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Post by ricardo on Nov 4, 2021 15:14:27 GMT -7
Sorry, I think all this covid, Mandate jab, media blah Blah crap is like a bunch of soap opera show drama BS that never ends....
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Post by thomas cat on Nov 4, 2021 20:07:20 GMT -7
Knobby, my thoughts on this matter: (1) The NFL will not give the Packers a hall pass just because QB Rodgers is an MVP and an NFL star player on the winningest team ever.
(2) The NFL will investigate the Packers for being complicit or at least dumb in how they handled Rodgers non-vaccination status and his behaviors.
(3) The Rodgers and WR positive test results across two weeks, and multiple past videos showing team lackadaisical manners, are proof of a problem inside the Packers organization.
(4) Rodgers also may have exposed many other people to the virus, including Cardinals offensive and defensive players at the TNF game a week ago on October 28th.
(5) During a video interview on November 3rd, Packers HC LeFleur reacted to media questions in a sort of cavalier manner, stating the organization's protocol processes are good and that the team will get through this challenge. Of course, the HC takes this matter seriously and is not going to admit on the record any wrongdoing.
(6) I love conspiracy theories as much as anyone, but I do not think that the Packers QB would intentionally expose the Cardinals players to COVID-19 at the TNF game in order to torpedo the NFC's best team through the regular season schedule. (7) The Packers had a COVID-19 problem with players prior to the TNF game with the Cardinals on October 28th. Six days after the game, on November 3rd, QB Rodgers tested positive for COVID-19. This virus infection trend line demonstrates the need for NFL HQ special action to assist the Packers to sanitize.
(8) COVID-19’s incubation period lasts up to 14 days. Reference nortonhealthcare.com/news/how-long-after-exposure-to-test-positive-for-covid/ . Ref meets ProBoards standard.
Because the Packers organization and NFL knew Rodgers was not vaccinated, and considering the that other players were exposed and tested positive prior to TNF game, why was Rodgers allowed to play at TNF? Did he prove no close contact with the exposed teammates and also test negative? Or, did the staff just defer to Rodgers about contacts and trust his feedback in addition to the negative test? We all know Rodgers the QB exploits every rule and gap to gain advantage. When did Rodgers body start to shed viruses? Before or after October 28th? When his body started shedding the COVID-19 virus, he was immediately infectious. Lastly, most people shedding COVID-19 viruses become ill. When or did Rodgers feel ill? He would know then that something is wrong if his sinus are wrecked and he is running a high temperature. If he said nothing to trainers or team MDs about a change in pulmonary condition, then that's vintage Rodgers again, exploiting the NFL system to his advantage.
*** Something is definitely fishy at Green Bay. The NFL's investigation is ongoing. We'll just have to disagree on your point #6. ![:Rolleyes:](//storage.proboards.com/6938373/images/FYPDfqpqvfQkOMcCnPjX.gif) Time may or may not tell. I am not a conspiracy believer either. Rarely do they turn out to be true. However this may not be that much of a conspiracy. Think about it. We all remember "Bountygate". There is no difference here and crap like that can and does happen in the NFL. I want to be very clear, I don't think that was Aron Rodgers goal, but him just him giving KM some support. Still and from AR's recent behavior, it makes you wonder. We will never know for sure...for the sake of good sportsmanship and the good of the sport lets hope it was just a what it seemed like....a friendly post game greeting.
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Post by Chirpn’time on Nov 4, 2021 21:25:41 GMT -7
The NFL and GB Packers are giving Rogers rates to Aaron and upholding industry standards isn’t the same with the faces of the league as with lesser players, coaches and staff. Clear direction on face coverings during press conferences and on areas like sidelines while not playing for players not vaccinated. There were many stipulations on public gatherings, travel, team activities and team meetings.
By the NFL allowing AR to not be held to same standards as the rest of the league…Aaron has put all teams and players at risk according to official NFL mandates. Many staff and employees of teams lost their jobs and their NFL careers ended due to the hardline of the owners agreeing to this hard line drawn.
Yet there is a evident ignoring of Aaron and his actions as a unvaccinated player (although unknown to public the team and NFL would be aware of his not being vaccinated) and enforcement to less important players and staff. PREJUDICE at least.
If the strong mandates were installed to protect the NFL from interruption or shutdown the violation of such measures would be a display of lack of concern for uninterrupted NFL play and carry heavy handed discipline.
The undue risks and competition advantage of GB is much worse than air pressure of football. GB allowed a unvaccinated player to expose himself players and staff of the teams they played this year. GB should be forced to forfeit all wins thus far this year plus further fines and maybe forfeit some draft stock.
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Post by knobby on Nov 4, 2021 21:30:17 GMT -7
We'll just have to disagree on your point #6. ![:Rolleyes:](//storage.proboards.com/6938373/images/FYPDfqpqvfQkOMcCnPjX.gif) Time may or may not tell. I am not a conspiracy believer either. Rarely do they turn out to be true. However this may not be that much of a conspiracy. Think about it. We all remember "Bountygate". There is no difference here and crap like that can and does happen in the NFL. I want to be very clear, I don't think that was Aron Rodgers goal, but him just him giving KM some support. Still and from AR's recent behavior, it makes you wonder. We will never know for sure...for the sake of good sportsmanship and the good of the sport lets hope it was just a what it seemed like....a friendly post game greeting.
I hope you are right, but that was a *very* friendly greeting after the game ended. I can't find a video clip to check, but think I recall KM starting to move away when Rodgers moved in closer and got in his ear/face for additional conversation. That raised my eyebrows at the time... and like you I do wonder even more now that the vaccination/immunization is in question, along with who knew what, and when.
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Post by cardinalsdo on Nov 5, 2021 2:14:26 GMT -7
According to 98.7 he is unvaccinated so he will NOT be playing vs. the Chiefs this Sunday so that is good news for Cardinal fans. If 100% of Card players are vaccinated -- could they get caught up with "contact tracing" if Rodgers stayed in Phx last week and went to dinner or golfed with some of the Card players ? Per Tom Grossi (Packer voice), How is Lezard (sp) out, last Thursday, cause of close contact but, Rodgers is not?!? Now Rodgers is positive, smells really fishy!!! You are asking the question that everyone should be asking. Was there a coverup? Did the Packers cover it up to allow Rodgers to play versus the Cardinals? Is this a possibility?
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Post by cardinalsdo on Nov 5, 2021 2:33:20 GMT -7
You do have a point there. So Rodgers should have been sitting out our game according to the rules. Maybe they should be forced to forfeit that game for not following the rules. 0% chance that the NFL enforces a post-game forfeit, even for something as serious as Covid is for the NFL. At worst, the Packers will lose draft picks for concealing Rodgers' vaccine status, or maybe Rodgers serves a suspension if he is proven to have lied. Love how the media glossed over this. Teams should be held to the same rules. There will be some whistle blower who has knowledge that Rodgers was positive brefore the Cardinals game and it was covered up. And I would not be surprised if Rodgers is suspended for one game and the Packers are fined. It's coming
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Nov 5, 2021 3:52:31 GMT -7
0% chance that the NFL enforces a post-game forfeit, even for something as serious as Covid is for the NFL. At worst, the Packers will lose draft picks for concealing Rodgers' vaccine status, or maybe Rodgers serves a suspension if he is proven to have lied. Love how the media glossed over this. Teams should be held to the same rules. There will be some whistle blower who has knowledge that Rodgers was positive brefore the Cardinals game and it was covered up. And I would not be surprised if Rodgers is suspended for one game and the Packers are fined. It's coming I will be absolutely astounded if Aaron Rodgers is suspended one game. I don't think he's going to be disciplined at all. The Packer organization might get a fine but that's going to be it. Personally I think anyone that knows they have an infectious disease and doesn't take any steps to prevent from infecting any other person should be subject to criminal penalties. Any of that doesn't really bother me either way. What bothers me is that once again the Cardinals will be the victim of another team that violated the rules but they still got the w and the Cardinals still got the loss.
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Post by Chirpn’time on Nov 5, 2021 7:37:01 GMT -7
My hope is the mods keep this thread under the Cardinals because Aaron Rogers actions of violating NFL rules and guidelines although not criminal are egregious and did have a negative effect on Arizona’s win loss and play off hopes or seating. Funny how the owner of Indy pushed for Pats to get discipline for their violations of NFL rules and guidelines and the league responded. The owners were definite preseason on Covid protocol and rules for players and staff.
By Aaron not following the protocol and GB and NFL not enforcing him to do so puts all players and teams at risk of losing players or staff of opposing teams thus was the basis for the protocol in the first place to ensure guidelines to avoid interruption or shutdown of the NFL. Thus the loss of employment of several players and staff who are no longer employed by NFL based on not willing to comply or NFL removing them for noncompliance.
There is speculation that Butler was forced to retire for refusing vacation or to follow all NFL rules for non vaccinated players (this also put AZ at disadvantage in win loss column due to losing a projected starting CB due to these protocols and yet Aaron Rogers is given a pass).
Who is going to step up and enforce this egregious lack of uniformity in the NFL.
Az has solid evidence that their roster has taken hits that have effected their chances of additional losses and were also effected in a negative way due to Aaron being allowed to play Thursday while others on GB were held out although Aaron if following NFL rules should have been in Covid protocol due to exposure in public and other known infected players and not being vaccinated himself.
At minimum the Packers should have to forfeit the Thursday win.
If tables were turned the Cards would have been crucified. If the NFL wants to avoid double standards this is a good place to start.
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Post by Chirpn’time on Nov 5, 2021 12:00:21 GMT -7
Other NFL stipulations for unvaccinated players Unvaccinated players must keep a distance of 6 feet from others inside team facilities, and lockers must be 6 feet apart as well (with Plexiglass dividers, if possible). Media have not been given access to locker rooms as part of the COVID-19 protocols this season. Weight-room capacity is limited to 15 players when any unvaccinated player is present, and unvaccinated athletes must wear masks even when actively training. Unvaccinated players are not permitted to participate in in-person meetings at the facility. Unvaccinated players are prohibited from gathering in groups of more than three team-affiliated individuals outside the team facility (those in one of three Tiers outlined by the NFL) or during travel, including training activities, unless otherwise approved by both the NFL and NFLPA. Unvaccinated players are not permitted to travel on the team charter, even with a religious or medical exemption, and must travel separately. They also must pass a COVID-19 test to rejoin the traveling party and must test daily thereafter during road trips. They cannot eat in the cafeteria. All players, regardless of vaccination status, wear a mask during air travel and on buses. Unvaccinated players cannot mingle with other members of the traveling party once they've arrived in a game city, including at the hotel. They also cannot use the pool or other common areas in the hotel unless the facilities are closed to other hotel patrons. Those who are unvaccinated are designated as "high risk" close contacts when regarded as a close contact to another player or staff member on the team who tests positive. Those players must remain away from the team for five days even if asymptomatic (if symptomatic, it's the longer 10-day wait). This was the case for Allen Lazard when he was designated a close contact last week and missed the game in Arizona. Those unvaccinated on the NFL sideline with bench access and are not active players must wear a mask, including inactive players and police officers or EMTs who are not in a municipal or government affiliated labor union (such as EMTs or police officers). Unvaccinated players are tested every day, with vaccinated tested once per week. Unvaccinated players are subject to fines for refusing to follow guidelines, including maintaining physical distancing or attending indoor events or gatherings of more than 15 people without masks.
Was Aaron exposed like Lazard prior to Thursday game and been held out as Lazard was. With Rogers in protocol now...how many Cardinals are at risk now...GOOD JOB GB and NFL!
Now the focus is on " Video Of Aaron Rodgers At Halloween Party Going Viral", but what about him being allowed top be present and play on Thursday. THERE IS SOMTHING FISHY GOING ON.
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Post by devongent on Nov 5, 2021 12:48:27 GMT -7
The GB v AZ game was over a week ago now. Based on my own experience then any person catching the virus on the night last Thursday would already have developed symptoms.
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Post by knobby on Nov 5, 2021 13:59:36 GMT -7
Well, well, well !!
"Rodgers, who has been tested daily as part of NFL protocols for the unvaccinated, came up positive for the coronavirus on Wednesday. He said he didn’t feel well on Thursday but was much better on Friday.
He can’t rejoin the Packers for 10 days, missing Sunday’s game at Kansas City. Rodgers must have a negative test to return to the team on Nov. 13."
So I guess he could have been passing the virus around for some undetermined time period? Last Thursday night, for example??
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Post by beaverhuntr on Nov 5, 2021 14:41:14 GMT -7
Well, well, well !!
"Rodgers, who has been tested daily as part of NFL protocols for the unvaccinated, came up positive for the coronavirus on Wednesday. He said he didn’t feel well on Thursday but was much better on Friday.
He can’t rejoin the Packers for 10 days, missing Sunday’s game at Kansas City. Rodgers must have a negative test to return to the team on Nov. 13."
So I guess he could have been passing the virus around for some undetermined time period? Last Thursday night, for example?? When I got covid in January, I pretty much had flu like symptoms for 1-2 days but the loss of taste/smell lasted a couple weeks and it pretty much took 10-14 days to finally get a negative test result.
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Post by carddownunder on Nov 5, 2021 17:09:20 GMT -7
According to 98.7 he is unvaccinated so he will NOT be playing vs. the Chiefs this Sunday so that is good news for Cardinal fans. If 100% of Card players are vaccinated -- could they get caught up with "contact tracing" if Rodgers stayed in Phx last week and went to dinner or golfed with some of the Card players ? Per Tom Grossi (Packer voice), How is Lezard (sp) out, last Thursday, cause of close contact but, Rodgers is not?!? Now Rodgers is positive, smells really fishy!!! When I made my first comment about this topic, back at the beginning of this thread, I don't think that I was calling Aaron Rodgers out directly. But, after his self-righteous interview by the softball pitching McAfee and company, I feel inclined to judge. Aaron Rodgers has always been an arrogant individual, there is no question about this and most people have simply accepted it as being Aaron Rodgers. But, my friends, Aaron Rodgers has graduated from being an arrogant self absorbed person to an absolute and complete scum bag. I'm sorry if people (all Packer fans) are offended by this but, open your eyes and smell the coffee.
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Post by Drachir on Nov 5, 2021 17:50:53 GMT -7
Per Tom Grossi (Packer voice), How is Lezard (sp) out, last Thursday, cause of close contact but, Rodgers is not?!? Now Rodgers is positive, smells really fishy!!! When I made my first comment about this topic, back at the beginning of this thread, I don't think that I was calling Aaron Rodgers out directly. But, after his self-righteous interview by the softball pitching McAfee and company, I feel inclined to judge. Aaron Rodgers has always been an arrogant individual, there is no question about this and most people have simply accepted it as being Aaron Rodgers. But, my friends, Aaron Rodgers has graduated from being an arrogant self absorbed person to an absolute and complete scum bag. I'm sorry if people (all Packer fans) are offended by this but, open your eyes and smell the coffee. Personally I have never liked Aaron Rodgers, I do know that his game is off the charts though. Also, he did mentor Josh Rosen. As a matter of fact Rosen wanted so bad to go to the Packers and be his understudy. I think Rodgers and Rosen are very similar although Rosen never played on a team where he could learn the system. Not even sure where Rosen is right now but wherever he is he will be under his 5 OC in 4 years and that can't be good. *****Just looked it up and saw Josh Rosen is on his fifth team in 4 years. He is currently with the Atlanta Falcons.*****
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 5, 2021 23:01:15 GMT -7
I don’t personally like Aaron Rodgers, but don’t hate him either, and I absolutely respect his game. I think he should face punishment for not following the rules the whole NFL put in place, just to keep the playing field even. I disagree with the protocols, but the rules are the rules for this season.
But all that aside, I watched his entire interview and the guy has the same views on personal freedom and individual choice that I do. He made good points and some weaker points, but bottom line is IMO an adult human being should have a “my body, my choice” type of right when it comes to injecting a new and relatively untested mRNA concoction into themselves.
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