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Post by FLCardinalFan on Sept 2, 2022 15:43:02 GMT -7
Everyone wants to compare Andy Isabella to DK Metcalf. I get it. We all do But the real comparison for what his trade is worth is
NKeal Harry . Steve Keim the real truth hurts. Andy Isabella wants to be traded to where he cant start. OK I'm all for that! Let me see the offers. Where are they Steve Keim? Here is some perspective N'keal Harry was traded to the Bears for a 7th rd pick
in 2024. New England Patriots made the trade.
Nkeal Harry's Stats Versus Andy Isabella Stats 2021 Games Recpts Yds AVG TDs HARRY 12 12 183 15 0 Isabella 10 1 13 13 0 2020 Harry 14 33 309 9.4 2 Isabella 13 21 224 10.7 2 2019 Harry 7 12 105 8.8 2 Isabella 15 9 189 21 1 Harry Career 33 57 rec 598 yds 10.5 4 Isabella Career 36 31 rec 426 13.7 3 Full stats from above and more are here at NFL.COM www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/receiving/2021/reg/all/receivingreceptions/descSo what is Andy Isabella worth in a trade? Harry has better stats and he only brought a 7th in 2 years. Lets use the trade chart I have for years on the forum Things to keep in mind. A 7th round pick in 2024 is worth TWO ROUNDS LOWER 1 round for each year. So technically a 7th rounder in equivalent to a 9th round pick which the NFL used to have years ago. So What is Any Isabella Worth? He has fallen off as Harry had a better year than Isabella last year. In my best estimation is worth: A 7th round conditional pick in 2025 TOPS
If I was an opposing GM that is my offer.
As I have a better chance of a free agent off the street
catching 1 pass during a season.
So, you see even on NFL terms Andy Isabella
is not worth much in a trade.
Steve Keim saves face keeping him here
just hoping he breaks out.
*Note the NFL will only allow 3 draft cycles
for future picks
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Sept 2, 2022 16:20:16 GMT -7
PART 2 BUT FLCF he had a great preseason Even versus The Titans 5 CATCHES 115 YARDS WOW! Lets dig deeper I HAVE THE VIDEO RIGHT HERE 1. First catch he is up against CB Caleb Farley Farley has been hurt He had 4 tackles in 2021 His PFF grade in 2021 45.7 Here is the PFF link All credit to them. www.pff.com/nfl/players/caleb-farley/618032. 2nd pass #29 Theo Jackson S Farley was nearby 10 yds Jackson is now on the Titan's Practice squad 3. No one was covering him #39 made the tackle That was Lonnie Johnson He is a backup CB on the Titans Jackson and Farely were no where around on the play. 4 & 5. CB Gregory Mabin Who is a free agent today Mabin was cut after the game. The film below says it all: Andy Isabella is suppose to be a starter No wonder he looks great out there Lets see the starter go up against Jalen Ramsey and get those numbers |
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Post by End Zone on Sept 3, 2022 3:21:08 GMT -7
Sir, thank you! Excellent WR vs. CB digging and analysis. This work pays the bills. I'm looking forward to your AI vs. CBs article for the other website (if you write it, we will read it).
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Post by aris on Sept 3, 2022 8:08:59 GMT -7
You've dug deeper into exactly what I have been saying about Little Andy. My exact words were he's not worth more than a 7th and I dont think anyone will even give that up.
I've been clear from the beginning this guy is not a football player.
Now he DEMANDS to be traded LOL. Okay Little Andy.
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Post by birdgangaz on Sept 3, 2022 9:44:38 GMT -7
Just because Keim used a 2nd on him doesn't make him 2nd round quality.
He wants to "get traded" somewhere "he can start".. talk about lack of self-awareness.
The only place you "can start" is at Kroger bagging groceries.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Sept 3, 2022 17:05:42 GMT -7
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Post by belac44 on Sept 4, 2022 11:42:49 GMT -7
You've dug deeper into exactly what I have been saying about Little Andy. My exact words were he's not worth more than a 7th and I dont think anyone will even give that up. I've been clear from the beginning this guy is not a football player. Now he DEMANDS to be traded LOL. Okay Little Andy. So he “demanded” one now? Since it is all caps, you must have seen/heard somewhere that he is demanding this and not just requesting, right? I had not heard that yet, so I will have to search for it as that is a bit different than requesting. |
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Post by Native Az on Sept 4, 2022 14:40:54 GMT -7
There will be zero in trade offers for a 3rd round pick that has not lived up to expectations and is barely able to make the roster. The ship has sailed on this dude no one should waste anymore time talking about him.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Sept 4, 2022 15:42:07 GMT -7
There will be zero in trade offers for a 3rd round pick that has not lived up to expectations and is barely able to make the roster. The ship has sailed on this dude no one should waste anymore time talking about him. Thank You for confirming my article and opinion. The only correction he was worse than a 3rd Isabella was 2nd round pick |
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Post by Native Az on Sept 5, 2022 7:14:33 GMT -7
There will be zero in trade offers for a 3rd round pick that has not lived up to expectations and is barely able to make the roster. The ship has sailed on this dude no one should waste anymore time talking about him. Thank You for confirming my article and opinion. The only correction he was worse than a 3rd Isabella was 2nd round pick He was a 2nd rounder.🤦🏾♂️ UNREAL |
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Post by cardstj22 on Sept 5, 2022 7:47:29 GMT -7
I always wondered what happened with AI. I mean he was never utilized hardly at all from the beginning. A 2nd round pick. I think he will be another roster opening day. I think he'll get traded and they'll try and get their pick back they traded to the Raiders for the cb.
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Post by knobby on Sept 5, 2022 10:51:03 GMT -7
Andy had no control over where he was picked or by which team, so the round of his pick is by no means his fault.
The blame for him being picked is squarely on our scout(s?) and Keim - all of whom have been given raises this year. If the scout who was
first responsible has been quietly fired as a result, it's under the rug.
I give AI credit for standing strong against a tide of criticism beginning from day one - but his drops, body-catching habits and other rumored
shortcomings (no pun intended) are his own to admit and overcome.
The fact that he is "little" means nothing, as there are several others
on the team who are also altitude challenged yet are praised.
I suspect there is more to his complete story than any of us knows or
will ever learn after the fact.
IMHO
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Sept 5, 2022 14:34:40 GMT -7
Andy had no control over where he was picked or by which team, so the round of his pick is by no means his fault.
The blame for him being picked is squarely on our scout(s?) and Keim - all of whom have been given raises this year. If the scout who was
first responsible has been quietly fired as a result, it's under the rug.
I give AI credit for standing strong against a tide of criticism beginning from day one - but his drops, body-catching habits and other rumored
shortcomings (no pun intended) are his own to admit and overcome.
The fact that he is "little" means nothing, as there are several others
on the team who are also altitude challenged yet are praised.
I suspect there is more to his complete story than any of us knows or
will ever learn after the fact.
IMHO
knobby, Thank you for pointing out the scouting department. A lot of the blame can rest squarely on their shoulders. If you listen to Steve Keim's press conference which I did when I was doing this thread and another story He explains his inside information. According to Steve Keim, " Ryan Gold and Spencer Whipple vouched for Isabella. They both knew him when they were at the University of Massachusetts." Both are still here: Ryan Gold is the Cardinals Assistant Director of College scouting Spencer Whipple is Co passing game coordinator. I did not put this in my thread or article because of space limitations I hope this gives yoyu a bit of knowledge on the situation. Our scouting department leaves a lot to be desired. |
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Post by End Zone on Sept 7, 2022 5:35:20 GMT -7
Thread posts edited 9/7. P
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Post by CardsFanQC on Sept 7, 2022 6:54:27 GMT -7
Andy had no control over where he was picked or by which team, so the round of his pick is by no means his fault.
The blame for him being picked is squarely on our scout(s?) and Keim - all of whom have been given raises this year. If the scout who was
first responsible has been quietly fired as a result, it's under the rug.
I give AI credit for standing strong against a tide of criticism beginning from day one - but his drops, body-catching habits and other rumored
shortcomings (no pun intended) are his own to admit and overcome.
The fact that he is "little" means nothing, as there are several others
on the team who are also altitude challenged yet are praised.
I suspect there is more to his complete story than any of us knows or
will ever learn after the fact.
IMHO
knobby, Thank you for pointing out the scouting department. A lot of the blame can rest squarely on their shoulders. If you listen to Steve Keim's press conference which I did when I was doing this thread and another story He explains his inside information. According to Steve Keim, " Ryan Gold and Spencer Whipple vouched for Isabella. They both knew him when they were at the University of Massachusetts." Both are still here: Ryan Gold is the Cardinals Assistant Director of College scouting Spencer Whipple is Co passing game coordinator. I did not put this in my thread or article because of space limitations I hope this gives yoyu a bit of knowledge on the situation. Our scouting department leaves a lot to be desired. NO Doubt the scouting department needs a shakeup -- the draft AI was selected the Cards used (3) three choices and NONE of them have panned out which is really hard to do. A plethora of 3rd round reaches over the past 6-7 yrs and too many busts on the OL selections have really hampered this team. During the time KM1 was on a rookie contract had the Cards just made 1-2 different draft picks in the previous 3 yrs they could have been NFC champs with a chance for a SB. I agree with a Dry Heat comment the other day that ILB's, RB's and Safeties can be filled by inexpensive vets while allocating Cap $$ to QB, OL (Center & Tackles), DL Disrupter, OLB- Sack Artist, CB & #1WR should be a priority. IMO when drafting the first 2 rounds should be used to get difference makers or "force multipliers" at the above positions and the neglect of the CB room has been a monumental fail. The failure of Diche' to replace Calais is why SK must overpay for an aged JJ Watt and also overpay for Jordan Phillips. Not hitting on the aforementioned draft with 3 WR's who failed is why you are forced to trade for HOP and as he is getting into his 30's using a 1st rounder for Hollywood Brown. I think SK did a good job on the IOL getting Cody Ford and Hernandez as young guards with promise but of course if they play well on their 1 yr contacts then he'll be stuck paying them a lot of $$ rather than drafting OL better. DRAFT - DRAFT - DRAFT is key to getting good young cheap players to takeover for aging vets so SK better hope that at least ONE of the young rush LB's (Victor D., Sanders or Cam Thomas) hits or he'll be forced to give up a high draft pick in 2023 for a proven vet OLB. |
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