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Post by ricardo on May 28, 2022 7:43:36 GMT -7
It's all fun & games until the probing starts.
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Post by End Zone on May 28, 2022 10:32:20 GMT -7
I am looking forward to Webb's new contributions to astrophysics. We live in interesting times! A couple friends and me did some chalkboard work about a decade ago to try to understand what the local universe might have looked like 14 billion years ago, or just a few earth days prior to the last 'big bang.' We also understood the idea behind the Hubble Constant theory and some it's peculiar features. For one, the word 'constant' as it was applied was incorrect. Constant speed was an error in measurement. Someone in the 1980s found out that redshifted galaxies are speeding up on their journeys. Thus, since universe expansion was now proven, the big bang theory itself became questioned. One new question: Was the pre-big bang sky unlit and completely black? Was there zero free energy and no atoms? Some friends opined that the pre-big bang universe could have looked pretty much the same as it does today. Ho so? There was light. There was atoms. There also might have been an Earth and 8 billion people! Lots of energy and hard stuff was scattered all over the heavens. Life was good in the old universe. Then, another big bang happened. That big bang shock wave destroyed everything the shock wave touched, basically erasing the former local universe. The local environment was super hot. Atoms were destroyed to down to basic particles such as quarks and bosons. As the environmental temperatures dropped and the dust settled, then atoms reformed and a new universe building process was started. A second question: What caused the last big bang? One thesis was that a high energy mass became too big and too dense, became destabilized, and exploded. Super nova 1b masses kind of do that today. On the other hand, black holes are much bigger and denser structures, but do not explode. They just evaporate, insofar as we know. The black hole at the center of our galaxy, SAG A, is about 4,000 solar masses. That one is tiny and stable compared to some other galaxy's black holes that have huge appetites and devour huge solar masses and gas at a horrendous clip. So, if there was a universe prior to our big bang, why not consider that more big bangs occurred in the past and more big bangs will occur in the future? And if all that is true, then just how old is the universe? Trillions of trillions of eons? Maybe the word ETERNAL and NEVERENDING are fitting adjectives and then we don't have to get our head around the whole space problem. Just accept the universe as it is and move on. We understand now that universe expansion is increasing ever so slightly over time. A subtle but constant force is pushing stuff around. Some stuff wants to be alone. Without resistance, there is no speed limit except light speed to keep stuff from drifting entirely out of sight forever. Way back in 1981, I was in graduate school in Texas. This is before the Hubble telescope. My friends and I were aware of the Hubble Constant. We wrote this physics question a chalkboard: What is beyond the farthest observed galaxy? Nothing? Something? If the latter, is that object (matter) coming toward our universe? If so, how will that matter interact with the matter we see in our universe? Or will it interact at all? How will humans become aware of the interaction? Will the universe fringe get hot and glow like a forest fire in the distance? We were just a bunch of 30-year olds sitting around a conference desk and sharing 6-packs of Busch and endless equations. The Webb tool will find galaxies that are so far away that they could not have sped to their current position starting 13.5 billions years ago. Not unless their 'constant' speed was much higher than speed observed today. Some smart person will say out loud that the big bang was not the first or last big bang. And when that is all sorted out, the laws of physics will become turned upside down. Wow....you said a lot there. I can't say I agree with all of your conclusions, but who knows. These things are hard to prove one way or the other. The cool thing is that you wondered about it and tried to make some sense of it all. I'm no cosmetologist, I only have a high school education. What I know only comes from my desire to know and reading countless articles and watching shows about such things. This is really what I wanted to talk about...." We were just a bunch of 30-year olds sitting around a conference desk and sharing 6-packs of Busch"
I had a similar experience in my 20's. Me and a few friends ( and probably consuming some beverage, and maybe other things...lol ) had similar types of discussions. It had to do with the speed of light. That is.... If you had a car that could travel at the speed of light and you turned on the headlights....what would you see? At first thought, they would not work. The headlights beam would not be able go faster than the car, thus you could not see beyond the car.....or could you? We argued about that quite a bit. To this day, I'm not sure what the correct answer is. If I had to guess. If you are in the car, all would seem normal and the headlights would work. However, if you were an observer, you would not even see the car coming, let alone if it had headlights. The reason I think inside the car it would seem normal is that time slows down the faster you go and may even come to stop when you are traveling at the speed of light. Does that mean the headlights would be normal....who the hell knows. This is just stuff that keeps me up at night....lol Ah, the car passenger and headlight beam question and the idea of time being affected by speed. In the math lab, it is true that time can be affected by speed. E = MC 2 (squared). I sometimes ponder the idea of time slowing down when thinking about vast space distances, traveling quickly from point to point, and the ultimate traveler speed limit--the speed of a photon moving through a vacuum is about 186,000 mps, or darned quick running in the 40yd dash. Time has many definitions. For your above car passenger and headlight beam question, consider that time is a measurement used to quantify rates of change of quantities in material reality or in the conscious experience. At light speed, the view of material things inside the car (the conscience experience) will change. Time on your wrist watch will change. However, regarding the space view outside the lightspeed car, nothing will be perceived to change. Time along with the conscious experience stops. How so? The key is the maximum photon speed in a vacuum and our conscious experience. What you see in the headlight beams outside the car are photons moving along at the same speed as you. Think about it this way. Sitting in your living room, a picture on the wall is always the same. But look outside the living room window, and the view changes minute by minute because photons are moving around much faster than you are. But, in a car going at lightspeed, you catch up to those photons, and the view will change from slo-mo to freeze-frame. That deer in the headlight beam will just stand there in the middle of the road, staring back at you, until the car slows down below 186,000 mps. I hope that makes sense. Oh, the car headlights are normal for this discussion. .
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Post by thomas cat on May 28, 2022 21:29:35 GMT -7
Thanks for you post. Lots of interesting ideas there. After making my post, I tried googling the answer. Surprisingly, me and my friends were not the first to ponder this. Unfortunately, there was no clear answer.
I think it is because no matter how you figure it, no vehicle can do the speed of light. From what I understand, it would take infinite energy for something that has mass. Only photons and other massless particles can achieve the speed of light.
Some of this this stuff is unknowable because it cannot happen.
Still, I think about this stuff all the time....we won't even get into the grandfather effect with time travel.....I don't think its possible.
The universe is a curious thing. Its not only weird but weirder than we can imagine.
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Post by End Zone on May 29, 2022 7:28:40 GMT -7
Thanks for you post. Lots of interesting ideas there. After making my post, I tried googling the answer. Surprisingly, me and my friends were not the first to ponder this. Unfortunately, there was no clear answer. I think it is because no matter how you figure it, no vehicle can do the speed of light. From what I understand, it would take infinite energy for something that has mass. Only photons and other massless particles can achieve the speed of light. Some of this this stuff is unknowable because it cannot happen. Still, I think about this stuff all the time....we won't even get into the grandfather effect with time travel.....I don't think its possible. The universe is a curious thing. Its not only weird but weirder than we can imagine.TC, I do not think your imagination is limited. And thanks for keeping this thread alive. Here's something else known to be very curious: Dark Energy and its affect on everything we see and sense in space. I know you have heard of dark energy, an unknown form of energy that affects the universe on the largest scales. The first observational evidence for dark energy existence came from measurements of supernovas, or exploding stars, which showed that the universe does not expand at a constant rate. Poor Mr. Hubble, his Hubble Constant theory was retired that sunny day. What is the largest scale? Hmmm, I'm 100% sure that is the distance from where I am sitting right now in Virginia (point A) to the most distant point known in the galaxy (point B). And that distance (measured at 13.5 light years from A-B in order to make the distance more understandable) is definitely not the largest known scale, or it was not until about ... uh, 1 second ago -- because the farthest known galaxy MACS0647-JD is still pushing outward faster and faster and into an assumed black edge void at 73 km per second. Since I started writing this note, the galaxy is about 1000 seconds x 73 kilometers farther away. Various cosmologists estimate the number of galaxies at 100 billion. That number is based on an exhaustive study done using numerous ground- and space-based telescopes and other instruments across a 2-month timeframe several years ago. When Webb is fully functional sometime in 2022, another study will be done and the number of estimated galaxies is projected to double, to 200 billion -- Webb is able to assess an expanded range of light frequencies. And that is just the number of galaxies in the known (or local) universe. What about the other universes out there? Man, I just opened another can of worms. So, I'm with you -- How much weird stuff is going on? Unlimited. I ask myself every month or so: Is there any doubt that 'alien' life exists somewhere out there? My firm answer is yes, aliens exist. I'll leave the house porch light on tonight in case guests show up. PutMeIn
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Post by knobby on May 29, 2022 19:23:39 GMT -7
UFOs. By any other name they are real and they are and have been here.
Any of you guys seen one or more, ever?
I have. Many years ago the wife and I were sitting out in the back yard in the early evening (sun had gone down) looking for satellites, which was the thing back then. We always saw one or two each time we tried, and this evening was no
different. We are in Phoenix, AZ. and skies are generally quite clear and unobstructed.
We saw one satellite going S/N, and another two going roughly W/E.
Then a bit later, looking South-southwest and upward at about 45 degrees from the horizon, two unusually bright "stars"
were noted, about a finger width apart (with arm extended). We watched idly for a while, when the easternmost moved
in a quick down and up "U" movement of about 3 degrees width and to the West, so it was nearer the other... whereupon
the other object disappeared from sight immediately.
That moved object was still for several seconds, then a brief, bright horizontal "bar" of light extended back in the direction
of the disappeared object. It looked like a wide beam of a laser, but limited in length to about 3 degrees. NO explosion
or other visible event, and then the western object instantly disappeared. Nothing further was seen, and never again the
same kind of sighting since.
Thinking about it later, I decided that the sun's light had illuminated those two things to make them shine so brightly, and that they had to be large and high enough that the sun was still illuminating them even though on the surface here it was dark enough to see the usual star field, satellites and of course the occasional aircraft. They were NOT stars, not balloons,
not aircraft. They were perfectly still until the one made it's move.
The above is fact, not fiction. No, I am not insane or some drooling idiot or writer of imaginary things.
I am convinced there is some kind of intelligence controlling these things, and that they are not from this planet as natives (at least in our historical time span). I am also convinced that "they" can do damn well as they please and we can never match what they have to play with. Therefore, we can only hope that whoever/whatever they are, they will be
gentle with us mere earthlings.
I am also convinced that certain governmental segments, our secret agencies, and perhaps others are well aware of it all,
but cannot reveal anything. It is also easy - very easy - to believe that some of them are among us and causing mischief or even mayhem to achieve their unknown aims.
Certainly some of those latter individuals must be in politics. Too many weirdos than would otherwise be in power, and too much loss of personal freedoms in recent history. (IMHO)
I would appreciate comments on the above, or similar eyeball reports.
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Post by End Zone on May 30, 2022 7:58:23 GMT -7
UFOs. By any other name they are real and they are and have been here.
Any of you guys seen one or more, ever?
I have. Many years ago the wife and I were sitting out in the back yard in the early evening (sun had gone down) looking for satellites, which was the thing back then. We always saw one or two each time we tried, and this evening was no
different. We are in Phoenix, AZ. and skies are generally quite clear and unobstructed.
We saw one satellite going S/N, and another two going roughly W/E.
Then a bit later, looking South-southwest and upward at about 45 degrees from the horizon, two unusually bright "stars"
were noted, about a finger width apart (with arm extended). We watched idly for a while, when the easternmost moved
in a quick down and up "U" movement of about 3 degrees width and to the West, so it was nearer the other... whereupon
the other object disappeared from sight immediately.
That moved object was still for several seconds, then a brief, bright horizontal "bar" of light extended back in the direction
of the disappeared object. It looked like a wide beam of a laser, but limited in length to about 3 degrees. NO explosion
or other visible event, and then the western object instantly disappeared. Nothing further was seen, and never again the
same kind of sighting since.
Thinking about it later, I decided that the sun's light had illuminated those two things to make them shine so brightly, and that they had to be large and high enough that the sun was still illuminating them even though on the surface here it was dark enough to see the usual star field, satellites and of course the occasional aircraft. They were NOT stars, not balloons,
not aircraft. They were perfectly still until the one made it's move.
The above is fact, not fiction. No, I am not insane or some drooling idiot or writer of imaginary things.
I am convinced there is some kind of intelligence controlling these things, and that they are not from this planet as natives (at least in our historical time span). I am also convinced that "they" can do damn well as they please and we can never match what they have to play with. Therefore, we can only hope that whoever/whatever they are, they will be
gentle with us mere earthlings.
I am also convinced that certain governmental segments, our secret agencies, and perhaps others are well aware of it all,
but cannot reveal anything. It is also easy - very easy - to believe that some of them are among us and causing mischief or even mayhem to achieve their unknown aims.
Certainly some of those latter individuals must be in politics. Too many weirdos than would otherwise be in power, and too much loss of personal freedoms in recent history. (IMHO)
I would appreciate comments on the above, or similar eyeball reports.
Knobby, I can tell by your text that you and the Missus really saw what you say you both saw in the night sky -- you are telling truth. I have not observed any UFO in my many decades of running around the globe. Things seem explainable. And, if aliens are living among us, I guess that's okay. Their disguises are superb. And behavior wise, they certainly are no worse than some humans that we all see in the media.
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Post by knobby on May 30, 2022 21:14:33 GMT -7
UFOs. By any other name they are real and they are and have been here....
Knobby, I can tell by your text that you and the Missus really saw what you say you both saw in the night sky -- you are telling truth. I have not observed any UFO in my many decades of running around the globe. Things seem explainable. And, if aliens are living among us, I guess that's okay. Their disguises are superb. And behavior wise, they certainly are no worse than some humans that we all see in the media.
Yep. Not limited to politicians, certainly. I just picked on them because of how things operate in D. C.
If some 'entity' wanted to change the way the world works, they/it would infiltrate high and influential places. Media is one main area to control or direct, plus religion, and education top to bottom. Those are beside gov. departments which if I were directing such things would be initial targets. How well do you know our Pentagon military guys? Or even mid and lower level officers? Gotta suspect everyone!!
Who is to say any person among us is truly 100% human, or some doppelganger from elsewhere? If you were really controlled by 'them', would you ever know it, or be aware that your were thinking directed thoughts? Doubtful.
Regarding disguises, 'they' may have no physical form but be pure intellect which can take over anyone's brain? No body? No problem. In that scenario all physical functions would be done by AI operated mechanical or biological units.
Possible? Who is to say yes or no?
All I am sure of is what I have seen, which led me to at least consider some unusual but not impossible answers.
There is so much beyond our comprehension or even ability to imagine that when it comes to humans being superior, that is a true joke when applied to the universe as a whole. Superior to rocks, maybe. Otherwise, pretty pitiful beings with way too many flaws.
And yet I don't mind being one of those miserable humans. I will pass on before learning THE truth and that makes me sad.
So much to learn, so little time. I should have had some Methuselah genes. Maybe I can reincarnate and keep what little
I know now... but then I could come back as a snake or cockroach, so forget that.
Oh well, it's been largely a good, if too brief life.
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Post by End Zone on May 31, 2022 13:54:28 GMT -7
Hey Knobby, if you can just hang in there a few more years, you might actually see the first fully functional AI human. It (not a he/she/shim/cys, but a true it) is coming to a town near you and me. I'm guessing by 2050 at the latest, aka 28 years, we will become THE CIRCUS FREAK SHOW and ugly subordinates to a perfect higher form that cares little about humans except for the pet messes we make across the utopian's climate perfected landscape.
Fabricating a 100% AI humanoid is not hard. Most human body parts are heavy waterlogged fatty blobs that exist mostly to keep the brain functioning and our sex organs working long enough to make more itty bitty humans. If sex is not important to our existence (oh my, then what's the point of achieving puberty?), that leaves just the brain to "build back better." Doh, did I just say that? It is a fact that the human brain is already obsolete compared to chipset technology which can perform billions of calculations every second and give orders to other cyber and mechanical parts. Mechanical parts can do anything a human body can do but a lot better and faster and never get sick and die or need Social Security old age support. What's missing in an AI human? Rational thought, which is not Spock thought or logic-based outcomes, but that human decision-making process that has lots of warts and tradeoffs and usually gets people killed before figuring out the right path.
Yep, life is too brief, compared to the life of an alien or AI human. Aliens live forever. Maybe ditto for AI humans. We'll know in 28 years.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on May 31, 2022 15:12:05 GMT -7
What's missing in an AI human? Rational thought, which is not Spock thought or logic-based outcomes, but that human decision-making process that has lots of warts and tradeoffs and usually gets people killed before figuring out the right path These are unreal : This is some spooky stuff we are dealing with here. Remember this movie "Colossus" A very telling example of AI taking over The speed Of AI The Trailer: Collossus The Forbin Project Collossus Gives an Ultimatum
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Post by thomas cat on May 31, 2022 17:03:19 GMT -7
What's missing in an AI human? Rational thought, which is not Spock thought or logic-based outcomes, but that human decision-making process that has lots of warts and tradeoffs and usually gets people killed before figuring out the right path These are unreal : This is some spooky stuff we are dealing with here. Remember this movie "Colossus" A very telling example of AI taking over The speed Of AI The Trailer: Collossus The Forbin Project Collossus Gives an Ultimatum Wow, I did not expect The Forbin Project movie would ever be mentioned here. Many years ago, I saw that in the theaters when it first came out.....and a few more times since then on TV. Its one of my all time favorite sci-fi movies. I have always enjoyed good sci-fi movies. The trouble with a lot of them, they think its all about special effects with little thought to provoking thoughts or ideas. Most are just big space battles with weird looking aliens. They can be fun and maybe entertaining but you quickly forget about them. Movies like the Forbin project will give you something to think about for years to come.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on May 31, 2022 17:20:42 GMT -7
These are unreal : This is some spooky stuff we are dealing with here. Remember this movie "Colossus" A very telling example of AI taking over The speed Of AI The Trailer: Collossus The Forbin Project Collossus Gives an Ultimatum Wow, I did not expect The Forbin Project movie would ever be mentioned here. Many years ago, I saw that in the theaters when it first came out.....and a few more times since then on TV. Its one of my all time favorite sci-fi movies. I have always enjoyed good sci-fi movies. The trouble with a lot of them, they think its all about special effects with little thought to provoking thoughts or ideas. Most are just big space battles with weird looking aliens. They can be fun and maybe entertaining but you quickly forget about them. Movies like the Forbin project will give you something to think about for years to come. Here is another Chilling movie The Demon Seed The Trailer Proteus requests a dialogue The Birth < Creepy as hell Alexa vs Proteus
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Post by thomas cat on May 31, 2022 17:48:12 GMT -7
Hey Knobby, if you can just hang in there a few more years, you might actually see the first fully functional AI human. It (not a he/she/shim/cys, but a true it) is coming to a town near you and me. I'm guessing by 2050 at the latest, aka 28 years, we will become THE CIRCUS FREAK SHOW and ugly subordinates to a perfect higher form that cares little about humans except for the pet messes we make across the utopian's climate perfected landscape. Fabricating a 100% AI humanoid is not hard. Most human body parts are heavy waterlogged fatty blobs that exist mostly to keep the brain functioning and our sex organs working long enough to make more itty bitty humans. If sex is not important to our existence (oh my, then what's the point of achieving puberty?), that leaves just the brain to "build back better." Doh, did I just say that? It is a fact that the human brain is already obsolete compared to chipset technology which can perform billions of calculations every second and give orders to other cyber and mechanical parts. Mechanical parts can do anything a human body can do but a lot better and faster and never get sick and die or need Social Security old age support. What's missing in an AI human? Rational thought, which is not Spock thought or logic-based outcomes, but that human decision-making process that has lots of warts and tradeoffs and usually gets people killed before figuring out the right path. Yep, life is too brief, compared to the life of an alien or AI human. Aliens live forever. Maybe ditto for AI humans. We'll know in 28 years. Its kind of funny that AI has been brought up. Why do I say that? Just today, I had the most realistic experience with a form of AI that I have ever had. I had a minor issue with something that I ordered from Amazon. I was trying to contact customer service. After going through a few sub menus, I got to one where I could talk and it would talk back ( not type but talk )....it was not a human and it even said so. The thing is, you did not have to use specific phrases for it to understand. I'm sure you could easily trip it up and confuse it, but if stuck to the facts and asked pertinent questions it would understand and was as close as I have ever come to talking to human even though it wasn't. It was very close to talking with a real life human. I don't know how good Alexa is....I don't have it. Maybe this is not that much better. The point is, this stuff is getting better everyday. It won't be long when we will have trouble distinguishing AI from human
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Post by FLCardinalFan on May 31, 2022 17:52:56 GMT -7
Hey Knobby, if you can just hang in there a few more years, you might actually see the first fully functional AI human. It (not a he/she/shim/cys, but a true it) is coming to a town near you and me. I'm guessing by 2050 at the latest, aka 28 years, we will become THE CIRCUS FREAK SHOW and ugly subordinates to a perfect higher form that cares little about humans except for the pet messes we make across the utopian's climate perfected landscape. Fabricating a 100% AI humanoid is not hard. Most human body parts are heavy waterlogged fatty blobs that exist mostly to keep the brain functioning and our sex organs working long enough to make more itty bitty humans. If sex is not important to our existence (oh my, then what's the point of achieving puberty?), that leaves just the brain to "build back better." Doh, did I just say that? It is a fact that the human brain is already obsolete compared to chipset technology which can perform billions of calculations every second and give orders to other cyber and mechanical parts. Mechanical parts can do anything a human body can do but a lot better and faster and never get sick and die or need Social Security old age support. What's missing in an AI human? Rational thought, which is not Spock thought or logic-based outcomes, but that human decision-making process that has lots of warts and tradeoffs and usually gets people killed before figuring out the right path. Yep, life is too brief, compared to the life of an alien or AI human. Aliens live forever. Maybe ditto for AI humans. We'll know in 28 years. Its kind of funny that AI has been brought up. Why do I say that? Just today, I had the most realistic experience with a form of AI that I have ever had. I had a minor issue with something that I ordered from Amazon. I was trying to contact customer service. After going through a few sub menus, I got to one where I could talk and it would talk back....it was not a human and it even said so. The thing is, you did not have to use specific phrases for it to understand. I'm sure you could easily trip it up and confuse it, but if stuck to the facts and asked pertinent questions it would understand and was as close as I have ever come to talking to human even though it wasn't. It was very close to talking with a real life human. I don't know how good Alexa is....I don't have it. Maybe this is not that much better. The point is, this stuff is getting better everyday. It won't be long when we will have trouble distinguishing AI from human TC Watch Out AI is groomng you dont Fall For IT IT is no longer it Now it is IT Information technology
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Post by End Zone on Jun 1, 2022 2:51:33 GMT -7
Hey Knobby, if you can just hang in there a few more years, you might actually see the first fully functional AI human. It (not a he/she/shim/cys, but a true it) is coming to a town near you and me. I'm guessing by 2050 at the latest, aka 28 years, we will become THE CIRCUS FREAK SHOW and ugly subordinates to a perfect higher form that cares little about humans except for the pet messes we make across the utopian's climate perfected landscape. Fabricating a 100% AI humanoid is not hard. Most human body parts are heavy waterlogged fatty blobs that exist mostly to keep the brain functioning and our sex organs working long enough to make more itty bitty humans. If sex is not important to our existence (oh my, then what's the point of achieving puberty?), that leaves just the brain to "build back better." Doh, did I just say that? It is a fact that the human brain is already obsolete compared to chipset technology which can perform billions of calculations every second and give orders to other cyber and mechanical parts. Mechanical parts can do anything a human body can do but a lot better and faster and never get sick and die or need Social Security old age support. What's missing in an AI human? Rational thought, which is not Spock thought or logic-based outcomes, but that human decision-making process that has lots of warts and tradeoffs and usually gets people killed before figuring out the right path. Yep, life is too brief, compared to the life of an alien or AI human. Aliens live forever. Maybe ditto for AI humans. We'll know in 28 years. Its kind of funny that AI has been brought up. Why do I say that? Just today, I had the most realistic experience with a form of AI that I have ever had. I had a minor issue with something that I ordered from Amazon. I was trying to contact customer service. After going through a few sub menus, I got to one where I could talk and it would talk back ( not type but talk )....it was not a human and it even said so. The thing is, you did not have to use specific phrases for it to understand. I'm sure you could easily trip it up and confuse it, but if stuck to the facts and asked pertinent questions it would understand and was as close as I have ever come to talking to human even though it wasn't. It was very close to talking with a real life human. I don't know how good Alexa is....I don't have it. Maybe this is not that much better. The point is, this stuff is getting better everyday. It won't be long when we will have trouble distinguishing AI from human TC, funny that you mention communicating by voice with an Amazon bot. After you were trained to use exact voice phrases, then I assume that you got the the service you needed. Did you have an opportunity to rate the bot service? 10 = Great. 1 = Awful. Industry is indeed pushing hard to develop AI tools to do many things done by humans. Although, I want to think of bots as aides or partners, but not bosses or owners. Here is mine and my wife's recent experiences with AI: Two weeks ago, I was online at about 730am and perusing the pickup truck inventory at a local auto dealership, when a 'chat' window popped up in the lower right corner and the person on the other end asked if I had any questions. I use chat windows all the time while shopping at numerous sites, so I am familiar with remoted workers, cube farms, and switchboards. This was a text-only chat window with a woman named Bianca. Her portrait photo was provided in the chat window -- head and shoulders type shot, long brunette hair, youngish appearance, and smiling. I typed to Bianca that I hoped her day was going well. I was interested in a specific new 2022 F150. I provided the truck's VIN from the window sticker provided online at the dealer's website. Bianca acknowledged my request and advised that I stand by. A few seconds went by, and then Bianca typed back that the truck was at the dealership, and do I have any other questions. I typed back that I wanted to see the truck and that I would arrive at the dealership at 10am. I wanted to look at the truck and maybe take a short test drive. I also asked that the truck be brought into the customer service area so that I could first do a walk-around. It was raining that morning. Bianca typed back that the truck would be ready for me at 10am. I thanked her and logged off. About 30 minutes passed and my cell phone rang. A man on the line asked for me by name, and then introduced himself. He was a sales manager at the dealership, saw the chat with Bianca, and had pulled up my customer file. He told me that the Ford company monitors chat windows. He saw my conversation with Bianca after he arrived at his office and logged on to his computer. He saw that Bianca had agreed to the 10am appointment. Here's the shocker for me -- the manager advised me that Bianca was not real. She was a bot. I was dumbfounded. He recognized that I did not know she was a bot, had made an appointment, and he (human) had to step in. The man apologized for the bot misrepresentation. We both laughed. I said that was a first time for me. I usual know the difference between bots and people. Finally, he said the truck was not at the dealership. The truck actually was still in transit from Dearborn, MI, and will arrive in the near future. The bot could only see the VIN and matched it to the dealer's inventory. Because the bot wanted me to be a satisfied customer, the bot said the truck was available for me at 10am. Bots are not perfect, but man, they are good enough to fool us sometimes. They are going to get better and better at imitating humans. Surpassing humans is next. A week ago, my wife was fiddling around with the voice commands in her new German car. My wife is not savvy with new tech and sometimes gets frustrated with change. While finger-poking at the SiriusXM screen icons to select the music genre and a station, the voice command instead requested that she just say what station she wanted. My wife was caught off guard by the car's voice request. She just sat still and said nothing, thinking what to do next. Then after a few seconds, the voice command said, "Hello, are you still there? Please say what station you want. I cannot read minds." That last phrase was the red star cluster, or warning shot over the bow. Machines reading human minds is next. When we become predictable and controllable by machines, that's when we are all burnt toast. Good luck with Alexa. She's a sweetie.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Jun 1, 2022 4:19:49 GMT -7
I have something similar to Alexa
Here are a few examples of what she can and cannot do
FLCF Good morning Please turn on the lights
Wifey I will as soon as you get up and turn them on
FLCF Wifey, will you please make some coffee
Wifey You know where it is in the frig and you know I don't drink coffee
FLCF I want to get Alexa in our home
Wifey As soon as she can make the beds and do the wash cook & clean then you can get her.
FLCF What about mowing the lawn?
Wifey Thats your job!
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