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Post by End Zone on Dec 12, 2023 3:32:58 GMT -7
How about a trade for CeeDee Lamb who is now maybe around the 5th best WR in the NFL. I am thinking that Mike/ Monti will keep the purse strings closed and tight for such a big 'high cost' deal. - How much might CeeDee Lamb be after, $20M? Uh, I'm wary about paying WR Lamb's asking price. I don't pay for a name. I pay for performance. He's on track to catch 126 passes for 1650 yards in 2023. That's with QB Prescott on the other end of those passes. Can Murray match Prescott? Murray hasn't shown yet that he's among the elite QB group. Thus, Lamb's performance at ARZ would drop substantially compared to DAL performance. I am absolutely against doing any wheeling and dealing with Jerry Jones. He is a promoter and seems to always gets the better deal. So, go get Harrison and or Nabers and forget about Lamb.
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Post by devongent on Dec 13, 2023 2:17:19 GMT -7
Looking for a draft where Harrison has gone early and the Cardinals secure a modest trade down? - Well, this one, below, does have a feal of realism about it.
(Bleacher Nation - Matt Rooney - 12/08/23)*
My expectation is not for a 'blocker-buster' trade, but moving back to around the #7 mark would be ideal. The additional draft capital secured, both for this year and next, would be extremely welcomed, and there will still be high end talent available at this pick point.
Here we take Brock Bowers #7 and Bralen Trice #22. - I wonder what extra picks we might get in this scenario (trading back #3 to #7)? - As a starter we should acquire the Giants 2nd-Rounder for 2024 (projected to be around #39).
* (sorry, I've had to remove the link as 'consent' required - If interested, take a look by searching for it yourself).
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Post by devongent on Dec 16, 2023 2:36:25 GMT -7
And here's the first one I've seen this year from Eddie Brown, of The San Diego Union-Tribune www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/story/2023-12-13/2024-nfl-mock-draft-bears-select-caleb-williams-drake-maye-and-jayden-daniels-land-in-top-10I wouldn't say Eddie is an expert evaluator, rather one who 'studies the field' and is a good tipster. - It's well worth looking at his mock's, especially close to the draft, as his prediction record is up at the top. In this outing he is predicting - SIX Quarterbacks going in the first round; Williams (#1), Maye (#2), Daniels (#7), Penix (#13), Nix (#20) and McCarthy (#22). and EIGHT O-Tackles; Alt (#4), Fashanu (#8), Latham (#9), Mims (#14), Fuaga (#19), Guyton (#27), Barton (#30) and Suamataia (32). and SEVEN Receivers; Harrison (#3), Nabers (#5), Coleman (#6), Bowers TE (#10), Odunze (#18), Thomas (#21), Worthy (24). and FIVE at Edge; Verse (#11), Turner (#16), Latu (#25), Robinson (#26) and Trice (#28). and FIVE at Cornerback; McKinstry (#15), Wiggins (#17), DeJean (#23), Arnold (#29) and King (31). The odd man out is Newton on the D-Line (#12). A good example of where (which playing positions) the power lies.
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Post by End Zone on Dec 16, 2023 3:10:34 GMT -7
If prefer Harrison over Coleman. I'd be happy with either man. Pick 1. 1st Rd. Harrison will be gone first. Coleman is a mid 1st Rd. Trade down.
I prefer Turner over Verse, but again, I'd be happy with either man. Pick 2. 1st Rd. Verse will be gone first. Turner is a mid 1st Rd. HOU's pick.
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Post by Dry Heat on Dec 16, 2023 14:54:33 GMT -7
I decided to do a mock draft experiment where Monti puts his free agency into the defense, and then draft into the offense to get a massive young group to grow alongside Kyler. I restricted myself to ALL OFFENSE in the draft. An interesting exorcise that shows just how much draft capital we have this year.
#3 WR Marvin Harrison. Tried to trade down but was unhappy with offers, so took perhaps the best player in the draft.
#16 QB Jayden Daniels. A small one spot trade down with Denver landed us an extra 2025 2nd rounder, plus we get the ultimate taller version of Kyler to back him up as a legit QB2 that fits a Kyler offense, and also a legit QB1 contender in a few years to push and compete with Kyler
#34 G Graham Barton, the best G prospect in the draft for the interior OL
#67 C Zach Frazier, one of the top C prospects in the draft.
#71 WR Malichi Corley, nicknamed the “YAC God” for his unique play-making ability. No need for Hollywood after this pickup.
#81 RB Jonathon Brooks, a guy who can catch and carry the rock well
#98 WR Johnny Wilson, a 6’-6” WR Kyler will always be able to see.
#131 G Tate Ratledge, double dipping on guard here
#143 OT Blake Fisher, Notre Dame tackle who could become our RT once Paris moves over
#183 RB Carson Steele, a great compliment to Brooks, a plodder who will alway move the chains on short yardage.
#198 TE McCallen Castles, hey, BPA in the mock and at the one offensive position I hadn’t picked. Another tall receiving option.
Do this and add them to our existing 2024 signed offense, and I think we’d be good to go! Lots of solid defensive players look to be free agents, so get your Dline, OLB, ILB, CB1 and S there. Bam!
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Post by CardsFanQC on Dec 17, 2023 4:40:15 GMT -7
Could this guy actually maybe be there at top of the 2nd round ... for a guy who might be DK Metcalf 2.0 ?? Take a look at this highlight video and note all the jump ball catches in traffic but especially take note @ 1:20 play across the middle - DK Metcalf 2.0 ?
Another video extolling the sheer athletic ability of this talent from South Carolina - NOTE 215 yds of YAC in just first 4 games of the Year - Video
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Post by Dry Heat on Dec 17, 2023 8:32:41 GMT -7
Could this guy actually maybe be there at top of the 2nd round ... for a guy who might be DK Metcalf 2.0 ?? Take a look at this highlight video and note all the jump ball catches in traffic but especially take note @ 1:20 play across the middle - DK Metcalf 2.0 ?
Another video extolling the sheer athletic ability of this talent from South Carolina - NOTE 215 yds of YAC in just first 4 games of the Year - Video I love doing a small trade down in the first and picking up an OT instead of Harrison, and then taking Legette in the second when I mock. I wish he’d stop getting attention lately. There are so many QB’s that might go in the first this year, and then so many OT’s and WR’s with first round talent, that someone really good will fall to us in the second. That’s why I’m not so concerned with getting Harrison, but would love the #2 pick. It could allow us to get another high 2nd rounder in a small trade down to a QB needy team, and we could end up with four first round talent players.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Dec 18, 2023 4:00:45 GMT -7
On JV podcast post game - someone in the chat pointed out that the 3rd worst team gets to coach at the Senior Bowl. So coaches and Monti will get a very close look at the players in Mobile which could help the Cards find gems in 4th - 7th rounds.
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Post by devongent on Dec 20, 2023 10:59:59 GMT -7
A view from Raising Zona (if Cardinals end up with the #3 and #17 picks) - raisingzona.com/posts/arizona-cardinals-mock-draft-6-0-offensive-line-receiver-major-boosts-01hj2hdk20nhInteresting commentary from Sion Fawkes here, who is favoring Olu Fashanu over Marvin Harrison Jr. - The second pick (#17) is Rome Odunze WR, hence giving a double boost on Offense and (hopefully) will lead to a big uplift. Olu Fashanu + Rome Odunze would be a great pair to get, but I fear RZ are being a trifle optimistic here (that Odunze will drop this low).
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Post by Dry Heat on Dec 20, 2023 16:14:34 GMT -7
A view from Raising Zona (if Cardinals end up with the #3 and #17 picks) - raisingzona.com/posts/arizona-cardinals-mock-draft-6-0-offensive-line-receiver-major-boosts-01hj2hdk20nhInteresting commentary from Sion Fawkes here, who is favoring Olu Fashanu over Marvin Harrison Jr. - The second pick (#17) is Rome Odunze WR, hence giving a double boost on Offense and (hopefully) will lead to a big uplift. Olu Fashanu + Rome Odunze would be a great pair to get, but I fear RZ are being a trifle optimistic here (that Odunze will drop this low). I’ve been doing this now that the QB’s seem to be going before #17. However, I’ve gone Alt instead of Fashanu because I think he’d be better for a QB like Kyler who scrambles.
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Post by melgray85 on Dec 20, 2023 16:46:18 GMT -7
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Post by devongent on Dec 20, 2023 17:45:14 GMT -7
I’ve been doing this now that the QB’s seem to be going before #17. However, I’ve gone Alt instead of Fashanu because I think he’d be better for a QB like Kyler who scrambles. Okay, for the Cards to target Joe Alt then I feel a modest Trade Down will be required to add value. Here's a possible example of this scenario for it to work - 1) Cards trade with the Giants (who are currently listed #6), the later move up to take Jayden Daniels, QB. We acquire picks #6, #37 and whatever additional draft capital in 2025/6 to makeweight. 2) #6 - Draft Joe Alt. 3) For the Houston pick (lets say this turns out to be in the #18-#24 range, as currently the outcome is volatile). - At WR there is zero chance of landing Nabers and very little chance of Rome Odunze. However, there are plenty of other excellent prospects at this position, but no-other are considered 'must have', hence skip a WR at this point. - At Edge there are a number of individuals who nominally would be possible, but my mind keeps saying DL is more important. Just listened to the Joe Comeau podcast following the SF game and he is saying similar. I really like Jer'Zhan Newton who, although smaller, would give us much needed attack up the middle, but (similar to Odunze) I don't see it happening, even though Newton tends to bounce around the rankings quite a bit. Therefore,... #18-#24 - Draft Leonard Taylor III DT. - This guy is a bruiser and a real menace. This pick is very plausible and I would be good with it. 4) #34 - Take the best option WR available. For now I'll go with the recent Trevor Sikkema recommendations, either Devontez Walker (6'2" and 200 lbs) or Troy Franklin (6'3" and 187 lbs). Hopefully, this duo will pass the 'height test' and be deemed suitable targets for Kyler Murray. 5) #37 - I'd wish to seriously consider a Cornerback here, but it's hard to predict who will be available; Quinyon Mitchell or TJ Tampa perhaps. I could see our FO attracted to the athleticism of Mitchell and although he is a 'small school' prospect there is a lot of positivity out there on him. Thinking again flip #34/ #37 and take Cornerback then WR (There are a lot of options available at WR). Above is my current assessment, to involve a modest Trade Down, and would result in top-end picks at OT and WR on the Offense side and Cornerback and DT on Defense.
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Post by cardinalsins on Dec 20, 2023 19:52:28 GMT -7
I was hating this until I saw Nabers. This was interesting since it goes against typical trends.
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Post by cardinalsins on Dec 20, 2023 19:54:27 GMT -7
I’ve been doing this now that the QB’s seem to be going before #17. However, I’ve gone Alt instead of Fashanu because I think he’d be better for a QB like Kyler who scrambles. Okay, for the Cards to target Joe Alt then I feel a modest Trade Down will be required to add value. Here's a possible example of this scenario for it to work - 1) Cards trade with the Giants (who are currently listed #6), the later move up to take Jayden Daniels, QB. We acquire picks #6, #37 and whatever additional draft capital in 2025/6 to makeweight. 2) #6 - Draft Joe Alt. 3) For the Houston pick (lets say this turns out to be in the #18-#24 range, as currently the outcome is volatile). - At WR there is zero chance of landing Nabers and very little chance of Rome Odunze. However, there are plenty of other excellent prospects at this position, but no-other are considered 'must have', hence skip a WR at this point. - At Edge there are a number of individuals who nominally would be possible, but my mind keeps saying DL is more important. Just listened to the Joe Comeau podcast following the SF game and he is saying similar. I really like Jer'Zhan Newton who, although smaller, would give us much needed attack up the middle, but (similar to Odunze) I don't see it happening, even though Newton tends to bounce around the rankings quite a bit. Therefore,... #18-#24 - Draft Leonard Taylor III DT. - This guy is a bruiser and a real menace. This pick is very plausible and I would be good with it. 4) #34 - Take the best option WR available. For now I'll go with the recent Trevor Sikkema recommendations, either Devontez Walker (6'2" and 200 lbs) or Troy Franklin (6'3" and 187 lbs). Hopefully, this duo will pass the 'height test' and be deemed suitable targets for Kyler Murray. 5) #37 - I'd wish to seriously consider a Cornerback here, but it's hard to predict who will be available; Quinyon Mitchell or TJ Tampa perhaps. I could see our FO attracted to the athleticism of Mitchell and although he is a 'small school' prospect there is a lot of positivity out there on him. Thinking again flip #34/ #37 and take Cornerback then WR (There are a lot of options available at WR). Above is my current assessment, to involve a modest Trade Down, and would result in top-end picks at OT and WR on the Offense side and Cornerback and DT on Defense. I like the exercise...but...wouldn't it be easier to take Marv...and target RTs like Latham or Fuaga with the second pick? We then move Paris to the left.
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Post by melgray85 on Dec 20, 2023 20:07:43 GMT -7
I was hating this until I saw Nabers. This was interesting since it goes against typical trends. That's what struck me too and cause me to think: Hmmm??
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