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Post by beaverhuntr on Oct 10, 2018 15:04:19 GMT -7
Man The Cardinals are a mess.. Like someone said in an earlier post. I had no idea Mike McCoy sucked this bad. I mean we all heard rumors about him being bad but good lord he is a awful OC. This just further proves that Wilks was just not ready to be a head coach. He literally picked the worst offensive coordinator possible. This coaching staff just reeks of Jeff Fisher..Mike McCoy might be the single reason Wilks never gets a head coaching offer again.
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Post by End Zone on Oct 10, 2018 15:30:06 GMT -7
Dang week 5 and it's off-season talk already. I didn't think this team would be that good but not this bad. JAB, you've been around this Board a looong time and you know bad team when you see it. The team was in 'off-season' mode since the LA Rams blowout in game 2. They went bad early, and clearly deserve #32 power ranking for the entire season. |
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Post by belac44 on Oct 10, 2018 15:41:23 GMT -7
There is also a chance we just keep him and let him leave as a free agent. Probably could get a 4th/5th round comp pick for him. That's a great point. We should only trade him for greater than the value we'd expect to get from the comp pick. If he signs with a NY team, I'd expect good results from the comp. However, it'd be a completely cold move to do it. He wouldn't play, would lose money on the market, and lose a year of football. I get the business end of it, but Deone doesn't deserve that kind of treatment. Tough decision. Takes two to tango though. They also cant give him up for a 6th or 7th. |
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Oct 10, 2018 17:15:27 GMT -7
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Post by Drachir on Oct 10, 2018 19:26:44 GMT -7
Here's the thing about our defense. Sure we switched defensive schemes as it takes a little longer for the adjustments of the defense than it does for the offense. A good example of this is when everyone wanted Defensive Coordinator Todd Bowles fired six or so games into his first season as DC. The defensive finally settled into the scheme and they were a very good defense. Our defensive coordinator is new to the game and unproven with Wilks a former Defensive Coordinator and a very good one at that. I think we will adjust and finally pick it up after the bye week. We saw some defensive life during the 49ers game.
Now the offense is another story as you have a proven Offensive Coordinator failure and yet we still stick with him. He is worthless and needs to be fired immediately. I usually am not on the bandwagon of firing someone right away but his offense has credit of 1 win in the past 11 games as him being a offensive coordinator and the 1 win is more credited towards the defense than the offense.
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Post by Zaz on Oct 10, 2018 19:28:14 GMT -7
They need to figure out if we're a 4-3 or 3-4 before we start trading away pieces. we've spent the last 6-7 years building a 3-4 defense. Acquiring the players for a 3-4 defense and we had a very good 3-4 defense. I think its silly to now sell everybody off and start the slow build of a 4-3. If you have the pieces for a 3-4, including 1st round picks like Deone and Reddick, then dont waste them. Just go back to a 3-4.
This is where it shows that SK is not competent for his position. He of all people should be aware what we had and why, and realize that picking another coach with a different system would upset the cart entirely. But no, in a desperate rush to find SOMEONE at the last minute he (and MB) settled for one of the leftovers with no offense experience and a different defensive scheme. For that we now pay.
There is also the McCoy hiring, but that will be ignored for the moment.
Why did this occur? Because IMO there was and is no long term plan (or contingency plans) for the team, or if there is it is completely inadequate and missing vital pieces to be effective. Either way, it is a big FAIL stamped on the Cardinals management.
A plan in place would have eliminated the last minute shopping to seek a new coach because the next candidates would have been identified and researched - and discreet inquiries made. That should have started when BA was having medical issues, at least.
A plan in place would have provided for Palmer retiring by starting a replacement search well before that time based on age, physical condition and reality.
A plan in place would have identified missing personnel required for success on the field.
A qualified GM would have seen things moving in the wrong direction and taken corrective action.
A qualified GM would have advised MB against some of his contract extension or other errors and gently given advice.
A qualified GM would do those things and more - but SK did not, as proven by events.
Some defend SK because of success with trades, as do I, but overall he is a liability to the success of the team and organization. Keep him as a Trade Specialist perhaps, but remove him as GM. He is too costly and ill-equipped for his position.
I don't know whether Micheal Bidwill knows or realizes this, but hopefully he is learning fast by painful example, and will remedy things in time to avoid being the cellar dweller for years.
This has been another partially off-topic screed which is totally my opinion, for consideration or ridicule as you see fit. But I feel better for it.
I concur. The radio show on this evening (Not Gambo and the other guy), Jody and the ginger from Cards.com, I think Jody said this coaching staff always preaches adjusting the system to the players strengths, but theyve done anything but that. We have the pieces for a 3-4 yet they are forcing a 4-3 down our throats. And even worse a crime: they are wasting David Johnsons catching ability. Whens the last time we threw to DJ? terrible terrible. Keim is also as responsible as the coaches because hes standing by and letting this happen |
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Post by clutchdj on Oct 10, 2018 20:58:47 GMT -7
Here's the thing about our defense. Sure we switched defensive schemes as it takes a little longer for the adjustments of the defense than it does for the offense. A good example of this is when everyone wanted Defensive Coordinator Todd Bowles fired six or so games into his first season as DC. The defensive finally settled into the scheme and they were a very good defense. Our defensive coordinator is new to the game and unproven with Wilks a former Defensive Coordinator and a very good one at that. I think we will adjust and finally pick it up after the bye week. We saw some defensive life during the 49ers game. Now the offense is another story as you have a proven Offensive Coordinator failure and yet we still stick with him. He is worthless and needs to be fired immediately. I usually am not on the bandwagon of firing someone right away but his offense has credit of 1 win in the past 11 games as him being a offensive coordinator and the 1 win is more credited towards the defense than the offense. Are you sure Wilks was a “very good” DC? Or he just inhabited what Ron Rivera & Sean McDermott laid upon him? I remember seeing a stat where the Carolina D gave up the most passing yards in the league during the last half of the season. |
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Post by aris on Oct 10, 2018 21:47:15 GMT -7
Buc's agent is behind this. He's worried he's not doing well and with his pending free agency could mean a tryout vs. millions. I'm not sure what the market is for DBuc but I can imagine it's not good.
Reddick is not going anywhere. He was a high draft pick and they will hang on to him. His market value is very low.
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Post by itancanwa on Oct 11, 2018 7:06:14 GMT -7
Very good points knoby. Some I haven't even though about.
Sure they should have had a better idea for a head coach. But ! What good or up and coming head coach would have wanted to come to the Cards ? Most would have looked at this roster and saw the train wreck it was and is. Good way to ruin your coaching career. We had NO QB what so ever. Our WR were and still are some of the worst in football. Same for out TE. The offense needs almost a total rebuild. We have a rookie QB who in time I think will be good, and a star RB. Other than that we don't have a 1 player on offense who is close to pro bowl caliber. Most are average at best. With some being worse than that. Our WR and TE are close if not the bottom of the league. And this is a passing league !.
Our LBers are terrible. Doesn't matter if we are playing a 3-4 or a 4-3. There just not any good. Buck is no 4-3 LB. He needs the D line to keep him clean. Other wise he just get run over and swallowed up by guards and centers. Don't understand what's going on with the D line. We played a very loose version of a 3-4 last year. Most times we had to DT with their hands in the dirt and either Jones or the other DE with his hand in the dirt. Sometimes all 4 were down. The only major difference is the LB, and their responsibility. Also this defense is not a zone defense. It's bump and run man coverage with a little zone thrown in from time to time.
Carolina had one of the better defenses before Wilks too over as D coordinator. They actually regressed during the year he was in charge of the D.
We should have know BA didn't have long with the team. Hard to bring someone in as an understudy, and I wanted NO part of any of his coaching staff taking over. SK to me isn't a good GM. To many wasted high draft picks. To many reaches on players from small schools or players who have to change positions. To many times getting snookered by other GM's. For a 3rd round pick we could have had Mahomes. That would have put us 1 year ahead of schedule and might have allowed the Cards to get a better head coach. We would be 1 year further along instead of putting up with this train wreck. Not saying Rosen won't be a good QB. Just saying if we would have drafted Mahomes he would have had 1 year in pro ball. Farther along in his development. The guy was there for the taking. SK was snoozing.
This team needs a lot of infusion of new talent to be good again. Not sure SK is the GM to do that. So far he has shown he isn't. |
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Post by belac44 on Oct 11, 2018 7:33:02 GMT -7
You guys will get a kick out of this. I just read ESPN article about 10 trades that should happen. They had us sending.......get ready for this, its not a typo:
Deone Buchannon and a 2019 4th round pick to the Jets for a 2019 7th round pick. They claim that Buc’s high salary hinders us and we need to do a Osweiler type trade to move him. WTF would we do that? Just keep him and get the comp pick when he moves on via free agency. There isn’t anything we would do with that money this year.
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Post by CardCore on Oct 11, 2018 8:04:28 GMT -7
Man The Cardinals are a mess.. Like someone said in an earlier post. I had no idea Mike McCoy sucked this bad. I mean we all heard rumors about him being bad but good lord he is a awful OC. This just further proves that Wilks was just not ready to be a head coach. He literally picked the worst offensive coordinator possible. This coaching staff just reeks of Jeff Fisher..Mike McCoy might be the single reason Wilks never gets a head coaching offer again. Cards are starting to remind me of a ship with no rudder. Just kinda floating around out in the middle of the ocean whichever way the wind happens to blow that day. Was the last 7 or 8 years just an "experiment" with the 3-4 D? Was it decided that the 3-4 has issues and that it's just better to stick with a 4-3? Does this mean the team will now stick with a 4-3 and stay away from experimenting with a 3-4 in the future? Or does any new coach just have the say on what shall happen? I don't really care a lot which D the team uses, but for God's sake, please just pick one and then stick with it and make your new HC hires understand that will not be subject to his whims. |
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Post by Drachir on Oct 11, 2018 8:26:59 GMT -7
You guys will get a kick out of this. I just read ESPN article about 10 trades that should happen. They had us sending.......get ready for this, its not a typo: Deone Buchannon and a 2019 4th round pick to the Jets for a 2019 7th round pick. They claim that Buc’s high salary hinders us and we need to do a Osweiler type trade to move him. WTF would we do that? Just keep him and get the comp pick when he moves on via free agency. There isn’t anything we would do with that money this year. That would rank up there with a Hershel Walker/Ricky Williams trade. is as does and that would be the textbook definition of . |
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Post by Zaz on Oct 11, 2018 8:27:03 GMT -7
You guys will get a kick out of this. I just read ESPN article about 10 trades that should happen. They had us sending.......get ready for this, its not a typo: Deone Buchannon and a 2019 4th round pick to the Jets for a 2019 7th round pick. They claim that Buc’s high salary hinders us and we need to do a Osweiler type trade to move him. WTF would we do that? Just keep him and get the comp pick when he moves on via free agency. There isn’t anything we would do with that money this year. Huh? Pretty sure Bucc is in his last year. He can walk after this season. Why would we give up a 4th to acquire a 7th? |
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Post by belac44 on Oct 11, 2018 8:42:34 GMT -7
You guys will get a kick out of this. I just read ESPN article about 10 trades that should happen. They had us sending.......get ready for this, its not a typo: Deone Buchannon and a 2019 4th round pick to the Jets for a 2019 7th round pick. They claim that Buc’s high salary hinders us and we need to do a Osweiler type trade to move him. WTF would we do that? Just keep him and get the comp pick when he moves on via free agency. There isn’t anything we would do with that money this year. Huh? Pretty sure Bucc is in his last year. He can walk after this season. Why would we give up a 4th to acquire a 7th? Exactly, and ESPN pays this guy to write stuff like that. I questioned him on Twitter. Adam Schefter tweeted the guys article. He also had a team trading a pick they have already traded, so the guy didn’t do too much research. |
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Post by UKcardinal on Oct 11, 2018 10:19:17 GMT -7
That is up there with one of the most articles I have ever glanced over.
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