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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Oct 15, 2018 9:48:06 GMT -7
do we hope for as many wins as possible, thereby guaranteeing at least one more year of wilks/McCoy?
do we hope for no more wins, to hopefully be rid of McCoy at least and a very high draft pic-maybe #1 overall?
im for losing every game left but with rosen/kirk/cole developing but once game starts I just cant hope for a loss |
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Post by jonlp24 on Oct 15, 2018 10:00:28 GMT -7
I want to see them run the table but I know it is unlikely. I do want to see McCoy gone. Willing to give Wilks more time.
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Post by tlovern on Oct 15, 2018 11:24:57 GMT -7
We are on track for the first pick overall....McCoy must go - now!
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Post by clutchdj on Oct 15, 2018 11:26:43 GMT -7
I want to see them run the table but I know it is unlikely. I do want to see McCoy gone. Willing to give Wilks more time. Why? Why do some people only want McCoy gone & not Wilks? Wilks is just as incompetent as McCoy. |
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Post by r1ppedcardfan on Oct 15, 2018 11:40:51 GMT -7
I want to see them run the table but I know it is unlikely. I do want to see McCoy gone. Willing to give Wilks more time. Why? Why do some people only want McCoy gone & not Wilks? Wilks is just as incompetent as McCoy. How do you know Wilks is incompetent? The offense is the problem and he's a defensive coach. Yes, he picked the wrong OC but if the offense could keep the team off the field for half the game then we might be good. |
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Post by Zaz on Oct 15, 2018 11:45:09 GMT -7
Lose
Lose
Lose
You want things to get better? LOSE
Losing = change. Firings. Replacements. Better days
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Post by jonlp24 on Oct 15, 2018 11:45:41 GMT -7
I want to see them run the table but I know it is unlikely. I do want to see McCoy gone. Willing to give Wilks more time. Why? Why do some people only want McCoy gone & not Wilks? Wilks is just as incompetent as McCoy. A lot of the great coaches get credit for what the team of assistants. What happened to Stump Mitchell? He was a terrific RB coach. More I think of it the more I'm blaming Wilks. You may have a point but firing a head coach soon after you hire him is a sign of true dysfunction plus to give him more time to develop his defense but needs a good group of coaches under him which is his responsibility as well. |
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Post by clutchdj on Oct 15, 2018 11:51:44 GMT -7
Why? Why do some people only want McCoy gone & not Wilks? Wilks is just as incompetent as McCoy. How do you know Wilks is incompetent? The offense is the problem and he's a defensive coach. Yes, he picked the wrong OC but if the offense could keep the team off the field for half the game then we might be good. The defense isn’t good either. Hell, they just gave up 195 rushing yards to the 31st ranked offense in the league. While doing damage in the 1st quarter too so don’t use the “D was tired” excuse. You sound like some of the Broncos fans from last year thinking McCoy should only get fired when Vance Joseph is just as horrible. Now look at him. He’s still horrible. We’re following the Broncos path from last year, only just a year behind. Hopefully, Bidwill doesn’t make the same mistake in keeping Wilks after this season like Elway did with Joseph. |
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Post by jonlp24 on Oct 15, 2018 12:01:11 GMT -7
When you're going by total stats time of the field matters. Players are making mistakes on defense not filling run gaps not having the players to fit the scheme any coach would need more time. After the Cardinals brought in Bowles they weren't a good defense under the new scheme until after game 8 and he got a lot of credit when that defense was pretty good under Horton.
Plus they have a rookie QB in a coach's first season.
I agree you do make good points on Wilks.
Broncos have long been my favorite AFC Team but don't root for them because of Elway. If they get rid of Elway I may be a fan again but until then I'll root for the Browns. Even Elway acknowledged he hasn't given Joseph enough talent but Elway should fire himself while he fires Joseph.
Also the Giants are as bad as us and they brought in a new coach after firing the old one.
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Post by jonlp24 on Oct 15, 2018 12:06:27 GMT -7
Plus I would have never hired Vance Joseph because of the sex assault allegations which he apologized for (why apologize if you did nothing wrong)
Another reason why I don't like Elway.
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Post by One_Heartbeat on Oct 15, 2018 12:37:05 GMT -7
How do you know Wilks is incompetent? The offense is the problem and he's a defensive coach. Yes, he picked the wrong OC but if the offense could keep the team off the field for half the game then we might be good. The defense isn’t good either. Hell, they just gave up 195 rushing yards to the 31st ranked offense in the league. While doing damage in the 1st quarter too so don’t use the “D was tired” excuse.You sound like some of the Broncos fans from last year thinking McCoy should only get fired when Vance Joseph is just as horrible. Now look at him. He’s still horrible. We’re following the Broncos path from last year, only just a year behind. Hopefully, Bidwill doesn’t make the same mistake in keeping Wilks after this season like Elway did with Joseph. That's the point I keep making. We're told to have an endless pity party for the defense, they're so tired! I guess they get tired from resting up before the game because they get their butts kicked on the opening drive. It's OK to get a three-and-out every so often, fellas.
Yes they are getting the short end of the stick but I remember the defenses from the 2010-2012 disaster years and they hung in there a lot longer and didn't whine too terribly until they finally quit on Whisenhunt in Seattle.
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Post by jonlp24 on Oct 15, 2018 12:41:29 GMT -7
We started 4-5 that year but derailed our season going to Ryan Lindley the worst QB ever to get so much playing time.
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Post by devongent on Oct 15, 2018 15:20:51 GMT -7
Why? Why do some people only want McCoy gone & not Wilks? Wilks is just as incompetent as McCoy. How do you know Wilks is incompetent? The offense is the problem and he's a defensive coach. Yes, he picked the wrong OC but if the offense could keep the team off the field for half the game then we might be good. |
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Post by devongent on Oct 15, 2018 16:16:19 GMT -7
Were there any positives in Minnesota (even small steps?).
Just been thinking if using the percentage time actually on Offence and on Defense might be a useful barometer to look at in more detail? - I know we have been well below the 50/ 50 line, but is there any trend in the actual figures over the six games to date? - (I would do it myself and list them down on here, but I don't know where to get this data).
Trying to work out how much a loss/ poor performance is down to the coaching staff (preparation during the week / tactics during the game) or the players (actual abilities of individuals / how well they are performing against their potential) is very difficult to be precise on. - Everyone has an opinion of course. - Spending so much time on Defense suggests to my mind that the majority of our current problems are with the tactical side.
Should over the next few games there be an upward progression towards a 50/50 split then I would suggest that some changes being put in place via the coaching staff is starting to work to some extent. - IF we are then still losing the majority of the games then I am then leaning towards a viewpoint that the players as a collective are not good enough. - Simply put, we might actually be a 'bottom eight' team in the NFL and therefore there is very little can be done in the short term (like this season) to alter this situation. - We might, however, never get near to the 50/50 !
I am not able to offer any personal opinion myself on all of the above because my knowledge / understanding of the game itself is limited (hence I am not attributing 'blame' anywhere). - However, my viewpoint of not changing the coaches mid season remains. - Principally, I feel doing such rarely works out good and any new guy coming in is presented with the the same issues/ problems as of now. Really, what chance he could turn things so quickly? - I am content to leave matters to the end of the season and hope and trust that the correct decisions are made by our owner then.
I say, let the season unfold and try to enjoy it!
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Post by Raze on Oct 15, 2018 17:46:18 GMT -7
What can we do?
1. Get on places like this and vent.
2. However, don't lose your minds in the process. Transitions are always difficult unless you inherit a dynasty (George Seifert). Wilks inherited a team that was riddled with injuries and lost it's starting QB. Sure, he made one colossal error in this process; Mike McCoy. Other than that I don't know why he doesn't get cut some slack. Only one new HC this year has a winning record (Nagy in Chicago). Also, BA was a tough act to follow.
3. Enjoy watching the development of 3 starting rookies: Rosen, Kirk, and Cole. It's difficult to win with a starting rookie QB, especially one as young as Rosen. Also, Budda has been playing some great football. Another good player to add to young guys like DJ and Hump.
4. Be patient with a FO that completely shifted its O and D. These weren't small changes, they were massive. Right now everything sucks, but I'm hoping for the day where something starts to click. It'll take time with some players playing out of position. (ie. Reddick went from almost exclusively rushing the passer in the 3-4 to defending the run in the 4-3. And for the record, I didn't want him. But sheez, give the kid time to adjust. This isn't a low life prospect riddled with infractions with the law. He's a quality guy who's trying to remain as positive as possible given the difficult circumstances).
5. One more thing that drives me nuts: there are some on here that are absolutely hypocritical. You guys whine about Wilks, but remember when you wanted Shurmur? Some of you wanted Gruden. Have you been paying attention to those car fires? My point is, you spend a lot of time complaining about the current situation that Keim put us in, but your suggestions back in February were just as bad. I'm not saying you shouldn't post or be critical of Keim. Just give him the same slack you seem to give yourself.
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