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Post by cardinalsins on Dec 31, 2023 15:40:56 GMT -7
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Post by Chirpn’time on Dec 31, 2023 15:44:15 GMT -7
This was a classic Card win. They beat a team when there is nothing to gain. I still like the win no matter how it effects the draft. Monti was pumped and the team and players who survived this season needed something to hang their hat on going forward.
The fans who hate K1 have ammunition blaming him for the pick 6 and the win today. Like it or not he secured his position for 2024.
This was a great team win on the road on the East-Coast. Short-handed and playing with much less talent.
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Post by Chirpn’time on Dec 31, 2023 15:47:57 GMT -7
Not sure how to take this???
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Post by cardinalsins on Dec 31, 2023 15:51:11 GMT -7
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Post by Chirpn’time on Dec 31, 2023 16:00:46 GMT -7
Post game K1 said the pick was a mental error between him and Wilson. I will take that as an improvement in maturity in not throwing Wilson under the bus like he did with Green.
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Post by vwvectors on Dec 31, 2023 16:14:44 GMT -7
I think we need another big road grader for when Conner misses time. He runs too hard not to miss a little. RB Derrick Henry likely will hit the FA market next March. His cost could be near $15M annually. Can we afford that for a p/t RB? Never ever put that much $$$ in the RB. That’s a SK move
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Post by vwvectors on Dec 31, 2023 16:20:06 GMT -7
Welp, here comes Joe Alt haha. May be a blessing in disguise. Joe Alt would be great ! Build those trenches (like the 9ers)
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Post by End Zone on Dec 31, 2023 16:24:56 GMT -7
To the contrary. Better play from the OL has been the argument for sticking with Kyler, meaning he would then perform better at QB. Appears to me this game gave credibility to that argument. And whatever the outcome might be for the final game next week......I think this game alone solidifies Kyler for next season and makes clear what the priorities should be come draft day during our rebuild. I just can't see the Cardinals starting over at great financial expense for QB after a game like this.On another note, I've been pleading for more Gregg Dortch all season. The man is a clutch receiver, what more does he have to prove. Let Rondale run back the punts and kick offs. What do you mean game like this? Kyler's stats were pretty close to what he's been doing last few weeks. He only hit 232 yards and had a pick 6. The ONLY big difference were the TDs, one which was of course phenomenal 1 handed grab by Connor. Our total offensive production was awesome, and our WRs looked strong, but it wasn't a killer air attack. Kyler looked more comfortable. No doubt about it. But the Eagles defense has been awful for 5 weeks straight. So it's not like we put on a passing clinic against a bad defense. Let's be happy for the win but not make it into something it's not. We agree on Dortch. I've been trying to point him out for weeks to those who say Kyler gets no support The best sign from Kyler today was he didn't start hot then fold.Those 2 stat lines are huge markers. The team was cook'in.
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Post by cardinalsins on Dec 31, 2023 16:29:09 GMT -7
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Post by vwvectors on Dec 31, 2023 16:40:51 GMT -7
Kyler can’t see over guys who are 6’3”, so not sure it matters. Need a guy who can play, but I understand your point. Maybe QB’s go 1-3 and MHJ is still there at 4. All the top tackles are 6’-6” to 6”-8”. It’s interior Oline where height can really make a difference for site lines for Kyler. I take height into consideration for C and G for us, but tackle not so much. Question would be do we go with more polished but less nasty Alt, or less polished but higher ceiling Fashanu? Hopefully KM will be gone after next season & we can draft via talent & meritocracy. Instead potentially passing on an all pro OL.
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Post by melgray85 on Dec 31, 2023 17:05:30 GMT -7
To the contrary. Better play from the OL has been the argument for sticking with Kyler, meaning he would then perform better at QB. Appears to me this game gave credibility to that argument. And whatever the outcome might be for the final game next week......I think this game alone solidifies Kyler for next season and makes clear what the priorities should be come draft day during our rebuild. I just can't see the Cardinals starting over at great financial expense for QB after a game like this.On another note, I've been pleading for more Gregg Dortch all season. The man is a clutch receiver, what more does he have to prove. Let Rondale run back the punts and kick offs. What do you mean game like this? Kyler's stats were pretty close to what he's been doing last few weeks. He only hit 232 yards and had a pick 6. The ONLY big difference were the TDs, one which was of course phenomenal 1 handed grab by Connor. Our total offensive production was awesome, and our WRs looked strong, but it wasn't a killer air attack. Kyler looked more comfortable. No doubt about it. But the Eagles defense has been awful for 5 weeks straight. So it's not like we put on a passing clinic against a bad defense. Let's be happy for the win but not make it into something it's not. We agree on Dortch. I've been trying to point him out for weeks to those who say Kyler gets no support The best sign from Kyler today was he didn't start hot then fold.You answered your own question. Our offense was an awesome total team effort and Kyler handled his job better as a part of that, and yes our WR's looked strong which included good passing from Kyler. Who do you think was responsible for getting the ball to them? You're the one making it all about Kyler by arguing his individual stats, not me. My point was simply he showed better performance as a result of stronger support around him.
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Post by melgray85 on Dec 31, 2023 17:17:49 GMT -7
To the contrary. Better play from the OL has been the argument for sticking with Kyler, meaning he would then perform better at QB. Appears to me this game gave credibility to that argument. And whatever the outcome might be for the final game next week......I think this game alone solidifies Kyler for next season and makes clear what the priorities should be come draft day during our rebuild. I just can't see the Cardinals starting over at great financial expense for QB after a game like this. On another note, I've been pleading for more Gregg Dortch all season. The man is a clutch receiver, what more does he have to prove. Let Rondale run back the punts and kick offs. I don’t think it’s to the contrary at all. I believe they were always sticking with Kyler and while I am not his biggest fan, I am okay with that. I want to build a strong team to the point you can plug in other QB’s and succeed. See Niners and Browns. I think this shows Kyler needs a strong run game to have success. Kyler played a great game and did not lose it, but the oline and run game is why they won this game.Everyone has been wanting more Dortch for over two years. I don't see how anyone can marginalize Kyler as not being credited as a part of why we won this game. That argument to me suggests that it wouldn't have mattered had Tune been the starting QB against the Eagles and I find that very hard to believe.
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Post by cardinalsins on Dec 31, 2023 17:30:50 GMT -7
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Post by melgray85 on Dec 31, 2023 17:36:11 GMT -7
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Post by knobby on Dec 31, 2023 20:21:28 GMT -7
Anyone sorry that Hollywood was not in the game today?
Anyone unhappy that UDFA Dortch played a LOT today
as receiver and kick returner? Could Hollywood do that and do it as well?
Sorry, I just couldn't restrain myself from pointing out the
cost vs. benefit difference between the two players. And Dortch does it regularly. A performer working for peanuts
who deserves much praise and has earned a reworked contract or bonus...
IMHO, as always.
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