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Post by End Zone on May 16, 2022 16:17:57 GMT -7
For members interested in UAP, a the House Intelligence CCC Committee will have a mandatory public hearing at 9am ET on May 17. The YouTube link above will be active starting at 9am. This could be an interesting show and tell. The good people at NSA and Homeland Security that have lots to hide for decades do not want to say anything about the business.
This is a great opportunity to find out about the aliens that abducted Uncle Lester and Aunt Martha off their NM beet farm back in the 1950s. Those same aliens probably run US Congress today.
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Post by thomas cat on May 17, 2022 17:50:20 GMT -7
I haven't watched it all yet....in fact I'm listening to it as I type. Sadly, its going about like I thought it would. What I mean by that....no green men are being introduced or captured ray guns to show off. I wasn't expecting it, but that sure would have been fun. All joking aside, I personally don't believe in UFO's or as they are now called Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. Perhaps I should say, there are Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, I just don't think they are aliens. I would love it to be true. It would be so fascinating in so many ways. I just think any race that has managed to discover how to break the laws of physics would have any interest in us. There would be no for need for them to travel billions/trillions of miles just to buzz our aircraft. We would be like ants to them. At best, we would only be a mild curiosity to them. If they are that advanced, they would have better things to do. As far as the evidence that was shown. It was almost nothing. Even they admitted, the triangle thingy shown last year was an aberration caused by night vision technology and was explained. There is still phenomenon that happens here on earth that we do not completely understand. This is just one example... There is also ball lightning... And there are other things such as weird lights that have been reported right before or during an earthquake. The point is, there are seemingly weird yet explainable things, but they are so rare, we haven't had the time to fully explain them. And then there are things like this... As it turned out, it was just flying insects that looked like some mysterious flying creature from another dimension. It only appeared like that because of the camera frame rate and the flapping wings rate combined made it look like flying rods. Most all Unidentified Aerial Phenomena can be explained in one way or another. Those that haven't been explained yet just haven't been thoroughly investigated. After saying all of this, I don't think we are alone. I just don't think they are coming here. And.....if nothing else. Think about this. There are probably 3 billion or more people with phones that can take both photos and videos at a moment's notice, yet not one convincing photo or video where you could say....yeah that's an alien.....
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Post by End Zone on May 18, 2022 3:23:31 GMT -7
I haven't watched it all yet....in fact I'm listening to it as I type. Sadly, its going about like I thought it would. What I mean by that....no green men are being introduced or captured ray guns to show off. I wasn't expecting it, but that sure would have been fun. All joking aside, I personally don't believe in UFO's or as they are now called Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. Perhaps I should say, there are Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, I just don't think they are aliens. I would love it to be true. It would be so fascinating in so many ways. I just think any race that has managed to discover how to break the laws of physics would have any interest in us. There would be no for need for them to travel billions/trillions of miles just to buzz our aircraft. We would be like ants to them. At best, we would only be a mild curiosity to them. If they are that advanced, they would have better things to do. As far as the evidence that was shown. It was almost nothing. Even they admitted, the triangle thingy shown last year was an aberration caused by night vision technology and was explained. There is still phenomenon that happens here on earth that we do not completely understand. This is just one example... There is also ball lightning... And there are other things such as weird lights that have been reported right before or during an earthquake. The point is, there are seemingly weird yet explainable things, but they are so rare, we haven't had the time to fully explain them. And then there are things like this... As it turned out, it was just flying insects that looked like some mysterious flying creature from another dimension. It only appeared like that because of the camera frame rate and the flapping wings rate combined made it look like flying rods. Most all Unidentified Aerial Phenomena can be explained in one way or another. Those that haven't been explained yet just haven't been thoroughly investigated. After saying all of this, I don't think we are alone. I just don't think they are coming here. And.....if nothing else. Think about this. There are probably 3 billion or more people with phones that can take both photos and videos at a moment's notice, yet not one convincing photo or video where you could say....yeah that's an alien..... I agree, the planet Earth is not alone as the only rocky planet in the entire Milky Way galaxy with cell life as we know it. The odds are just not in favor of the planet Earth being a one-shot good deal (created by God). Several mass extinctions occurred on earth since the Earth's mantle cooled and the seas and oxygenated atmosphere were formed. Despite the extinction turmoil, tiny life kept springing back, sometimes with good or terrible results. There were the happy dinos until the asteroid. Humans are the current infestation pending a major virus pandemic. More Earth extinctions will happen in the future, either from resident's overpopulating or some weird space event. After the next extinction, more new lifeforms will develop. And around and around the sun we go to the end. However, if we want to argue about the odds of aliens cruising the Earth's neighborhood, I note that's been debated, but not resolved. I learned of the Drake Equation many years ago. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equationThis is an interesting assessment using common kitchen math and knowledge of astrophysics (space-based physics and chemistry) to estimate the probability of intelligence life springing forth from some soupy warm sea and then many light years time into the future, interstellar communications happen between communities of smart aliens across the incredibly vast distances. Odds of comms are miniscule per the Drake Equation. Yes, there are all the the genuine UFO / UAP videos in the DoD archives. Well, "genuine" means original and "DoD" means trust. So, that's 100% rock-solid proof that this stuff is real and trusted. Certainly whatever the aliens are doing is not explainable by earth people. Am I right? I laugh every time a moron bites on the genuine and trust bona fides. CGI (computer generated imagery) is everywhere nowadays. Like you said, show me the ray gun, or an alien eyeball, or anything except another UFO / UAP image. P
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Post by FLCardinalFan on May 18, 2022 4:26:27 GMT -7
FLCF Has proff of Aliens
Here it is:
I'm keeping an eye on thomascat, Putmein, devongent, Knobby
and now my Mother in Law
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Post by End Zone on May 18, 2022 4:35:49 GMT -7
FLCF Has proof of Aliens Here it is: I'm keeping an eye on thomascat, Putmein, devongent, Knobby and now my Mother in Law She (mother in law) really chopped up those damned aliens! Funny audio. US Air Force Probe No. 1 says turn back.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on May 18, 2022 13:52:01 GMT -7
FLCF Has proof of Aliens Here it is: I'm keeping an eye on thomascat, Putmein, devongent, Knobby and now my Mother in Law She (mother in law) really chopped up those damned aliens! Funny audio. US Air Force Probe No. 1 says turn back. U.S. Navy would never turn back lol
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Post by thomas cat on May 19, 2022 17:21:39 GMT -7
FLCF Has proff of Aliens Here it is: I'm keeping an eye on thomascat, Putmein, devongent, Knobby and now my Mother in Law The Twilight Zone....maybe the most classic of the classic black and white TV shows.....well in my opinion.... The subject matter, Rod Serling and his unique voice and commentary made it so. This is true. When it first aired, it came on at 9:00PM in my area. Unfortunately and at that time, my bedtime was 9:00pm decreed by my parents. The show was so special and my parents knew me and my sister wanted to see it so bad ( remember this was before VCR's, so no chance to record and watch it later )...that one night, they let us stay up a half hour later so we could see it. I remember that episode more so than others. The ending was shocking. During that whole show, I was worried about this old woman being tormented by aliens only to find out the aliens was us. I didn't see that coming...lol That was one of the things that made that show so good. More often than not, it had a surprise ending that made you think about things that normally might not come to mind. Good post and perfect pick of videos to link for this thread.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on May 19, 2022 17:55:44 GMT -7
HI thomas cat,
Like you I loved the twilight zone
Like you said surprise endings were great and the show had them beyond anything ever on television or since,
I have several episodes by heart
First one: When I was a kid I loved this one This guy bullied the old man
What Do I need Old Man? '
The second one scared the bigibees out of me as a kid LOL
Eye of the beholder: thomas cat I could not sleep for a week after this one
The Obsolete Man: This fits today more than ever!
And my all time favorite
To Serve Man Please Mr Chambers eat LOL !
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Post by FLCardinalFan on May 19, 2022 18:10:48 GMT -7
thomas cat here is another great one
The Irony
The Other place!
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Post by thomas cat on May 19, 2022 18:25:44 GMT -7
I agree, the planet Earth is not alone as the only rocky planet in the entire Milky Way galaxy with cell life as we know it. The odds are just not in favor of the planet Earth being a one-shot good deal (created by God). Several mass extinctions occurred on earth since the Earth's mantle cooled and the seas and oxygenated atmosphere were formed. Despite the extinction turmoil, tiny life kept springing back, sometimes with good or terrible results. There were the happy dinos until the asteroid. Humans are the current infestation pending a major virus pandemic. More Earth extinctions will happen in the future, either from resident's overpopulating or some weird space event. After the next extinction, more new lifeforms will develop. And around and around the sun we go to the end. However, if we want to argue about the odds of aliens cruising the Earth's neighborhood, I note that's been debated, but not resolved. I learned of the Drake Equation many years ago. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
This is an interesting assessment using common kitchen math and knowledge of astrophysics (space-based physics and chemistry) to estimate the probability of intelligence life springing forth from some soupy warm sea and then many light years time into the future, interstellar communications happen between communities of smart aliens across the incredibly vast distances. Odds of comms are miniscule per the Drake Equation. Yes, there are all the the genuine UFO / UAP videos in the DoD archives. Well, "genuine" means original and "DoD" means trust. So, that's 100% rock-solid proof that this stuff is real and trusted. Certainly whatever the aliens are doing is not explainable by earth people. Am I right? I laugh every time a moron bites on the genuine and trust bona fides. CGI (computer generated imagery) is everywhere nowadays. Like you said, show me the ray gun, or an alien eyeball, or anything except another UFO / UAP image. P Like you, I have been aware of the Drake equation for many years. Its not perfect and it depends on what value you assign to the various parameters. Still, even if you assign modest values, there are so many chances that its going to happen more than just once. Keep in mind, this equation is only for our own Milky Way galaxy. We now know there are billions of galaxies each with billions of stars and even more billions of planets in each one. No doubt, planets that are just right and can support life are vary rare. Still there are so many planets, even if its just 1 in 10,000, there would by thousands right here in our own galaxy let alone other galaxies. The one part of they equation that I think is more important than one might think as to if we can detect them. Thats the... "L = the length of time for which such civilizations release detectable signals into space"I think this is a problem. The very rare chance of life and then the even rarer chance of intelligent life is compounded by how long they can last without killing themselves off. It could be wars, plague, destroying their environment or some other dam thing. When compared to the dinosaur's longevity, we humans are just a short blip. I'm rooting for us humans, but we have a long way to go. I was going to get a little more philosophical, but I decided to end it here. I will say life is rare no matter how you calculate it. Just being a thinking being is a wonderful thing, treasure it and enjoy it while you can....
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Post by thomas cat on May 19, 2022 19:16:37 GMT -7
HI thomas cat, Like you I loved the twilight zone Like you said surprise endings were great and the show had them beyond anything ever on television or since, I have sveral episodes by heart First one: When I was a kid I loved this one This guy bullied the old man What Do I need Old Man? ' The second one scared the bigibees out of me as a kid LOL Eye of the beholder: thomas cat I could not sleep for a week after this one The Obsolete Man: This fits today more than ever! And my all time favorite To Serve Man Please Mr Chambers eat LOL ! Those are indeed classic. I remember everyone of them. Especialy.....To Serve Man.....a cook book....lol One that I might add that gave me the creeps....but ended well...
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Post by End Zone on May 20, 2022 3:10:52 GMT -7
I agree, the planet Earth is not alone as the only rocky planet in the entire Milky Way galaxy with cell life as we know it. The odds are just not in favor of the planet Earth being a one-shot good deal (created by God). Several mass extinctions occurred on earth since the Earth's mantle cooled and the seas and oxygenated atmosphere were formed. Despite the extinction turmoil, tiny life kept springing back, sometimes with good or terrible results. There were the happy dinos until the asteroid. Humans are the current infestation pending a major virus pandemic. More Earth extinctions will happen in the future, either from resident's overpopulating or some weird space event. After the next extinction, more new lifeforms will develop. And around and around the sun we go to the end. However, if we want to argue about the odds of aliens cruising the Earth's neighborhood, I note that's been debated, but not resolved. I learned of the Drake Equation many years ago. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
This is an interesting assessment using common kitchen math and knowledge of astrophysics (space-based physics and chemistry) to estimate the probability of intelligence life springing forth from some soupy warm sea and then many light years time into the future, interstellar communications happen between communities of smart aliens across the incredibly vast distances. Odds of comms are miniscule per the Drake Equation. Yes, there are all the the genuine UFO / UAP videos in the DoD archives. Well, "genuine" means original and "DoD" means trust. So, that's 100% rock-solid proof that this stuff is real and trusted. Certainly whatever the aliens are doing is not explainable by earth people. Am I right? I laugh every time a moron bites on the genuine and trust bona fides. CGI (computer generated imagery) is everywhere nowadays. Like you said, show me the ray gun, or an alien eyeball, or anything except another UFO / UAP image. P Like you, I have been aware of the Drake equation for many years. Its not perfect and it depends on what value you assign to the various parameters. Still, even if you assign modest values, there are so many chances that its going to happen more than just once. Keep in mind, this equation is only for our own Milky Way galaxy. We now know there are billions of galaxies each with billions of stars and even more billions of planets in each one. No doubt, planets that are just right and can support life are vary rare. Still there are so many planets, even if its just 1 in 10,000, there would by thousands right here in our own galaxy let alone other galaxies. The one part of they equation that I think is more important than one might think as to if we can detect them. Thats the... "L = the length of time for which such civilizations release detectable signals into space"I think this is a problem. The very rare chance of life and then the even rarer chance of intelligent life is compounded by how long they can last without killing themselves off. It could be wars, plague, destroying their environment or some other dam thing. When compared to the dinosaur's longevity, we humans are just a short blip. I'm rooting for us humans, but we have a long way to go. I was going to get a little more philosophical, but I decided to end it here. I will say life is rare no matter how you calculate it. Just being a thinking being is a wonderful thing, treasure it and enjoy it while you can.... phys.org/news/2022-05-decades-space-telescope-converge-precise.htmlI'm enjoying this discussion about "Who and what is out there?" As space technology improves and time passes, it is getting clearer that there is a lot to learn and some of what we would like to know might never be discoverable. How so? The above link is for an article in Phys.org that updates work to refine our knowledge about the rate of expansion for the local universe, aka the Hubble Constant. Right now, by the time I finished typing the word "SPACE," which took 1 second, the universe expanded by another 73 kilometers. That rate has increasing by about 6 kilometers per second since the so-called BIG BANG over 13.5 billion years ago, per multiple proofs done by astrophysicists. In 13 billion more years, the rate of expansion will pass 80 kilometers per second. If anyone is wondering what is the expansion speed limit, that is about 300,000 kilometers per second (KMS), the speed of light. A few trillion years into the future, someone might test that idea. As we think about contact with aliens, include the fact that some of our far away alien friends are drifting away faster and faster, never to be seen or known by Earthlings. Cool.
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Post by thomas cat on May 21, 2022 19:02:52 GMT -7
Thanks for your post and link. I have been following this as well. It's just not that things are getting further apart but space itself is expanding. Frankly, it's hard to wrap your head around.
Not long ago, we thought the expansion would slow down and even reverse itself and everything would collapse back to a single point.
As this article points out, the expansion is not slowing down but its speeding up. It makes no sense, but there it is. Its so puzzling they had to come up with the term dark energy to explain it. They don't really know what that is so they named it Dark. They are only scratching at the surface in to trying to understand it.
I love the last two paragraphs from your link...
Such confounding findings have made life more exciting for cosmologists like Riess. Thirty years ago they started out to measure the Hubble constant to benchmark the universe, but now it has become something even more interesting. "Actually, I don't care what the expansion value is specifically, but I like to use it to learn about the universe," Riess added.
The more things we learn, the more questions we have. Its a never ending thing.
NASA's new Webb Space Telescope will extend on Hubble's work by showing these cosmic milepost markers at greater distances or sharper resolution than what Hubble can see.
The good news. Despite almost countless things that could have gone wrong, the Webb Telescope has successfully deployed and is all but ready to go. The sad thing is, even though we may get spectacular new images right away, the real science will take years to understand just like with the Hubble.....these things take time.
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Post by End Zone on May 24, 2022 5:01:49 GMT -7
I am looking forward to Webb's new contributions to astrophysics. We live in interesting times!
A couple friends and me did some chalkboard work about a decade ago to try to understand what the local universe might have looked like 14 billion years ago, or just a few earth days prior to the last 'big bang.' We also understood the idea behind the Hubble Constant theory and some it's peculiar features. For one, the word 'constant' as it was applied was incorrect. Constant speed was an error in measurement. Someone in the 1980s found out that redshifted galaxies are speeding up on their journeys. Thus, since universe expansion was now proven, the big bang theory itself became questioned.
One new question: Was the pre-big bang sky unlit and completely black? Was there zero free energy and no atoms? Some friends opined that the pre-big bang universe could have looked pretty much the same as it does today. Ho so? There was light. There was atoms. There also might have been an Earth and 8 billion people! Lots of energy and hard stuff was scattered all over the heavens. Life was good in the old universe.
Then, another big bang happened. That big bang shock wave destroyed everything the shock wave touched, basically erasing the former local universe. The local environment was super hot. Atoms were destroyed to down to basic particles such as quarks and bosons. As the environmental temperatures dropped and the dust settled, then atoms reformed and a new universe building process was started.
A second question: What caused the last big bang? One thesis was that a high energy mass became too big and too dense, became destabilized, and exploded. Super nova 1b masses kind of do that today. On the other hand, black holes are much bigger and denser structures, but do not explode. They just evaporate, insofar as we know. The black hole at the center of our galaxy, SAG A, is about 4,000 solar masses. That one is tiny and stable compared to some other galaxy's black holes that have huge appetites and devour huge solar masses and gas at a horrendous clip.
So, if there was a universe prior to our big bang, why not consider that more big bangs occurred in the past and more big bangs will occur in the future? And if all that is true, then just how old is the universe? Trillions of trillions of eons? Maybe the word ETERNAL and NEVERENDING are fitting adjectives and then we don't have to get our head around the whole space problem. Just accept the universe as it is and move on.
We understand now that universe expansion is increasing ever so slightly over time. A subtle but constant force is pushing stuff around. Some stuff wants to be alone. Without resistance, there is no speed limit except light speed to keep stuff from drifting entirely out of sight forever.
Way back in 1981, I was in graduate school in Texas. This is before the Hubble telescope. My friends and I were aware of the Hubble Constant. We wrote this physics question a chalkboard: What is beyond the farthest observed galaxy? Nothing? Something? If the latter, is that object (matter) coming toward our universe? If so, how will that matter interact with the matter we see in our universe? Or will it interact at all? How will humans become aware of the interaction? Will the universe fringe get hot and glow like a forest fire in the distance? We were just a bunch of 30-year olds sitting around a conference desk and sharing 6-packs of Busch and endless equations.
The Webb tool will find galaxies that are so far away that they could not have sped to their current position starting 13.5 billions years ago. Not unless their 'constant' speed was much higher than speed observed today. Some smart person will say out loud that the big bang was not the first or last big bang. And when that is all sorted out, the laws of physics will become turned upside down.
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Post by thomas cat on May 24, 2022 20:39:32 GMT -7
I am looking forward to Webb's new contributions to astrophysics. We live in interesting times! A couple friends and me did some chalkboard work about a decade ago to try to understand what the local universe might have looked like 14 billion years ago, or just a few earth days prior to the last 'big bang.' We also understood the idea behind the Hubble Constant theory and some it's peculiar features. For one, the word 'constant' as it was applied was incorrect. Constant speed was an error in measurement. Someone in the 1980s found out that redshifted galaxies are speeding up on their journeys. Thus, since universe expansion was now proven, the big bang theory itself became questioned. One new question: Was the pre-big bang sky unlit and completely black? Was there zero free energy and no atoms? Some friends opined that the pre-big bang universe could have looked pretty much the same as it does today. Ho so? There was light. There was atoms. There also might have been an Earth and 8 billion people! Lots of energy and hard stuff was scattered all over the heavens. Life was good in the old universe. Then, another big bang happened. That big bang shock wave destroyed everything the shock wave touched, basically erasing the former local universe. The local environment was super hot. Atoms were destroyed to down to basic particles such as quarks and bosons. As the environmental temperatures dropped and the dust settled, then atoms reformed and a new universe building process was started. A second question: What caused the last big bang? One thesis was that a high energy mass became too big and too dense, became destabilized, and exploded. Super nova 1b masses kind of do that today. On the other hand, black holes are much bigger and denser structures, but do not explode. They just evaporate, insofar as we know. The black hole at the center of our galaxy, SAG A, is about 4,000 solar masses. That one is tiny and stable compared to some other galaxy's black holes that have huge appetites and devour huge solar masses and gas at a horrendous clip. So, if there was a universe prior to our big bang, why not consider that more big bangs occurred in the past and more big bangs will occur in the future? And if all that is true, then just how old is the universe? Trillions of trillions of eons? Maybe the word ETERNAL and NEVERENDING are fitting adjectives and then we don't have to get our head around the whole space problem. Just accept the universe as it is and move on. We understand now that universe expansion is increasing ever so slightly over time. A subtle but constant force is pushing stuff around. Some stuff wants to be alone. Without resistance, there is no speed limit except light speed to keep stuff from drifting entirely out of sight forever. Way back in 1981, I was in graduate school in Texas. This is before the Hubble telescope. My friends and I were aware of the Hubble Constant. We wrote this physics question a chalkboard: What is beyond the farthest observed galaxy? Nothing? Something? If the latter, is that object (matter) coming toward our universe? If so, how will that matter interact with the matter we see in our universe? Or will it interact at all? How will humans become aware of the interaction? Will the universe fringe get hot and glow like a forest fire in the distance? We were just a bunch of 30-year olds sitting around a conference desk and sharing 6-packs of Busch and endless equations. The Webb tool will find galaxies that are so far away that they could not have sped to their current position starting 13.5 billions years ago. Not unless their 'constant' speed was much higher than speed observed today. Some smart person will say out loud that the big bang was not the first or last big bang. And when that is all sorted out, the laws of physics will become turned upside down. Wow....you said a lot there. I can't say I agree with all of your conclusions, but who knows. These things are hard to prove one way or the other. The cool thing is that you wondered about it and tried to make some sense of it all. I'm no cosmetologist, I only have a high school education. What I know only comes from my desire to know and reading countless articles and watching shows about such things. This is really what I wanted to talk about...." We were just a bunch of 30-year olds sitting around a conference desk and sharing 6-packs of Busch"
I had a similar experience in my 20's. Me and a few friends ( and probably consuming some beverage, and maybe other things...lol ) had similar types of discussions. It had to do with the speed of light. That is.... If you had a car that could travel at the speed of light and you turned on the headlights....what would you see? At first thought, they would not work. The headlights beam would not be able go faster than the car, thus you could not see beyond the car.....or could you? We argued about that quite a bit. To this day, I'm not sure what the correct answer is. If I had to guess. If you are in the car, all would seem normal and the headlights would work. However, if you were an observer, you would not even see the car coming, let alone if it had headlights. The reason I think inside the car it would seem normal is that time slows down the faster you go and may even come to stop when you are traveling at the speed of light. Does that mean the headlights would be normal....who the hell knows. This is just stuff that keeps me up at night....lol
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