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Post by cardinalsdo on Nov 2, 2023 13:45:26 GMT -7
I think Dobbs is better than we thought. This team is terrible. Dobbs has no weapons. He has no receivers. He has no running game. The interior of the OL still gives up inside pressure. I think he did well relatively speaking. He made some impossible completions and some of his interceptions were not his fault. I honestly can't see Kyler Murry doing much better aside from being a glorified runner playing QB
I thought he played really well given the circumstances. There are passes Dobbs created that Kyler is incapable of making. I recall once where Dobbs faced an incoming blitz with central pressure in his face. He completed a 5 yard out to the sideline. The ball straight and accurate with no loft or chance of being picked off. I've never seen Kyler complete a throw like that. A sideline throw is one of the most difficult to make but to do it under pressure with no time in the pocket was impressive.
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Post by cardinalsdo on Nov 2, 2023 13:46:28 GMT -7
So what I’m hearing is we wasted a 5th rounder and valuable game experience that could have gone to the rookie qb. What a waste of time Dobbs was. Exactly! To compete, you need depth. Dobbs at the very worst was worth stashing as a backup QB for next season. Trading a 5th to get him and not keeping him makes zero sense.
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 2, 2023 14:41:13 GMT -7
So what I’m hearing is we wasted a 5th rounder and valuable game experience that could have gone to the rookie qb. What a waste of time Dobbs was. Exactly! To compete, you need depth. Dobbs at the very worst was worth stashing as a backup QB for next season. Trading a 5th to get him and not keeping him makes zero sense. You do know Dobbs was only under contract for this year, correct? What contract would you have been willing to give him to “stash him as a backup QB”? Would you drop Tune? Do you think they don’t see Tune every day in practice, or that they drafted him as a backup?
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Post by T.McCollum on Nov 2, 2023 18:56:43 GMT -7
Nah Dobbs was traded for so the team could try to win a few games before KM came back. That failed completely and now they don’t need him anymore. He was never a long term thing unless he did very well. So a better team in the running for postseason looks to a failure of a QB to save their chances? That doesn't make sense. The fact of the matter is he played well under very limited circumstances and the question is whether he can continue to do so with better weapons and coaching around him. The Vikings saw how well he did with the Cardinals. Desperate teams do desperate things all the time. Min as no run game. Everything going to be on Dobbs shoulder if he see the field. No way that ends well. That only if their rookie doesn’t play well this week. If he does Dobbs probably rides the bench. Minn can kiss the playoff good bye
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Post by melgray85 on Nov 2, 2023 22:00:20 GMT -7
So a better team in the running for postseason looks to a failure of a QB to save their chances? That doesn't make sense. The fact of the matter is he played well under very limited circumstances and the question is whether he can continue to do so with better weapons and coaching around him. The Vikings saw how well he did with the Cardinals. Desperate teams do desperate things all the time. Min as no run game. Everything going to be on Dobbs shoulder if he see the field. No way that ends well. That only if their rookie doesn’t play well this week. If he does Dobbs probably rides the bench. Minn can kiss the playoff good bye I can't predict the future like you can, so I'll just wait and see. But meantime it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he does take the field and rides the Viks to postseason.
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Post by Reignman on Nov 3, 2023 21:20:08 GMT -7
Oh boy, I hope this is just an insurance policy. Maybe the injury to Nick Mullins is worse than we thought, otherwise I don't like it. I want to see our 5th round rookie start the final 9 games so we can get a good answer on who he is. If he succeeds, then we wouldn't need to draft Kirk's replacement in May. If he fails, we'll be in good position to take a QB at the top of the first round. Win/win IMO. Giving Dobbs a bunch of starts doesn't do anything for our future. It just means the Vikings are delusional enough to want to screw up their future to add another one-and-done playoff appearance to the trophy case, or worse, finish 8-9, not answer any questions about Hall, and put themselves in a tougher spot to draft Kirk's replacement. So it sounds like business as usual for the SS Mediocrity. Screwing up the future just to eek out a few more meaningless regular season wins. Something tells me we're not in any danger of having to erect any statues in February outside of US Bank Stadium for a guy that's been on 9 teams in 3 years xD. If I hear one more person tell me how smart he is. If they were handing out trophies to the first team that could put a player on Mars, maybe Dobbs is the right guy, but I'm more interested in putting some Lombardi hardware in the trophy case sometime in my lifetime.
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Post by Reignman on Nov 3, 2023 21:22:30 GMT -7
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 3, 2023 22:27:44 GMT -7
Just pass along a “Good Luck”! I’d like to see the kid get you to the playoffs. He did keep us in games, gave up his body, and your roster is better than ours so maybe he will have more success. If not, trade up to our top three pick (maybe first!) for a draft haul and get yourself a QBOF 🙂
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Post by cbltv on Nov 4, 2023 10:40:49 GMT -7
Oh boy, I hope this is just an insurance policy. Maybe the injury to Nick Mullins is worse than we thought, otherwise I don't like it. I want to see our 5th round rookie start the final 9 games so we can get a good answer on who he is. If he succeeds, then we wouldn't need to draft Kirk's replacement in May. If he fails, we'll be in good position to take a QB at the top of the first round. Win/win IMO. Giving Dobbs a bunch of starts doesn't do anything for our future. It just means the Vikings are delusional enough to want to screw up their future to add another one-and-done playoff appearance to the trophy case, or worse, finish 8-9, not answer any questions about Hall, and put themselves in a tougher spot to draft Kirk's replacement. So it sounds like business as usual for the SS Mediocrity. Screwing up the future just to eek out a few more meaningless regular season wins. Something tells me we're not in any danger of having to erect any statues in February outside of US Bank Stadium for a guy that's been on 9 teams in 3 years xD. If I hear one more person tell me how smart he is. If they were handing out trophies to the first team that could put a player on Mars, maybe Dobbs is the right guy, but I'm more interested in putting some Lombardi hardware in the trophy case sometime in my lifetime. Your HC said Hall had a good week, team rallying around him. Also said Dobbs will be suited for the game as backup this week in Atl. So next week will tell the tale of Which QB gets pinned.
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Post by birdgangaz on Nov 5, 2023 13:00:53 GMT -7
I sure am glad we dumped a super solid backup and class act for pretty much nothing and now have only an often-injured Kyler and a guy that can't play worth crap. Brilliant idea.
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Post by cardinalsdo on Nov 5, 2023 13:56:05 GMT -7
Exactly! To compete, you need depth. Dobbs at the very worst was worth stashing as a backup QB for next season. Trading a 5th to get him and not keeping him makes zero sense. You do know Dobbs was only under contract for this year, correct? What contract would you have been willing to give him to “stash him as a backup QB”? Would you drop Tune? Do you think they don’t see Tune every day in practice, or that they drafted him as a backup? Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. Dobbs wouldn't have been expensive to sign as a backup. He has a year of experience under his belt. Look at the Vikings and the Cardinals today. No one should be surprised by these results. Tune has no business starting for any team. Acting like Dobbs was playing so bad that you need to start Tune was a joke. What you failed to recognize is that Dobbs was playing well and made our offense look better than it was given the poor offensive line and lack of weapons. Tune gets in there and he and our offense get exposed. And it's comical to hear the excuses about our OL isn't protecting Tune as if it was so different when Dobbs was in there. The difference is Dobbs was making quicker decisions and protected the football. Of the 5 interceptions he threw, 2 of them were the fault of the receiver. Not saying Dobbs was great but he played well given the circumstances and it was pointless to trade a 5th to get him to borrow him for a short number of games to trade him back.
I'm not really understanding what your take is? You think it was Dobbs that was the reason for the losses? You thought Tune would play better? You thought we would win more games with Dobbs out?
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 5, 2023 14:08:19 GMT -7
You do know Dobbs was only under contract for this year, correct? What contract would you have been willing to give him to “stash him as a backup QB”? Would you drop Tune? Do you think they don’t see Tune every day in practice, or that they drafted him as a backup? Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. Dobbs wouldn't have been expensive to sign as a backup. He has a year of experience under his belt. Look at the Vikings and the Cardinals today. No one should be surprised by these results. Tune has no business starting for any team. Acting like Dobbs was playing so bad that you need to start Tune was a joke. What you failed to recognize is that Dobbs was playing well and made our offense look better than it was given the poor offensive line and lack of weapons. Tune gets in there and he and our offense get exposed. And it's comical to hear the excuses about our OL isn't protecting Tune as if it was so different when Dobbs was in there. The difference is Dobbs was making quicker decisions and protected the football. Of the 5 interceptions he threw, 2 of them were the fault of the receiver. Not saying Dobbs was great but he played well given the circumstances and it was pointless to trade a 5th to get him to borrow him for a short number of games to trade him back.
I'm not really understanding what your take is? You think it was Dobbs that was the reason for the losses? You thought Tune would play better? You thought we would win more games with Dobbs out?
My take is Dobbs would have been too expensive as a backup. He’s been a starter all year and was traded for to replace an injured starter. He wasn’t under contract, we weren’t going to sign him to a new contract in 2024, we aren’t winning anything this year, he finished his job helping install the offense for the coaching staff who knew him, and we got something for him in trade when the opportunity came up days before the trade deadline. It’s that simple.
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Post by somecardsfan on Nov 5, 2023 14:20:26 GMT -7
You do know Dobbs was only under contract for this year, correct? What contract would you have been willing to give him to “stash him as a backup QB”? Would you drop Tune? Do you think they don’t see Tune every day in practice, or that they drafted him as a backup? Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. Dobbs wouldn't have been expensive to sign as a backup. He has a year of experience under his belt. Look at the Vikings and the Cardinals today. No one should be surprised by these results. Tune has no business starting for any team. Acting like Dobbs was playing so bad that you need to start Tune was a joke. What you failed to recognize is that Dobbs was playing well and made our offense look better than it was given the poor offensive line and lack of weapons. Tune gets in there and he and our offense get exposed. And it's comical to hear the excuses about our OL isn't protecting Tune as if it was so different when Dobbs was in there. The difference is Dobbs was making quicker decisions and protected the football. Of the 5 interceptions he threw, 2 of them were the fault of the receiver. Not saying Dobbs was great but he played well given the circumstances and it was pointless to trade a 5th to get him to borrow him for a short number of games to trade him back.
I'm not really understanding what your take is? You think it was Dobbs that was the reason for the losses? You thought Tune would play better? You thought we would win more games with Dobbs out?
No gurantee Dobbs stays. He wants to start and I am pretty sure he would of gotten too rich of offers to go play for other teams vs staying behind KM.
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Post by cbltv on Nov 5, 2023 14:24:27 GMT -7
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Nov 5, 2023 14:44:43 GMT -7
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. Dobbs wouldn't have been expensive to sign as a backup. He has a year of experience under his belt. Look at the Vikings and the Cardinals today. No one should be surprised by these results. Tune has no business starting for any team. Acting like Dobbs was playing so bad that you need to start Tune was a joke. What you failed to recognize is that Dobbs was playing well and made our offense look better than it was given the poor offensive line and lack of weapons. Tune gets in there and he and our offense get exposed. And it's comical to hear the excuses about our OL isn't protecting Tune as if it was so different when Dobbs was in there. The difference is Dobbs was making quicker decisions and protected the football. Of the 5 interceptions he threw, 2 of them were the fault of the receiver. Not saying Dobbs was great but he played well given the circumstances and it was pointless to trade a 5th to get him to borrow him for a short number of games to trade him back.
I'm not really understanding what your take is? You think it was Dobbs that was the reason for the losses? You thought Tune would play better? You thought we would win more games with Dobbs out?
No gurantee Dobbs stays. He wants to start and I am pretty sure he would of gotten too rich of offers to go play for other teams vs staying behind KM. No one will know now.
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