler. I have never wanted to be more wrong about someone, but I think my initial thoughts are probably just who he is. Even if the D is better, when it comes to playoffs, the teams will know how to shut Kyler down. See Rams playoff game vs a talented Cardinals roster.
I think you roll with Kyler through 2025 unfortunately. Maybe this staff figures out how to counter how teams are playing him. Maybe this staff learns how to get through to him and fix this regression of his. I will hold out some hope we can stack the team and he/they figure it out, but does this guy really have the grit for a playoff run? I don’t see it.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Sept 30, 2024 11:06:42 GMT -7
Forum brethren, It's time for me to admit the Murray nay-sayers are probably right. His height has impacted the way he plays QB at this level. It affects his reads and decisions and Murray was exploited by both Quinn today and Campbell last week. Kyler too skittish under pressure. I'm open to a change. 50 mil per year for today’s performance is unacceptable. It was eye-opening in the least to see two QBs with similar skill sets where one (the younger one) was so much more in control of himself, made better decisions, and was able to do more with some extra height. Having a ton of time in the pocket and a solid run game against a Swiss cheese defense helps too though. Yeah. I recall you being high on Daniels. I never disliked him and saw talent, my only issue was he had a loaded team at LSU including Nabors who was responsible for a lot of his video game stats since his coach ran up scores with starters against many of the lesser teams, instead of pulling starters out. So the risk was you didn't know how much of it was him or Nabors, because he didn't exactly perform that well against better opponents. For that reason, I said I wouldn't take him Top-5 but would be fine taking him later in 1st and definitely in the 2nd. I didn't want to invest in any of the top QBs early, but I did like risk reward of Daniels and Nix in the 2nd. I seem to recall asking all the Murray homers why they wouldn't want Daniels given he's basically Kyler Murray without the height issues. I never heard anything about his football acumen, one way or the other, unlike Stroud coming out of college. But it amazes me why more KM homers wouldn't have wanted Daniels given he addresses one of Kyler's two biggest deficiencies. I'll always take pocket passers like Stroud over Daniels, but I do try to understand how others think, so you'd have thought more of the Kyler folks would have been pounding table for Daniels. To your credit, if Daniels does end up ROY, you'll probably be the only one on the board who can claim you saw it early. I saw the talent, but I didn't like the risk/return given we already had Kyler, and despite wanting a different QB, I really want to see us build around the 'Stroud', Manning, or Warner types. I think it's dumb to draft any QB where there are mental questions. I don't think next year's QB crop is that strong. Jaxson Dart, Cam Ward, Carson Beck and Quinn Ewers are the only remotely intriguing kids these days. Shadeur Sanders looks awful. Dart, the former USC prospect looks darn good in his second season at Ole Miss. If coach wants a Philly type offense Ewers is a good fit. I know Beck is good but I haven't watched him or Ward enough to really have an opinion - yet. |
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Post by CardsFanQC on Sept 30, 2024 12:27:16 GMT -7
I have been one of Kyler’s biggest critics. I have also decided to stop on that as we are stuck with him. I also know, it can be worse, much worse. My thoughts on this team have been to give this staff a chance (wasn’t impressed at the beginning). I do not have to like the coaches, I just want them to make my damn team a winner. I thought, we have a QB that can win if surrounded by talent. Stack this team, build the trenches. If Kyler does not work out, then you plug in someone else to a team that has all the pieces. Stacking the team is still my plan, but Kyler has resorted back to 2021 Kyler. I thought this staff maybe worked out how to make him more efficient. The thing is now, other teams have a decent sample size of Kyler in this new offense. As the former Seachicken LB, KJ Wright said, Kyler is good and dynamic, but after a couple games, we figured out how to stop him. Belichick was on TV after the Rams game and laid out exactly what he would do to stop Kyler and now the Lions and Commanders have done just that. Kyler cowers under pressure when in the pocket, keep him there and you win. Doug Franz a former local radio guy had a great breakdown on local TV last night. I was actually very impressed with his knowledge on it. He pointed out a solid 10 plays that Kyler messed up. Guys were open for first downs and he did not pull the trigger. Held the ball too long or threw to the wrong guy. Literally right over the head of an open guy for a first down and forced it further downfield. When you do not throw on schedule to the open man it makes your WR look worse, Oline look worse and the play caller looks worse. I have wanted to be wrong about Kyler. I have never wanted to be more wrong about someone, but I think my initial thoughts are probably just who he is. Even if the D is better, when it comes to playoffs, the teams will know how to shut Kyler down. See Rams playoff game vs a talented Cardinals roster. I think you roll with Kyler through 2025 unfortunately. Maybe this staff figures out how to counter how teams are playing him. Maybe this staff learns how to get through to him and fix this regression of his. I will hold out some hope we can stack the team and he/they figure it out, but does this guy really have the grit for a playoff run? I don’t see it. Daniels impressed me last week when he stood tall in the pocket (taking the punishment) at a critical moment to hit McLaurin for a TD ... that is something I don't think I've EVER seen in 6 yrs from KM1. Kyler just falls down or tries to get out of the pocket thru the backdoor. Kyler needs to understand the situational football component and know of CRITICAL 3rd and 4th downs when he has a chance to keep the chains moving or get a TD that his decision making has been perplexing: - Yesterday on 4th and 1 in Commander territory at end of first half he took a sack rather than hitting JC on an easy swing pass early in the play or hitting Higgins right in front of him about 10-12 yds instead of taking sack.
- Lions game - critical 4th down and Kyler rolls to the right near the sideline chased by a tackler and instead of diving forward and putting the ball in front of the first down marker, he goes into a slide and puts the ball out in his left hand but AFTER his leg/posterior have hit the ground. That was a CRITICAL 4th down play and so you must make sure you do everything to get the first down.
- Bills game - on THE PLAY at end of game with MHJ wide open ... I watched the Orlovsky video and Kyler had Dortch wide open on a simple hitch-route early in the play but pulled it down because a delayed Bill blitzer jumped up (if he was 6'3" it wouldn't have been so bothersome). Kyler moved to the left but both players on the left side of the hash were heavily blanketed and so he rolls back to the right as MHJ is wide open. Ultimately Kyler throws it to Dortch but in his same view 20 yds deeper was MHJ so why didn't he see Harrison ? NOTE: I do wish one Kyler started moving back to the right that MHJ would have come back toward the LOS with both hands up.
- KM1 shows videos of him powerlifting with squats - why can't he be used on the tush-push ?? ... or is he telling coaches not to run him on that type of play with James Conner pushing him from behind ?
I am afraid it could get even worse unless DRob is the 2nd coming of Aaron Donald.
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Post by aussiecardfan on Sept 30, 2024 15:04:52 GMT -7
Careful mate apparently we’re not aloud to have this opinion on this board if u ask a few around here… I'm not aware of any 'sensor issues' on the forum Aussie, everyone is free to post an opinion (subject to the general forum rules). Just a little tongue in cheek joke mate. |
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Post by aussiecardfan on Sept 30, 2024 15:08:19 GMT -7
Careful mate apparently we’re not aloud to have this opinion on this board if u ask a few around here… Everyone has a right to their opinion lol and I have done my best to supress mine even went as far to put a Rainbow on my gibberish regarding KM. Now when I look at the big picture kinda mad that Monti and the boy's left us with no option by not aquiring a Qb that has played in the league or made sure we friggen secured the 1st pick and dealt with it. They gambled and it looks like they lost. I imagine Kliff is laughing at this front office and coaches for hitching their wagons to KM. KM and this staff has 13 games left and they had better make the most of it. They were stuck with KM and I feel sorry for them but they made it worse for not having a 2nd option to stop the bleeding. Km is what he is at this point. He’ll have those amazing games every 4 or 5 games but then he reverts back to the normal programming. His hs football way of playing only works for so long. Then the lack of preparation and study comes to the front. |
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Post by Dry Heat on Sept 30, 2024 16:33:39 GMT -7
It’s hard to believe this after the awful performance of the TEAM on Sunday, but Kyler through four games ranks as one of the top QB’s. He’s 5th in passing TD’s with only one INT and a 6:1 ratio. He’s 8th in completion percentage among all starters. He’s 7th in QB rating. He’s 3rd in rushing yards and 1st in yards per attempt rushing. He still has an incredible 81.1 PFF rating, down from a top two 86 last week. He’s probably still top 5 in QB PFF.
Game 4 looked terrible all around. The defense was worse than the offense. You give up 40+ points you won’t win many games. The problem with Murray AND coaching to me for the offense both last week and Sunday vs Lions and Commanders was the panic and response to playing from behind. As for the defense..it simply sucks and still has no depth and has three key starter injuries in Ojulari, Jones and the rookie. Even with them our defense is not good. Murray was without his RT and star TE.
I’m very unhappy with our start this season, and especially this last game. But J Daniels is even more legit than I thought and I wanted us to take him as a backup and then likely replacement for Kyler. But if we want to start winning games the biggest issue is our defense.
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Post by Dry Heat on Sept 30, 2024 16:36:09 GMT -7
To be fair Caleb Williams went 1st and isn’t starting well. Daniels was my guy but of course he went 2nd. Bo Nix is the only other guy playing and he hasn’t looked like anything but a second round rookie which is the highest I would have taken him. Maye has 22 yards on 8 pass attempts in garbage time, and he went #3. Daniels was the one guy I said we should take a shot at with our late first rounder, back when he was being talked about as a second round QB, but then he quickly climbed to where he wasn’t an option for us. Even if we had been able to draft him with our late 1st, my plan was to have him as a backup to Kyler (similar styles) in 2024 and then compete with each other as QB1 in 2025, and then trade the other. Our problems are wayyyy beyond Kyler right now. Our defense makes it hard for any QB. Swiss cheese. Worst thing is they seemed to keep the fight last season and early this season when losing. Today the team gave up. Danger of sliding backwards in culture. No our major problem is the Quarterback , that is where it begins. We could not put points on the board with one of the worst defenses in the league. Even with our bad offense today they are still one of the worst. If you can't score in this league you are toast. Redbird which QB would you have taken at pick #4? I’m curious. |
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Post by respecttheprocess on Sept 30, 2024 16:50:12 GMT -7
It’s hard to believe this after the awful performance of the TEAM on Sunday, but Kyler through four games ranks as one of the top QB’s. He’s 5th in passing TD’s with only one INT and a 6:1 ratio. He’s 8th in completion percentage among all starters. He’s 7th in QB rating. He’s 3rd in rushing yards and 1st in yards per attempt rushing. He still has an incredible 81.1 PFF rating, down from a top two 86 last week. He’s probably still top 5 in QB PFF. Game 4 looked terrible all around. The defense was worse than the offense. You give up 40+ points you won’t win many games. The problem with Murray AND coaching to me for the offense both last week and Sunday vs Lions and Commanders was the panic and response to playing from behind. As for the defense..it simply sucks and still has no depth and has three key starter injuries in Ojulari, Jones and the rookie. Even with them our defense is not good. Murray was without his RT and star TE. I’m very unhappy with our start this season, and especially this last game. But J Daniels is even more legit than I thought and I wanted us to take him as a backup and then likely replacement for Kyler. But if we want to start winning games the biggest issue is our defense. Not going to argue with the many holes we have on Defense Dry Heat…but you’re not going to win many…if any…NFL games producing 13 pts and 14 pts respectively on offense the last (2) weeks. The failed 3rd downs over the last (2) weeks speaks volumes of defenses adjusting to what they “see” on tape…and the schemes that have always worked against KM since that dreadful Rams playoff game. That is…cover (2) and let him try and beat you from shot gun while keeping him in the pocket on 3rd and long. Our offense just wilts when this occurs. We start out with promising opening drives…defenses adjust…and we default to straight shot gun plays with little to no deception where KM will be when he fakes the read option hand off…7-10 yards in the middle of the pocket…dead man waiting. No roll outs…no boot legs…no shallow crossing routes…no RB flares or screens…just KM dropping back and throwing go routes to Harrison or out patterns to him and hoping for the best. It’s really the same old…same old…and there are just better things to do on a Sunday afternoon then watch the same old rerun movie…IMHO! |
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even went as far to put a Rainbow on my gibberish regarding KM. Now when I look at the big picture kinda mad that Monti and the boy's left us with no option by not aquiring a Qb that has played in the league or made sure we friggen secured the 1st pick and dealt with it. They gambled and it looks like they lost. I imagine Kliff is laughing at this front office and coaches for hitching their wagons to KM. KM and this staff has 13 games left and they had better make the most of it. They were stuck with KM and I feel sorry for them but they made it worse for not having a 2nd option to stop the bleeding.
I am gonna put a smile on my face and hope MB makes the right decision at the end of the season.
