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Post by End Zone on Nov 14, 2022 10:06:51 GMT -7
For certain, the Cardinals win vs. the Rams feels very good. A couple huge rocks were tossed off our backs the last couple weeks: a home win, team scored a TD on opening drive, and finally the Cardinals beat McVay and the Rams (Kingsbury's 2nd win in 8 tries)! Now, we have other things to talk about: Is the Kingsbury / Murray combo THE problem? Or, is the HC the problem? Or, is the QB the problem? Is Kingsbury / McCoy the answer? Or, an answer in the moment? McCoy showed us that a new leader at QB using this abysmal offensive line can manufacture a win on the spot. Okay, the Cardinals win was achieved against another team with a losing record -- the 4th team picked on this season. McCoy proved to me that a Cardinals QB that goes thru progressions, reads defenses, and throws the ball accurately does best. Murray does all that too, just not consistently (yet).This team can win football games. How? Think, think, think. Minimize penalties. Eliminate mistakes. Study hard. Work together. Execute efficiently. All games are hard. Wins are the hardest. I didn’t see a whole lot of going through progressions. The success in the game came when Colt kept things simple, stepped back and released the ball in under 1 second, going to the first option. To know whether that first option was him reading the defense or just going with the first option of the play call. The quick releases made the Oline look good, as they always do. When Colt held the ball over two seconds, it was trouble. Murray always seems to want a longer play, waits for that option to develop, and when it doesn’t the pocket is collapsing and he either has to dump to a safety net or run his way out of trouble and improvise. I’d like to see Kliff simplify the offense the same as he did for Colt next time Murray is back, plus mix in designed runs. Well, I have to agree that 'going thru progressions' slightly exaggerates QB McCoy's sage tactics yesterday. He did not stand tall for 5 seconds, visually chop up the field into 3 or 4 big zones, pick out 3 open guys, and throw the ball to the best WR/TE option. Mostly, McCoy looked one way, or maybe 1.5 ways, and threw the ball into a tight seam in <1.0 to <1.5 seconds. On NFL Red Zone, I was watching a camera zoomed in on McCoy's face at numerous snaps. He did on several snaps quickly glance to his left (remember that he throws righthanded) with eyeballs only to measure a Rams rush or calculate a passing timing window. I noted on one snap that McCoy looked hard to the left side with his head, then immediately ran to the right. I took that as a fake boresight on a WR/TE in order to freeze a MLB or CB. McCoy called his own # for a right side short run for a 1st down. At no time did I see McCoy run for his life in the manner of QB Murray. Yes, McCoy sucked up 2 sacks and was pressured. He got hurt in the second half and McSorley came in for 2-3 handoffs. I saw no McCoy panicky actions, no frustrations, no yelling at anyone. He was All Pro all day.
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Post by ricardo on Nov 14, 2022 11:10:08 GMT -7
Watching Good Morning Football this morning. They were doing Hidden Highlights. One of the plays was the RM one handed catch on 4th down. Kyle Brant made the comment "All kinds of cool things and goodwill for the Cardinals yesterday". Then he said "I wonder what was different?"
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Nov 14, 2022 11:17:10 GMT -7
Two bad teams playing deep in their roster. But a win is win. While some of what you said was true, they are downed teams but that was the same defense that KM could only get Fg's and you don't see KM looking off players to keep them from making a play. KM needs a lot of work to catch up with McCoy. I think KM can be special but needs to learn what real NFL Qb's do. The maturity level needs to improve BIGLY !!
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Post by End Zone on Nov 14, 2022 11:18:51 GMT -7
Watching Good Morning Football this morning. They were doing Hidden Highlights. One of the plays was the RM one handed catch on 4th down. Kyle Brant made the comment "All kinds of cool things and goodwill for the Cardinals yesterday". Then he said "I wonder what was different?" The players know the answer. None talk about it.
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Post by JAB on Nov 14, 2022 12:00:29 GMT -7
Two bad teams playing deep in their roster. But a win is win. While some of what you said was true, they are downed teams but that was the same defense that KM could only get Fg's and you don't see KM looking off players to keep them from making a play. KM needs a lot of work to catch up with McCoy. I think KM can be special but needs to learn what real NFL Qb's do. The maturity level needs to improve BIGLY !! What he needs is a coach he respects and will do what he's told in my opinion he thinks he runs the freaking show and is regressing due to lack of respect for the head coach. McCoy got the ball out fast and also had Hopkins on the field. Kyler Murray as did Kurt Warner with holding the ball too long and making too many turnovers needed a coach to get in his face and say if you want to start you have got to let that ball go and stop turning it over and then we got the quarterback that was part of the greatest show on turf. That's why I want Sean Payton or an NFL coach with tons of credibility so when he tells Kyler Murray to jump Kyle Murray says how high because he knows this guy has gotten it done and knows what he's talking about Kyler Murray thinks skinny jeans is an ass clown and that's the problem as I see it.
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Post by JAB on Nov 14, 2022 12:04:42 GMT -7
Come on people the Rams were completely decimated and have given up.
Does anyone even know who their backup quarterback was? They lost Cooper cup their entire offensive line is decimated of course Odell Beckham Jr isn't there that is not the defending super bowl champions that's the shell of what they were and they don't care anymore.
It's why I don't do game threads during preseason because everyone thinks the third string quarterback is the second coming to Jesus Christ because he lights it up against a bunch of players that will no longer be in the league.
Colt McCoy was the Tom Brady compared to their backup quarterback they knew they didn't stand a chance it had nothing to do with Kyler Murray versus Colt McCoy that's nonsense.
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Post by JAB on Nov 14, 2022 12:07:03 GMT -7
I suppose we also now have the best offensive line in the league because I didn't even know Aaron Donald played until they showed him sitting on the bench at the end of the game.
Please that team is done!
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Post by belac44 on Nov 14, 2022 12:27:16 GMT -7
While some of what you said was true, they are downed teams but that was the same defense that KM could only get Fg's and you don't see KM looking off players to keep them from making a play. KM needs a lot of work to catch up with McCoy. I think KM can be special but needs to learn what real NFL Qb's do. The maturity level needs to improve BIGLY !! What he needs is a coach he respects and will do what he's told in my opinion he thinks he runs the freaking show and is regressing due to lack of respect for the head coach. McCoy got the ball out fast and also had Hopkins on the field. Kyler Murray as did Kurt Warner with holding the ball too long and making too many turnovers needed a coach to get in his face and say if you want to start you have got to let that ball go and stop turning it over and then we got the quarterback that was part of the greatest show on turf. That's why I want Sean Payton or an NFL coach with tons of credibility so when he tells Kyler Murray to jump Kyle Murray says how high because he knows this guy has gotten it done and knows what he's talking about Kyler Murray thinks skinny jeans is an clown and that's the problem as I see it. Do you think Kyler respects D Hop? He told him to calm the &#% down, just like he did to Kliff. I think many of you give Kyler too much credit when he has not shown one thing to deserve it. I have not seen the evidence he is open to coaching and listening, he seems to feel he is above it. For the sake of this franchise I hope you are right, but I have not seen much that shows he is even open to it. So much goes on behind the scenes that we have no clue about, so maybe.
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Post by JAB on Nov 14, 2022 12:42:33 GMT -7
What he needs is a coach he respects and will do what he's told in my opinion he thinks he runs the freaking show and is regressing due to lack of respect for the head coach. McCoy got the ball out fast and also had Hopkins on the field. Kyler Murray as did Kurt Warner with holding the ball too long and making too many turnovers needed a coach to get in his face and say if you want to start you have got to let that ball go and stop turning it over and then we got the quarterback that was part of the greatest show on turf. That's why I want Sean Payton or an NFL coach with tons of credibility so when he tells Kyler Murray to jump Kyle Murray says how high because he knows this guy has gotten it done and knows what he's talking about Kyler Murray thinks skinny jeans is an clown and that's the problem as I see it. Do you think Kyler respects D Hop? He told him to calm the % down, just like he did to Kliff. I think many of you give Kyler too much credit when he has not shown one thing to deserve it. I have not seen the evidence he is open to coaching and listening, he seems to feel he is above it. For the sake of this franchise I hope you are right, but I have not seen much that shows he is even open to it. So much goes on behind the scenes that we have no clue about, so maybe. He was one of the frontrunners for MVP of the entire league when we were sitting at 7 and 0 last season. Everything went to s*** and they still haven't recovered. I think he's a great quarterback he's also a pro bowl quarterback. I also think unlike Seattle we can't draft players. Our head coaches is a moron that no one respects. We have a head coach that has local media asking him if running the same wide receiver screen with 5'5 160 lb wide receivers blocking is a good idea. Come on man if Kyler Murray turns into crap it's on the organization. That dude was rolling he didn't lose his talents it's mental. That team needs to flush their head coach and their front office and bring in someone everyone respects.
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Post by birdgangaz on Nov 14, 2022 12:55:45 GMT -7
Do you think Kyler respects D Hop? He told him to calm the &#% down, just like he did to Kliff. I think many of you give Kyler too much credit when he has not shown one thing to deserve it. I have not seen the evidence he is open to coaching and listening, he seems to feel he is above it. For the sake of this franchise I hope you are right, but I have not seen much that shows he is even open to it. So much goes on behind the scenes that we have no clue about, so maybe. He was one of the frontrunners for MVP of the entire league when we were sitting at 7 and 0 last season. Everything went to s*** and they still haven't recovered. I think he's a great quarterback he's also a pro bowl quarterback. I also think unlike Seattle we can't draft players. Our head coaches is a moron that no one respects. We have a head coach that has local media asking him if running the same wide receiver screen with 5'5 160 lb wide receivers blocking is a good idea. Come on man if Kyler Murray turns into crap it's on the organization. That dude was rolling he didn't lose his talents it's mental. That team needs to flush their head coach and their front office and bring in someone everyone respects. Right but I think you can agree that talent only takes you so far. I think we got a chance to see exactly how far that is. It's no secret that he does not study to get better because "the game comes so naturally for me". What we would need is a coach to convince him to try and get serious and put work in, which is unlikely to happen.
A new HC will want to replace him ASAP- he'll be counting the days from the get-go.
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Post by belac44 on Nov 14, 2022 13:13:46 GMT -7
Do you think Kyler respects D Hop? He told him to calm the &#% down, just like he did to Kliff. I think many of you give Kyler too much credit when he has not shown one thing to deserve it. I have not seen the evidence he is open to coaching and listening, he seems to feel he is above it. For the sake of this franchise I hope you are right, but I have not seen much that shows he is even open to it. So much goes on behind the scenes that we have no clue about, so maybe. He was one of the frontrunners for MVP of the entire league when we were sitting at 7 and 0 last season. Everything went to s*** and they still haven't recovered. I think he's a great quarterback he's also a pro bowl quarterback. I also think unlike Seattle we can't draft players. Our head coaches is a moron that no one respects. We have a head coach that has local media asking him if running the same wide receiver screen with 5'5 160 lb wide receivers blocking is a good idea. Come on man if Kyler Murray turns into crap it's on the organization. That dude was rolling he didn't lose his talents it's mental. That team needs to flush their head coach and their front office and bring in someone everyone respects. But this team was also 10-2 under this coach. According to your theory its simply because of Kyler right? Yet they were also 2-1 without Kyler and D Hop and the loss was to a team that has owned them for the last 6 years including with Kyler and D Hop. I get you love Kyler as many on here do and will make excuses all day for him and blame everyone else. I just happen to think there is more to it and its crazy most of the Kyler fans refuse to look at things objectively and even consider he might have some flaws. You didn’t mention anything that shows me he will even listen to coaching. Still waiting for some proof or example from someone that he is willing to learn and grow. Kliff gets mad they burned a time out because he couldn’t get the play off and he tells him to Calm down. D Hop says he was wide open and asks what Kyler was looking at and Kylers response is calm down. He has given more evidence that he cannot take constructive criticism than he has shown he is open to coaching. And again, you will blame that on not respecting Kliff, but that then also means he does not respect D Hop. Yet many will choose to ignore that. Super curious to see what a different coach does with him. On the flip side, would have been nice to see what Kliff could have done with a different QB. We will never find out the latter and I hope you’re right that Kylers ONLY problem is this coaching staff and GM. I have not seen nearly enough to be so confident.
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Post by ricardo on Nov 14, 2022 15:13:13 GMT -7
I'm trying to decide which is more entertaining. The Riffs on the sidelines during games between K1 & KK/Dhop or the members here after a game ...
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Post by respecttheprocess on Nov 14, 2022 17:10:11 GMT -7
I'm trying to decide which is more entertaining. The Riffs on the sidelines during games between K1 & KK/Dhop or the members here after a game ... Based on people paying good hard earned money to watch KM/KK/DHOP play as opposed to us forum posters…I’ll vote on the former being more entertaining.
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Post by JAB on Nov 14, 2022 22:38:15 GMT -7
He was one of the frontrunners for MVP of the entire league when we were sitting at 7 and 0 last season. Everything went to s*** and they still haven't recovered. I think he's a great quarterback he's also a pro bowl quarterback. I also think unlike Seattle we can't draft players. Our head coaches is a moron that no one respects. We have a head coach that has local media asking him if running the same wide receiver screen with 5'5 160 lb wide receivers blocking is a good idea. Come on man if Kyler Murray turns into crap it's on the organization. That dude was rolling he didn't lose his talents it's mental. That team needs to flush their head coach and their front office and bring in someone everyone respects. But this team was also 10-2 under this coach. According to your theory its simply because of Kyler right? Yet they were also 2-1 without Kyler and D Hop and the loss was to a team that has owned them for the last 6 years including with Kyler and D Hop. I get you love Kyler as many on here do and will make excuses all day for him and blame everyone else. I just happen to think there is more to it and its crazy most of the Kyler fans refuse to look at things objectively and even consider he might have some flaws. You didn’t mention anything that shows me he will even listen to coaching. Still waiting for some proof or example from someone that he is willing to learn and grow. Kliff gets mad they burned a time out because he couldn’t get the play off and he tells him to Calm down. D Hop says he was wide open and asks what Kyler was looking at and Kylers response is calm down. He has given more evidence that he cannot take constructive criticism than he has shown he is open to coaching. And again, you will blame that on not respecting Kliff, but that then also means he does not respect D Hop. Yet many will choose to ignore that. Super curious to see what a different coach does with him. On the flip side, would have been nice to see what Kliff could have done with a different QB. We will never find out the latter and I hope you’re right that Kylers ONLY problem is this coaching staff and GM. I have not seen nearly enough to be so confident. Lol they all got hurt. Kyler murray, Hopkins, JJ Watt and so on. You had your chance the second half of last season to see what they could do without Murray and company. They did NOTHING. My Lord skinny jeans took the top seed in the NFC almost a lock to win the NFC West and it all turned to trash. The front office did nothing to make sure that didn't happen again this season. It's really not that complicated it's right there all you got to do is open your eyes.
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Post by JAB on Nov 14, 2022 22:43:42 GMT -7
He was one of the frontrunners for MVP of the entire league when we were sitting at 7 and 0 last season. Everything went to s*** and they still haven't recovered. I think he's a great quarterback he's also a pro bowl quarterback. I also think unlike Seattle we can't draft players. Our head coaches is a moron that no one respects. We have a head coach that has local media asking him if running the same wide receiver screen with 5'5 160 lb wide receivers blocking is a good idea. Come on man if Kyler Murray turns into crap it's on the organization. That dude was rolling he didn't lose his talents it's mental. That team needs to flush their head coach and their front office and bring in someone everyone respects. Right but I think you can agree that talent only takes you so far. I think we got a chance to see exactly how far that is. It's no secret that he does not study to get better because "the game comes so naturally for me". What we would need is a coach to convince him to try and get serious and put work in, which is unlikely to happen.
A new HC will want to replace him ASAP- he'll be counting the days from the get-go.
Apparently you haven't heard about his new contract. That dude's going nowhere anytime soon unless we give him away.
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